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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:35 PM
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French woman admits she lied about anti-semitic attack: police
French woman admits she lied about anti-semitic attack: police



FRENCH WOMAN ADMITS SHE LIED ABOUT ANTI-SEMITIC ATTACK: POLICE

Received Tuesday, 13 July 2004 17:41:00 GMT
PARIS, July 13 (AFP) - A young French woman who claimed she had been the victim last week of a vicious anti-Semitic attack on a Paris suburban train admitted Tuesday that she had lied, police said.
The 23-year-old woman had initially told police that on Friday six youths had slashed her clothes, drawn swastikas on her stomach and flipped over her baby carriage with her 13-month-old child inside after mistaking her for a Jew.
On Tuesday, she first changed her story to say that she had been assaulted outside the train, but finally admitted that she had invented the entire incident.
The woman said she had drawn the swastikas on her own stomach with the help of her boyfriend, according to police.
The woman has been placed in preventive detention for "falsely reporting a crime", state prosecutor Xavier Salvat told AFP. Her boyfriend has also been detained, police said.

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Scairp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:38 PM
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1. Oh wow
What exactly was the point of this hoax? Attention? Money, possibly? And if they are both locked up, where is the kid? This terrible. The next time this really does happen, no one will believe the victim.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:43 PM
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4. You have to wonder ....
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:39 PM
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2. This sounded like a phony from the first time I read it. nt
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 03:41 PM
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6. Indeed.
Not the first either.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 01:39 PM
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3. huh
But she wasn't killed was she? Couldn't be serious. Just a prank. Robbery and mutilation and harming her baby are just fun stuff. Besides, she wasn't really Jewish anyway./sarcasm
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 04:25 PM
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7. Yeah
I'm sitting here waiting for the 'ooops' from the folks who used this article to validate the 'fence', and to generally dis anyone who questioned Israeli policies.

Me - taps finger on keyboard...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 04:32 PM
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8. I expect you'll be waiting a long time
Maybe some people will think twice about launching into pre-emptive sarcasm now that it's fallen flat on it's face.

But I doubt it.
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leftistagitator Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 03:01 PM
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5. This little prank of hers played into a lot of right wing propaganda
about how France is just like prewar Nazi Germany, how they all hate Jews and that a Jew is not safe living there. I hope she gets in trouble for this.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 04:33 PM
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-13-04 10:10 PM
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10. This is the kind of swill...
that encourages actions like this. Must make some here real proud.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 03:30 AM
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11. kick
:kick:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 05:33 AM
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12. A lot of the anti-French types and Islamophobes got a lot of mileage
from this story, just as they did when a French rabbi claimed that he was assaulted by Islamic youths in Paris, only to admit later that he fabricated the entire story.

Frenchwoman Fabricated Tale of Attack, Police Report
By ARIANE BERNARD

Published: July 14, 2004

PARIS, July 13 - A woman who provoked a national wellspring of outrage and sympathy when she reported being accosted at knifepoint in an anti-Semitic attack on a commuter train has confessed to making up the story, the police said Tuesday. Her report of the attack, after a sharp increase in anti-Semitic incidents around France, caused President Jacques Chirac to vow to do everything "to find the authors of this shameful act'' and led to fiery newspaper editorials and a call for a mass protest against anti-Semitism and racism, which was supposed to take place here on Monday.

But when the police could not verify her harrowing story, they brought her in for further questioning and, they said, she then confessed to the fabrication.

The woman, Marie Leblanc, 23, reported Friday that a group of six men attacked her on a suburban train north of Paris after they mistakenly identified her as a Jew. She said the attackers slashed her clothing with knives, lightly wounding her in the process, and drew three swastikas on her stomach with a marker. Before the group got off the train, she reported, the assailants overturned the stroller of her 13-month-old child, who fell to the ground.

But video surveillance cameras on the train platform where the attackers supposedly left the train did not record the presence of any group meeting their description, and their hot line received no calls for help, the police said. They also established that Ms. Leblanc has a history of filing complaints for assaults that were never confirmed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/14/international/europe/14fran.html
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 02:30 PM
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14. You mean kind of like
Jenin? or the Liberty?
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:30 PM
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32. no
;)
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cantwealljustgetalong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:41 PM
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33. touche Yang,...
and, the "mileage" gotten out of Jenin and Liberty probably far exceeds any "mileage" gotten out of whatever sense of alarm had arisen out of this story, (and for which, there are now attempts at accruing the return mileage), an alarm that seems justifiable, due to the 510 physical or verbal assaults registered against Jews in France in the first six months of 2004 and the 593 registered in 2003, all of which preceded the revelation that some loony woman was pretending to be a Jewish victim of neo-nazis, whose tale of an imaginary attack does not negate that France does have a problem...


A horrifying hypothesis...

...

For it seems to me that the real racial and religious problem in France, the real time-bomb quietly ticking away at the heart of 21st century French society, is not anti-semitism, but France's absolute failure, over the past 50-odd years, to properly integrate its Muslim community (estimated, and only estimated, at 5-6 million strong).

France has created a genuine racial underclass, disadvantaged and discriminated against daily in terms of housing, education and employment, living in those decaying, crime-ridden, immigrant-filled, out-of-town sink estates in which France has sadly come to specialise. And until France understands this, it will not able to address what lies behind its intensifying climate of anti-semitism.

...

Few French people, of course, and even fewer French politicians, are prepared to acknowledge this horrifying hypothesis. (Typically, one of the very few who has is the hyper-realistic young presidential hopeful Nicolas Sarkozy.) Unless and until they do, France's recent upsurge in anti-semitic violence looks like just the tip of a potentially disastrous iceberg.

It is, in secular France, a heretical notion indeed, that the grand founding ideals of the nation are now obstructing its progress, blinding it to its biggest problems, preventing it from addressing its most critical issues. But that is, I believe, the case. Anti-semitism is, to use a common French phrase, the tree that hides the forest.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,,1272128,00.html
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 12:19 PM
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13. Back to the top for a bit
favor for a friend,and all that.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 06:32 PM
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16. Wannabe Jewish victim drives France crazy
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/451240.html

<snip>

"France heaved a sigh of relief yesterday after a young woman admitted she had fabricated a tale about a gang of North African Muslims attacking her and her baby on a train after mistaking her for a Jew.

The stunning development took place yesterday afternoon during an intensive interrogation of the woman by police detectives. For three days, the French had swung on a pendulum of panic between whom to believe - the young woman with her horrifying tale of violence, anti-Semitism and civic indifference by other passengers on the train, or the police, who said they could not find any evidence to back up the woman's claim and noted that on at least six different occasions she claimed to have been the victim of violent attacks."

<snip>

"Five years ago, she completed a teachers' training course at the Rene Cassin school in Paris, planning to become a teacher. In recent years she has lived in the sprawling neighborhood of North African immigrants north of Paris where, to ease the overcrowding of the flood of "new immigrants" from North Africa, the state built densely populated high rises that suffocated the new tenants. In recent years, most of the attacks ascribed to anti-Semitism have taken place in this district, Seine-Saint-Denis.

One person who came forward was a woman who claimed to be a friend of Marie Leonie. But she was of no help to her friend. Speaking to Le Figaro, the "friend," who insisted on her anonymity, said "Marie tends to attribute to herself incidents that happen to others... She's jealous of people who are in the headlines, and when I saw the scale of this story, I realized she had gone too far." She said that a few days before the alleged attack, Marie Leonie had told her she was horrified by a report of how a young Jew had been assaulted by some North Africans just because he was a Jew. "I'm sure she stole the plot and dressed herself up in it," the woman told the newspaper."


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Blayde Starrfyre Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:33 PM
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17. No apologies forthcoming I assume
Anyone want to bet that no one who used this incident to justify francophobia and outlandish accusations of anti-Semitism will issue any kind of apology?

They don't care is it's true or not, the damage has been done. The "FRANCE HATES JEWS!" headlines were front page news, this will be a back-page correction.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:51 PM
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18. Outlandish ??
First, i resent that this person lied which affects real
victims of hate-crimes.

Second,

Antisemitism Worldwide 2002/3



antisemitic activity
The level of antisemitic violence remained high in 2002 as well as in 2003. According to CRIF, there were 517 incidents registered in 2002 and 503 in 2003. Despite the slight decrease in 2003, the number of violent attacks rose from 185 to 233, including 100 assaults on individuals compared to 75 in 2002, Moreover, 50 percent of all incidents in 2003 were directed against Jewish youngsters under the age of 18.

According to the National Consultative Commission on Human Rights (CNCDH), the French government’s human rights watchdog, there was a dramatic rise in antisemitic and anti-Muslim acts in France in 2002: over 300 reported instances of violence and 992 cases of abuse or threats. Two-thirds of these incidents (193 violent and 731 threats, graffiti and insults) were antisemitic, six times as many as in 2001.

Prior to the presidential elections of 5 April 2002, French government officials were reluctant to take firm action against the mainly Muslim perpetrators of antisemitic acts, other than condemning the more serious ones, probably for fear of losing the supposed Muslim/Arab vote. For example, President Jacques Chirac condemned an arson attack which entirely gutted a Marseille synagogue on 31 March 2002. However, Chirac added, he did not believe France was an antisemitic country. With the election of the new government, the new interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy took a more activist approach, inter alia, increasing security of Jewish institutions. As a result, there was a decrease in the number of attacks on Jews and Jewish institutions in the Paris area between April and December 2002. In February 2003, Minister of Education Luc Ferry announced new measures to deal with increasing antisemitism in schools and universities. In March the minister was asked by the government to prepare a plan to decrease the level of violent incidents directed against French schoolchildren in general due to their religious or cultural background. An inter-ministerial committee to counter antisemitism was set up by President Chirac on 17 November 2003.

Jewish schoolchildren were the target of a large number of attacks in 2002, a trend which continued into 2003. Several of the attacks in 2002 were directed against buses carrying Jewish schoolchildren, especially in the Paris area (see also ASW 2001/2). For example, on 10 April 2002 a group of Arab youths stoned a bus parked beside the Lubavitch Gan Menahem Jewish school in the 20th arrondissement of Paris, as pupils were beginning to board. One child was injured and some windows were broken. A month later, a 16-year-old Jewish youth was assaulted in Bordeaux by a group of eight Muslims who studied in the same school. The attack was accompanied by curses and threats. Although Jewish school buses were no longer targeted in 2003, a Jewish schoolgirl studying at the Longchamp School in Marseille was assaulted and verbally abused on 16 May by a group of ten Muslim girls from a nearby school. She was rescued by the principal and identified her attackers to the police. In March and April 2003 students at the Otsar HaTorah School in Toulouse were hounded as they traveled home from school on public transport by Arabs who called them “Dirty Jews.” In public schools, teachers who attempt to give lessons on the Holocaust, as well as Jewish pupils, are harassed in classes with a large proportion of Arabs/Muslims, who deny that Nazis killed Jews (see, for example, CRIF, “Anti-Semitism in France: An Assessment”).

Among the serious attacks on Jewish adults in 2002, a worshiper leaving a synagogue in the 19th arrondissement of Paris was hospitalized after he was attacked by a group of thugs with a sharp instrument in February, and a Jewish couple (identifiable because the man wore a kippa) required hospitalization after they were beaten in Villeurbanne, near Lyon, by six Muslims in March. In March 2003 two Jews were severely beaten, allegedly by Muslims who had taken part in a demonstration against the war on Iraq.

Arson, Molotov cocktail and other violent attacks on synagogues reached epidemic proportions in 2002 (see also ASW 2001/2). As noted above, a synagogue in Marseille was burned to the ground on 31 March. Additionally, synagogues in the Paris area, Strasbourg, Nice, Montpellier, Lyon and again in Marseille were targets of arson or Molotov cocktail attacks. The Maccabi Club house in Toulouse was also torched in April 2002, destroying everything in the building. The year was also marked by stone throwing and vandalism (including graffiti) of Jewish property (synagogues, cemeteries, schools, private property). In 2003 arson attacks damaged synagogues in Saint Mandé and Cachan. “Palestine will win,” was scrawled on a wall of the latter synagogue. Further, an arson attack gutted the Merkaz HaTorah Jewish secondary school in Gagny, a suburb of Paris, on 15 November 2003, a Sabbath, so no pupils were present.

http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2002-3/france.htm





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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 02:41 PM
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30. Unfortunately
It seems few have taken the time to read your well appropriate response, Don. They have continued with their unabated derision of anyone posting about anti-Semitic incidents in France as though the "one or two" that were reported turned out out be false.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:39 PM
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19. That would be...
a definitive no.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 10:14 AM
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21. In my case, an emphatic FUCK no.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 01:04 PM
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22. That's ok Jim
I dont recall you being one of the ones who over reacted.Though I will say that one side being unable to admit they assumed the worst and launched into unfounded attacks on France makes it all the more difficult for the other side to be honest in cases like Jenin etc.

Both sides are guilty of doing this,and both sides will hopefully take this as a lesson to not jump to the worst possible conclusion so fast.

Can we agree on that at least?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:48 PM
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23. Better would be not to paint an entire people with the
failings of a few ...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 03:08 PM
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25. Something both sides need to keep in my mind
I see it on both sides,sadly.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 03:27 PM
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26. Indeed. nt
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 06:35 PM
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27. That's right. Although I am no huge fan of the French govenment, I
don't recall being in the forefront of French-bashers.
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 02:25 PM
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29. FYI
I was away from my computer for a week and unable to answer your outlandish charges. Hope your apologies are forthcoming, but I rather doubt it.

In fact, I was in Paris on July 15, and I'm not going to justify francophobia because I have none. I adore France. I was there for Bastille day celebrations.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:45 PM
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Jackie97 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 03:02 PM
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24. Why would somebody do that?
What's the motive?

Is it possible that she's taking back her story after receiving threats from her attackers?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 01:18 PM
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28. Follow up:
Interesting headline, too.

CERGY-PONTOISE, France (Reuters) - A French court
handed a four-month suspended jail sentence Monday to a
woman who pretended she was the victim of an anti-Semitic
attack in which swastikas were daubed on her stomach.

Marie-Leonie Leblanc, 23, said six knife-wielding youths of
Arab and African origin attacked her on a Paris train July 9
because they thought she was Jewish. She said they chopped
off some of her hair and toppled a stroller carrying her
13-month-old baby.

---

Asked by a civil party's lawyer why she had blamed the invented attack on youths of Arab or
African origin, Leblanc said: "When I watch TV, they're always the ones who get blamed."


---

Police said she had previously reported imaginary attacks on herself and a psychiatrist who
examined her earlier this month said she had a very strong need to be acknowledged "no matter
what the price."

Reuters
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 05:38 AM
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31. Good follow up
:thumbsup:
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