Two Soldiers Back Up Commander´s Version

[drdon326]

The controversy over the killing a few days ago of a 13-year-old Arab girl - apparently a terrorist decoy - continues. IDF Chief Prosecutor Brig.-Gen. Avi Mandelblit has ordered an investigation into the case, following accusations by soldiers that their platoon commander fired a burst of bullets into the girl's already-dead body. However, two soldiers in the platoon have now come forward in their commander's defense.

One of the soldiers told Maariv,
For several weeks now, we have been in a state of high alert due to warnings of infiltration attempts. Only two weeks ago, three of our friends were killed in Morag. With death suddenly arriving at our doorstep, we were extremely tense. We knew the terrorists were coming, we just weren't sure when. On the day in question, we spotted a child just over 100 meters from our post. At first we thought she was a terrorist, not a girl; we were sure the moment had arrived, that which we had been talking about all along. We immediately knew what we had to do: to open fire. We all opened fire. After we fired, the platoon commander went out to make sure she was dead. He fired only two bullets at her from a relatively distant point, fearing she was wearing a bomb belt. He then headed back to the outpost, but suddenly turned around and fired a long burst. I saw where the body was, and in which direction he fired. It wasn't even close . He fired towards Rafiah, in response to a burst of fire...
The soldiers who turned to the media tried to frame him, because he was a tough commander and often handed out harsh punishments. The veteran soldiers were angry with him. I also was tempted to say he had done it, but that's not the way. It would be a despicable thing to do," the soldier said.

A second soldier in the platoon confirmed that the soldiers who accused their commander had ulterior motives.

IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Moshe Yaalon told the Cabinet this week that the girl had been dispatched by terrorists as a decoy in order to draw out soldiers and turn them into targets for terrorist snipers. Yaalon explained that the girl was in a closed military area. In addition, the girl reportedly threw a bag at them - a suspicious move, under the circumstances, even though the bag was later found to contain only schoolbooks and no explosives.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=70265

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[drdon326]

1. The Recruitment of Children in Current Palestinian Strategy

On March 30, 2002, a 16-year-old Palestinian girl named Ayat Akhras walked into a Jerusalem supermarket and detonated a bomb concealed under her clothing, killing two Israelis and wounding 22 others. On April 23, three teenagers - Anwar Hamduna, Yusef Zakut, and Abu Nada - from Gaza, attempted to crawl under the perimeter fence and attack the residents of the nearby Jewish community of Netzarim, only to be shot dead by guards. For over a month, Palestinian children as young as ten barricaded themselves in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, alongside Palestinian gunmen. In May, a 16-year-old Palestinian boy was arrested in a taxi near Jenin with a suicide bomb on his body. On June 13, 2002, a 15-year-old Palestinian girl, arrested for throwing a firebomb at IDF soldiers, admitted during interrogation that she had previously been recruited as a suicide terrorist. On July 9, 2002, Israeli security forces arrested another 15-year-old Palestinian girl who admitted to having agreed to carry out a suicide1 attack in Israel. These are some of the latest developments in the intifada, an unprecedented wave of ongoing attacks that has roiled the region for two years. From the outset, Palestinian children and teenagers have assumed an integral role.

Although some elements in Palestinian society oppose using children, or at least their children, in "martyrdom" operations, these voices remain isolated. Just as in previous violent episodes, many Palestinians misuse their children in various ways. Early in the current intifada, children acted as decoys, burning tires and shooting slingshots to attract the television cameras while making it harder for the world to identify the gunmen lying in ambush. Knowing that Israeli soldiers are ordered not to shoot live ammunition at children, Palestinian snipers hide among groups of youngsters, on rooftops or in alleys, often using kids as shields when aiming at exposed IDF soldiers. On some occasions, these gunmen apparently have inadvertently shot Palestinian children from behind. Recently, Abu Mazen, a senior Arafat aide who is the Secretary General of the PLO executive, criticized the tactics of terrorist organizations in Gaza. Abu Mazen told a Kuwaiti newspaper interviewer, "I am against little children going out to die. It is a terrible thing. At least 40 children in Rafah lost their arm from the throwing of Bangalore torpedoes . They received 5 shekels in order to throw them."2 Also, IDF soldiers who participated in the Defensive Shield operation reported that children were sometimes left behind to trigger booby-traps that terrorists set for troops.


http://www.jcpa.org/brief/brief2-8.htm

[Djinn]

2. can't even bring yourself to condemn this

instead you look for a right wnig site that is a constant apologist for the worst excesses of the Israeli government and military (like calling this dead child a "terrorist decoy" when they have ZERO evidence for that - next time Hamas blow up a bus, if they claim the people on it were IDF decoys would that make everyone OK with it)

Yet again you've cited a source that is VIRULENTLY right wing, loves George Bush, beleives Israel has a god given right to the land. It is utter trash and you know it.

Do you HONESTLY beleive the best way to deal with a suspected bomb is to fire at it - close range?? Is this like the really bad at their jobs, snipers who "accidently" shoot kids, or the tank that fired on a group of civilians but "didn't mean" to kill anyone...

[frylock]

3. you just never give up, do you?

still waiting for your retraction about the whole rocket being loaded into the UN ambulance bullshit.

[Violet_Crumble]

20. Don't hold yr breath...

If it's acknowledged that a mistake was made in rushing to accuse UNRWA before finding out even the most basic facts, then the terrorist supportin' UN allowing terrorists to use their jeep story can't be trotted out with wide-eyed gusto and bluster in a few months time when it may be hoped people might have forgotten the story was bullshit...

Violet...

[Scurrilous]

4. If the girl was a decoy....

...used to draw out Israeli soldiers for Palestinian snipers, why wasn't the IDF captain shot when he ventured out to confirm the kill?

[drdon326]

5. From the lead article.......

"After we fired, the platoon commander went out to make sure she was dead. He fired only two bullets at her from a relatively distant point, fearing she was wearing a bomb belt. He then headed back to the outpost, but suddenly turned around and fired a long burst. I saw where the body was, and in which direction he fired. It wasn't even close . He fired towards Rafiah, in response to a burst of fire..."

[Djinn]

10. the lead article is shite

post this from a somewhere that ISN'T contaminated by right wing vomit about Israel aving a "right' to the land and doesn't espouse Bush as the best person for the job of US Pres.

[Scurrilous]

17. I still don't get it........

...supposedly this dastardly plan was hatched by Palestinian snipers. They used this innocent school girl as bait to lure IDF soldiers from their outpost in order to gun them down. So when this platoon commander took the bait and emerged from his position to confirm the kill, these snipers let him stroll about for a bit before loosing a few ineffective bursts in his general direction, hitting noone. This is believable?

Only someone wanting to believe that Palestinians are horribly cruel and inept would buy this cock-and-bull story. It's nothing more than a demented canard peddled by the IDF in order to detract from the fact that a few of their soldiers cruelly gunned down a 13 year girl for the sin of strolling too close to one of their outposts.

[drdon326]

18. I think you might get it.......

"They used this innocent school girl as bait to lure IDF soldiers from their outpost in order to gun them down. So when this platoon commander took the bait and emerged from his position to confirm the kill, these snipers let him stroll about for a bit before loosing a few ineffective bursts in his general direction, hitting noone."

I dont know the facts but given the mind-numbing atrocities and
seemingly endless crimes against humanity by the palestinian terrorists .....

men
women with suicide belts
teenagers murdering innocent israelis
using baby carriages
using ambulances
hiding behind children
paying children
indoctrinating children

there really is no act thats beneath these jihadofascist murderers
thats out of the realm of possibilities.


Palestinians TERRORISTS are horribly cruel.


And it saddens me that one out of 2 palestinians supports their actions.

[Scurrilous]

22. Well...

...Maariv is now reporting that the platoon commander denies ever firing at this girl, thus contradicting the testimony of both his supporters and detractors.

http://www.maarivintl.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=article&articleID=11299

"During his interrogation, the platoon commander claimed he did not fire a burst at the girl."


Bottom line, the IDF has repeatedly used deadly force against Palestinians who stray too close to their person, fences, or outposts.

They've shot children collecting butterflies. They've shot the mentally ill. They've shot the deaf and dumb. The list goes on and on. Get too close to the IDF and your liable to be gunned down, irregardless of age or circumstance. Then they trot out the same lame excuses in order to reverse the blame.

There is no shortage of cruelty in this conflict by either side.

[lastknowngood]

6. No killing of a Arab is a problem from the point of view of the occupier

of their lands. Until every Arab is dead the Fascist will continue the slaughter. What lesson have the Jews taken from WWII?

[drdon326]

7. Not allow themselves to be exterminated ....

by people who wish them dead.

[Djinn]

11. funny that's how many Palestinians see it too

they know what "transfer" means

[Name removed]

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[Violet_Crumble]

21. Apparently so...

Let it be a warning to all teenage Palestinians who have the audacity to got to school wearing a school uniform and carrying a library bag! Carrying out these actions can result in being riddled in bullets...

I'll join you in the spitting, Aidoneus. Not much of what I read makes me want to vomit, but watching attempts to justify the murder of a child just because she's Palestinian makes me wonder if there's a belief in some quarters that leaving all shreds of basic human compassion at the doorway is a prerequisite to posting any 'pro-Israel' posts. Why is there a strange belief that to support Israel, one must justify acts of barbarity while displaying an incredible double standard by displaying what may appear to be pretty insincere and politically motivated outrage when it comes to the deaths of Israelis?

Violet...

[Matilda]

8. Makes a change from "caught in the crossfire".

n/t

[number6]

9. expletive deleted

more expletive deleted

[Comadreja]

13. When any IOF soldier protests

Even the most anti-Semitic (for the Palestinians are as much Semites as the Jews) should stop the Likudist circular tape playing in their head and take a moment's notice. This asswipe "officer" walked up to a dying girl (whose funeral we ARE NOT PERMITTED TO SHOW) and emptied a clip of bullets into her body. That is the way der Master Race treats subhumans. Shamefully, there are Xtian Zionists who would ignore this atrocity. Shame on you. Shame on all Likudist apologists. You are no better than Fascists.




“This has to stop. I think it is a good idea for us all to drop everything and devote our lives to making this stop. I don’t think it’s an extremist thing to do anymore. I really want to dance around to Pat Benatar and have boyfriends and make comics for my co-workers. But I also want this to stop. Disbelief and horror is what I feel. Disappointment. I am disappointed that this is the base reality of our world and that we, in fact, participate in it. This is not at all what I asked for when I came into this world. This is not at all what the people here asked for when they came into this world. This is not what they are asking for now. This is not the world you and Dad wanted me to come into when you decided to have me.”
- Rachel Corrie
in an email to her parents
before she was murdered
by an Israeli bulldozer operator

[Englander]

14. This is today's dose of malicious propaganda..

Samples from the website cited as source;

"How can I vote for Bush?"
"Keep Jerusalem unified,under Israeli control"
"Who are the real Nazis in America? The leftists"
"Was there ever a country called Palestine?"

Repugnant.

[tinnypriv]

15. An interesting exercise would be

Trying to think of a hypothetical case where an Arab was murdered and it couldn't be justified by you as being legitimate.

As an aside:

http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART/796/162.html

One of the most respected military correspondents in Israel, who writes that this incident of "riddling a girl's body with bullets" "proves that":

"After four years in the territories, the army is in need of collective psychotherapy"

In other article in the same paper, Yossi Sarid (Yachad) is quoted as saying that the myth of "purity of arms" is now "ridiculous", a Labor MK is quoted as saying that Moshe Ya'alon is encouraging killing with his ridiculous justifications etc.

This is the same paper that Arutz Sheva is quoting.

It might be worth you taking a look in the mirror.

[tinnypriv]

16. Oh yeah

And he rehearses all the "terrorists using women and children" arguments (agrees with them in fact) - and says that this incident shows that you shouldn't take statements on trust, but wait for the investigations, which should be carried out, because not all instances of firing are justified.

[Violet_Crumble]

19. That exercise is easy!

Since I arrived here in late 2002, I've not seen one single time where the murder of an Arab by the IDF hasn't been justified. The ONLY time wailing and fake concern will emerge is if a Palestinian is murdered by another Palestinian, as that opens a whole wide avenue of demonising the Palestinian people...

Violet...

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

24. Hey,did ya hear about that 13 year old girl who got shot?