Protocols of Zion within the school plans of the palestenians

[pelsar]

yediot achronot (hebrew version-main israeli paper) april 11, 2005 pg 13

A simple translation: "the tenth graders within the PA will soon start learning about the protocols of zion as its in the school books"
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there is absolutly no excuse for this kind of sick antisemetic teaching. Its blows the whole idea of a peaceful coexistance out of the water, it clarifys that there is no difference between the jew, the zionist and the israeli, in terms of of the PA.

This is not some hamasnik kindergarten, nor is it from the islamic jihad....its the PA, the official representative of the palestenians.

Nor will any excuse such as, "they didnt know" wash, nor some psuedo semblance of nationalism or self identity (terrorists vs freedom fighters)...this is the most simplistic form of antisemetism... There is no room for it, no excuse for it no psudeo "balance" becuase the israelis do such and such".....its whats it is:
simple hate, designed to teach young minds to hate a specific group with whom they are supposed to one day live in peace with......

it really makes me wonder, seriously, what is being planned for us, if this is what they are teaching their next generation....

[Teaser]

1. Not antisemitism.

First of all, the Palestinians are "semites" themselves (it is a stupid terminology). They are possibly even closely related to the Jewish people (by way of the Samaritans). So the PA isn't anti-semitic. It may be anti-Jewish.

Secondly, why should we take charges about anti-semitism from someone who repeatedly fails to even spell the term correctly?

[WearyOne]

2. I get annoyed when people forget Palestinians are Semetic as well

[pelsar]

3. weary...

no....that doesnt work....anti-Semitism has a definitive meaning....its an irrational hatred of the jews...thats all.

playing with word definitions has little meaning in the real world, the world I live in where words and teaching can lead to violent actions.

[WearyOne]

13. I understand the context in which you use it but it's surprising

that the term anti-Semetic has been used by so many Jewish groups as well. I just think it's been used incorrectly too many times. 'anti-Jewish'..a horrible sentiment, is probably far more effective and properly descriptive.

[Coastie for Truth]

30. Oh crap

another vegimite eating Aussie.

[eyl]

32. That's the formal definition of the term

"antisemetism" is a term specifically coined to describe hatred of Jews. It does not apply to hatred of anyone belonging to a non-Jewish Semetic group.

[Coastie for Truth]

29. I get annoyed

when people claiming to be friggin progressive liberals and posting on progessive sites forget that Palestinians and Jews are both HUMAN BEINGS who metabolize and whose DNA replicates, yadayadayada.

[pelsar]

4. spelling...

i'm a pretty bad speller and dont always use the spell checker..but how is that relevant?

[Jdemsindiana]

8. Semanitcs and "Semites"

This is used all of the time cheap trick and im sure your not the first or the last in the DU world to use. And no it has nothing to do with samritans Semitic refers to languages spoken to in the middle east but it is narrowly defined in the West as Jews the word of coined by a Jew hating German and up until the 21st century when anyone was refering to Semites they were refering to Jews not to Arabs
who actually mostly supported the Nazis in world war two

[Teaser]

10. Read for content, chuckles.

I happen to know that the words "Samaria" and "semite" have nothing to do with one another. I never claimed otherwise. However, there is some evidence that today's Palestinians *may be* descendents of the Biblical Samaritans, in large part, with liberal amounts of Arab and other backgrounds mixed in. That was my point.

In the future, please read for content. I hate having to speak slowly and use small words like this.

[Jdemsindiana]

14. No evidence Pure BS

Only the PLO follows that line actually Samrtitans still do exist on the west bank about 7,000 of them near Nablus

[DemBoom]

17. Samaritans are Jews

Samaritans are Jews who were forced to leave israel (ethnic cleansing) to live in Samaria. They did however return to live among the Judeans.
Confusion was created with translations of the New Testament which talks about the "Good Samaritan" as if they weren't Jews.

[Jdemsindiana]

22. Wrong again

Samaritans broke away from Judaism They practice a very different religion

[DemBoom]

25. Not true

Samaritans never broke away from Judaism. That's like saying the Lubavishers broke away from Judaism because their practices are different from Sefardim. Living in the "west bank" the Samaritans often stay out of politics, otherwise their existence would be terminal living among their moslem brothers.
This mught help you out...Protestants broke away from Catholicism, but they're still Christians.
Samaritans practice "that old time reigion"
http://www.the-samaritans.com/

[eyl]

33. Not exactly

Samaritans are the descendents of Hebrews and of people deported to the region by the Assyrians (the Assyrians had a practice of relocating conquered populations to lower the inclination to revolt). While they have common practises with Judaism, they are not considered to be Jewish (certainly not by Jews), at least since the time of the Second Temple.

There's a considerable amount of mutual antagonism between Samaritans and Jews (doctrinal, not on a personal level) which is where the parable of the Good Samaritan comes from; the traveler was ignored by those who should have helped him, and was instead saved by a despised Samaritan (Isaac Asimov once suggested*, as a way to understand the deeper meaning of the parable, to imagine it happened in the Southern US in the early half of the previous century, and to substitute "white man" for "Jewish traveler", " priest" for " priest", "minister" for "Levi", and "black man" for "Samaritan")

*I may be misremembering the exact specifics, but this is the gist of it

[DemBoom]

36. Sunnis don't consider Shia or Druze to be Moslems-so what?

Some Chassids don't consider Conservative Jews to be Jews...so what?

"The samaritan religion is based on four principles of faith, which are the basic beliefs of followers of the religion. these four principles of faith are read by the samaritan at the beginning of every prayer and the are:
1. One God-The God of Israel;
2. One Prophet-Moses Ben Amram;
3. The Belief in The TORAH-the first five books of the bible.
4.One Holy Place-Mount Gerizim.
To these principles is added the belief in the day of Vengeance and Retribution- "THE END OF THE DAYS" when the "THAEB"-son of Joseph, a prophet like Moses (Messiah") will be revealed.

The samaritans celebrate the festivals laid down in the Torah:
PASSOVER;
PENTECOST;
THE SEVENTH MONTH (equivalent to the new year in the jewish tradition);
THE DAY OF ATONEMENT;
THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES
THE FESTIVAL OF SHEMINI ATZERET.

The leader of the community is the High priest. He is also the head of the priestly clan. The other three clans are from the house of Joseph, Tsedaka ,from the tribe of Menashe, Danfi and Marchiv from the tribe of Ephraim.

The samaritans observe the laws of purity and impurity, and Kashrut.
Circumcisions are performed on the eighth day after the sons birth.
All young boys and girls up on completing the reading of the Torah are called "Hatan Torah"- completers of the Torah ,but unlike the jews, this is not determined by age.
Ties between couples are in three stages: sanctification, engagement and marriage. "
http://www.the-samaritans.com/info.htm

[Colorado Blue]

19. Here are some links about what is actually being taught and

said, not just in schools but in universities. Also included are links about the TV series broadcast at least twice in Egypt, which dramatize the Elders of Zion.

The first link is dated April 13, 2005, and is from ADL. There is as another which is accompanied by videos in case you want to watch the speeches by Palestinian professors and religious leaders, many of which appear on official TV or in university lectures. This particular site has a great deal of information about Palestinian media and what is being taught.

http://web.israelinsider.com/views/5325.htm

Can Abbas tame the lion?
By Micah D. Halpern April 13, 2005

The official 10th grade Palestinian school curriculum teaches The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion. The edition used in the schools is published in Syria. The curriculum never mentions that the Protocols are a forgery of the Russian secret police created by the Czar in order to generate the notorious myth that the Jews control the world.

One must ask:
Why teach The Protocols if not to expose the work as a conspiracy theory of Antisemites? In any other context, what is the educational purpose behind teaching The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion to impressionable 10th graders given today's social and political climate?

In order to perpetuate the myth. We all know the answer. The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion has not been removed from the Palestinian school curriculum, the book has not been removed from school library shelves, only, ONLY, in order to perpetuate the myth!

The Palestinians continue to teach The Protocols because they are not yet committed to the reforms. And Mahmoud Abbas, as president, is the man responsible for re-educating or not re-educating his people, for implementing reforms or for letting them linger, ignored if not forgotten.

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http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part7.html
Palestinian Media Watch, accompanied by videos

A sample:

The Bible is "Lies" - Jews have no History in Israel
The Bible is said to be legends and lies while Israel is defined as a "parasitic worm" that lives in a snail’s shell after killing the snail. “We will not let anyone live in our shell” - "The invaders will be erased." This was taught by PA educational TV lecturer, Prof. Issam Sissalem, Islamic University in Gaza.


All of Israel is said to be "Palestine"
PA educational television teaches that all of Israel belongs to the Palestinians. In this example they teach that if "Palestine", which includes all of Israel, is not whole, it endangers the entire Arab world, because "Palestine" is the heart of the Arab world. The map to define used to portray "Palestine" encompasses all of Israel.

PA teaches Children: All Jewish History is Lies
Palestinians rewrite Jewish history teaching that Solomon’s Temple in Jerusalem is “the greatest lie in history by those liars.” The Prophets of the Hebrew Bible are said to have no connection to the Jews but to Islam. All of the Jews' connection to the Land of Israel is "lies". One example: Prof. Issam Sissalem, Islamic University, Gaza.

PA historian: Zionism founded on Protocol's of Zion
A PA historian explains that the Protocol's of the Elders of Zion is an authentic book introduced at the First Zionist Congress in 1897. The book, in fact, is the infamous Russian anti semitic forgery of "the Jewish plan to control and rule the world."


Israel will be Destroyed through Violence
Israel's destruction in war is often depicted symbolically in video clips on PA TV. Here a heart is dripping blood from the map of Israel. Arms with stones sprout from the land which leads to the flag of the PA covering all of Israel - symbolizing Israel's destruction.
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[Coastie for Truth]

28. That's what I would expect from my 6th grade grammar teacher

---do you walk around cracking knuckles with a yard stick, too?

But I still remember how to diagram sentences.

[Scurrilous]

5. You forgot the link. n/t

[pelsar]

6. no link...

just read in the newspaper...(the kind with ink on it) as I noted in the original post. (anyway it was in hebrew)

[Colorado Blue]

20. Please see these:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_I...

'Elders of Zion' airs
on Egyptian TV
Series based on fabrication about Jewish plot to control world

Egyptian TV has begun broadcasting a month-long television series based on the ''Protocols of the Elders of Zion,'' a fabricated document that depicts Zionism as part of a Jewish plot to rule the world.

There have been international appeals to keep the series off the airwaves, including criticism from the U.S. State Department. Officials there have told Egypt and other Arab governments that their state-run television stations should not air the series.

''We don't think government TV stations should be broadcasting programs that we consider racist and untrue,'' said State Department spokesman Richard Boucher.

snip

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/protocols/protocols_...

For the second consecutive year, Arab television featured a vicious anti-Semitic series that depicts stereotypical Jews hatching a plot for Jewish world control and domination. The program, Ash-Shatat ("The Diaspora") is a Syrian production and was aired in October and November 2003 by the Lebanon-based satellite television network Al-Manar, which is owned by the terrorist organization Hezbollah. Al-Manar is widely available to viewers across the Muslim and Arab world and around the world. The closing credits of the programs gives "special thanks" to various government ministries in Syria, including the security ministry, the culture ministry, the Damascus Police Command and the Department of Antiquities and Museums.

Timed to coincide with the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, the 30-part series purports to dramatize the "true history" of the rise of modern Zionism and the establishment of the State of Israel, and depicts historical figures, such as Theodor Herzl, Alfred Dreyfus and others.

In October - November 2002, Egyptian TV featured a similar 41-part series based on the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," Horseman Without a Horse, which also aired during Ramadan. At the time, the series was widely denounced by the United States, world leaders, ADL and others for its potential to incite and rationalize anti-Semitism across the Muslim and Arab world.

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[Jdemsindiana]

7. It worked for....

The Russian Secret Police under the Tsar

[pelsar]

9. strange reactions...

so far its "seems that the charges are dismissed because:

i spelled anti semitism wrong
the palestenians are semites as well.

does this translate to 'excusing the PA?"...I dont get it. teaching hate is teaching hate, what possible excuse can be found for it?

[Teaser]

11. No excuses.

It's wrong. But it's also pointless.

Who the fuck here doesn't know that the Palestinian Authority is a mess?
So's Israel. The whole region there is a mess. Condemning one side or the other is simply pointless. The Palestinian Authroity and the Israel government deserve one another.

[pelsar]

12. so its ok then.....

should we accept the killings in sudan? the ecological mess of oil drilling in alaska?..etc. Discussions create pressures which eventually can cause change.....but your reaction is something to the akin of:

well the israelis are bad too so therefore its ok to accept the palestenians teaching irrational hatred to their kids, (which can only keep the "mess" going on")

good rational, therefore lets not condem the palestenians since we cant find an equal sin on the other side.

[Teaser]

21. Good we agree.

I wholeheartedly agree that all killing is OK. I'm even in favor of more killing.

[idontwantaname]

15. hey pelsar...

i must admit im a bit confused by this post...

perhaps if you could post more in depth what was reported i could cross reference and see who is actually reading what.

at 10th grade level many topics are open for study... perhaps not all student are reading this paticular book... just those that attend the college in nablus...(its name seems to have slipped my mind)

[pelsar]

16. idontwananame....

it was a very short article.....not a whole lot of info actually, nor is it very specific. What pissses me off is that (assuming its true) that its via the PA. This kind of shit I expect out of the extremists groups, not the mainstream....and why it seems to be acceptable.......i really dont get it.

As you can tell, I really have no patience for unadulterated hate and prejudice that is taught to young minds-and find no excuse for a govt agency to be teaching such crap. (and i dont care if its croatian, tibetian, jewish, etc)

we learn enough about hate as we grow up....we dont need it to be spoon fed to us while were young

now that i think about it...when that crap is taught by jews/israelis I tend to go "ballistic" since its "hits home"...my "team" if you will.

[idontwantaname]

18. understandable...

actually i have found palestinian text books seem to be written for a western audience.

last i heard(6 months back) 12 year olds were studying english text books... (published by Macmillan)

assuming the worst is true it definitely hampers any sort of progress... however some many question whether military curfew, checkpoints, construction of the wall, and the like does the same.

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on a separate note i dont know if youve heard japan has altered its textbooks...


Gov't keeps tight grip on textbook descriptions of Iraq war

http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=news&cat=&id=333060

Tuesday, April 5, 2005 at 16:58 JST
TOKYO — The education ministry, in its latest screening of junior high
school textbooks announced Tuesday, appeared exceptionally strict on
descriptions of the war against Iraq, disapproving entries that said the
United States "unilaterally" attacked Iraq and that Japanese troops were
dispatched to an Iraq which is a "battlefield."

Regarding one social studies textbook entry that said the United States and
other countries "unilaterally attacked Iraq and overthrew the Saddam Hussein
government," the ministry told the publisher such a description may mislead
students. The word "unilateral" was dropped in the authorized version.

...

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=17&ItemID=7642

<snip>

The most contentious history text -- one of eight passed for use by Japan's Ministry of Education -- removes all references to the comfort women and atrocities such as the Nanjing massacre, and suggests that Korea invited the Japanese occupation a century ago.  A civics text claims jurisdiction over a clump of rocks called Takeshima (Korean: Tokdo) that was seized by Japan in 1905 but has been held by Korea since 1945.  "What nonsense is this," editorialized the normally mild Korea Herald, at a time when the islets have become the subject of intense Japan-Korea strife as a result of renewed Japanese claims to them.

Both texts were written by the Society for History Textbook Reform (Tsukurukai), a group of neo-nationalist academics that claims the current curriculum in Japanese schools leaves youngsters "confused and no longer proud of their nation."  As an Asahi newspaper editorial said last week, the Society wants to "emphasize the 'high points' of Japanese history and ignore the 'darker' aspects; Jeffrey Kingston calls them the "Dr. Feelgoods of Japanese history".

 ...

[Colorado Blue]

24. I heard about the Japanese texts, trying to clean up the war

a bit. Obviously the Chinese were upset.

This isn't right either. But neither does it begin to approach what is being taught, preached and broadcast concerning Israel and Jews in general, around the world.

You are concerned about the checkpoints and the wall. Can you not see, the words are connected on one end of the pipeline, to the bomb on the other?

This has been going on for DECADES. The "Protocols" were spread widely throughout the region, as soon as they were published.

Violence in the M.E., directed at Jews, long predates WWII but after the Nazi philosophy and the ripple effects of the Holocaust reached the M.E., it became doctrinaire. This was a new level of hatred layered on top of the old Islamic philosophy, which sees Jews as deliberately rejecting Allah and therefore, as dogs.

The attack on the new state of Israel itself was motivated at least as much by racial hatred as by any nationalistic fervor. The victory of Israel resulted in the terrorization and expulsion, over the next 20 years or so, of the entire Jewish community of the Middle East, ancient communities which had lived throughout the region for thousands of years.

[idontwantaname]

27. quick response... i gotta run but ill be back in a bit.

do you know when the first suicide bombing attack on israel was?

[eyl]

34. The first

suicide bombing was in 1994 (ignoring Lebanon). Bombings in general (and other types of attacks) had been going on for decades before that.

[Colorado Blue]

23. Please see Post #20. There is ample information there. If

you need more links, let me know.

There is a LOT out there, which a quick Google search will reveal.

Worse, this garbage is being spread throughout the world. It goes even beyond the Protocols, striking at the heart of Jewish history. Read Post #20 and let me know what you think. These cross-check, by the way, with other documents, they're not a figment of anybody's imagination.

The same verbiage appears in speeches from Iranian mullahs, from people all around the world who are interested in spreading hate and fear.

[idontwantaname]

26. The Siege with Bruce Willis...

theres garbage on both sides.

the most comical for me is a video game which the enemies are then.koreans(which the target audience often confuses for vietnamese)

off-topic... my favorite films to watch over and over are the indiana jones trilogy where harrison ford rights off the nazis... the last crusade being my favorite.

[Coastie for Truth]

31. THE OBFUSCATION AND CIRCUMLOCUTION BY THE PA APOLOGISTS

is getting kind of deep.

The "Protocols" are anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish, anti-Western, whatever. They were the dying gasp of a regime that was terminal. (Maybe the PA and Pan-Arabism and Petro-Politics are as morally bankrupt and politically terminal as the Czars?)

To hide behind eugenic theories and racial theories to attack Pelsar is pure and unadulterated bullcrap.

To teach the Protocols in high school is an admission that the PA is in the same terminal state that the House of Romanov was in.

[pelsar]

35. education vs experience

assuming the worst is true it definitely hampers any sort of progress... however some many question whether military curfew, checkpoints, construction of the wall, and the like does the same.

teaching hate is different from bad experiences and learning to hate (checkposts, curfews). A bad experience can be offset by a good one. Meeting "bad palestenians" bad israelis can be placed in to perspective when one meets others. Being taugh to hate, that the other is evil to the core is far more difficult to "shake off. Furthermore bad experiences are a result of the environment, something not in control, teaching hate to the young is the opposite, taking a controlled environment and taking advantage of it to instill hate......

no excuses for it whatsoever! Be it the Egyptians with the TV series on it, the Iranians with their Zahra's Blue eyes series etc. It is those things more than anything else that keeps the conflict going. Its those things that keeps me going back into the reserves.....

Absolutly incredible that it still exists-debasing a whole social/cultural group in the 21st century....it would be similar to me claiming blacks are inferior due to lower foreheads, and making a TV series about it....i wonder if I even could find actors to act in my movie let alone have it watched.

[undergroundrailroad]

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