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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 12:38 AM
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Israel proposes payment for homes razed in Gaza Strip
Israel intends to offer compensation to the owners of hundreds of homes along the Philadelphi route, on the border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt, if the buildings are damaged in the framework of the Israel Defense Forces' operation to broaden the road. The IDF operation is aimed at increasing security and preventing the smuggling of weapons and other military material into the Strip through tunnels from Sinai.


The proposal, which also includes compensation for homes that were not populated, was raised during talks between IDF officers and Attorney General Menachem Mazuz about the legal repercussions of the Philadelphi expansion plan.

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The discussion over the compensation did not detail the sums involved, but it was understood that the owner of the razed homes would be offered enough to rebuild their residences elsewhere.

There still remain administrative complications with the compensation proposal because it is doubtful that the Palestinian Authority will allow Palestinians to negotiate directly with the Israeli authorities.

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More of interest..

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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 12:46 AM
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1. ROTFL!
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 12:46 AM
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2. Yeah right....
Compensation my ass....or better yet, when little pink pigs with blue polka dots and wings come flying out of my ass and perform the minute waltz in mid-air...

I wouldn't trust this line of BS at all, more likely those applying for aid will get charged for gas and ammo to cover the costs of having their homes destroyed.
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:01 AM
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3. Haven't you heard?
USAID has already covered gas and ammo.

Egypt sill also appose compensation, so it's an uphill battle that you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Poor people. They'll loose out again.

Maybe Arafat will come to the rescue and offer compensation If only they will donate their children for suicide bomber duty.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:05 AM
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 04:47 AM
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5. Egypt opposes Israel compensating the homeless??
Or do you mean to say that Egypt quite rightly opposes Egypt paying compensation for the homes destroyed by the IDF? It seems pretty clear-cut to me. Israel has destroyed those homes and made all those people homeless. The least Israel could do is give them compensation for their losses, but it'll be a cold day in hell before any of us see that happen...

Violet...
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:13 PM
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14. What is said here
has to do with homes that have been proposed for demolition, not buildings that were already demolished.

Also, it clearly says in the article:

The plan to compensate Palestinians is also not expected to find great support in Egypt, which will interpret the act as an entrenchment of Israel's hold of the road along its border with the Gaza Strip.

On the other hand, the proposal is a significant change from the unilateral approach that the IDF has maintained during its operations in the Gaza Strip.

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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 05:13 AM
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15. What a joke...
How's this for a novel and humanitarian idea? If Israel can refrain from destroying more homes then they don't have to bother with coming up with weak offers of compensation. If they were serious about compensation, they'd be paying all those people whose homes they've already destroyed...

Violet...
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 05:23 AM
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16. I guess that will happen
the day the Palestinians compensate Israel for all the buses blown apart, the cafes wrecked and the bat mitzva hall destroyed, the Passover party ruined, and bus terminals wrecked, not to mention the human human toll.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 05:30 AM
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17. What's that got to do with it?
Or are you now blaming those homeless Palestinians for those attacks? Is there some problem with believing that charging those responsible (including Sharon and Arafat) with war-crimes is the way to deal with things, rather than supporting the continued suffering of those made homeless until that time? Those people deserve to be fully compensated now for the loss of their homes...

Violet...
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:17 PM
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18. Just as Israelis do
anyway, Arafat wouldn't let compensation be pain directly to his peasants. He controls all the coffers.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-25-04 05:15 AM
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19. Dragging out the big boogeyman excuse doesn't work...
Edited on Tue May-25-04 05:17 AM by Violet_Crumble
The UAE are going to rebuild a few hundred homes that Israel destroyed. How exactly is the big, powerful boogeyman, Arafat, stopping that? Compensation couldn't be dispersed through humanitarian aid agencies? Let me guess. Arafat controls them as well? Boy, this guy is portrayed as having so much control that I'm shocked that he lets Israel continue its occupation of the West Bank and Gaza! It's way more likely that the reason that Israel doesn't pay compensation for the homes it destroys is that Israel doesn't think it has any obligation to do so, just the same as it feels it doesn't have any obligation to abide by international law...

Violet...

p.s. No biggie, but did you mean to type 'paid' instead of 'pain'? I know what yr like about typos and all ;)

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dudeness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 05:16 AM
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6. wow...
n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 05:21 AM
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7. not much more one can say,is there?
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:28 AM
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9. LOL...

Wouldn't surprise me.

He has encouraged children to carry out murder, why shouldnt
he use this as an opportunity to increase his death-delivering
kids.

(hell, his best kids dont seem to have a long employment history)

...............................................................

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=17080

Arafat devoted his remarks to encouraging the children to be
"shahid" (die for the cause), noting that one shahid who dies for the sake of Jerusalem has the power equal to 40 of the enemy dying.

Yaari noted that Arafat said nothing in his remarks about peace or
reconciliation.





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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:35 AM
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10. Jihad doesn't imply suicide bombing necessarily
Edited on Sun May-23-04 07:37 AM by Classical_Liberal
That was debunked a while ago. Why should he want reconciliation and peace with a country that will only be at peace with him when he and his people are tranfered to Jordan? He told the children they should be willing to die for their country, as if that is unusual for National Leaders.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:49 AM
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11. Pul-eeze.
Believe whatever you want.

Arafat thru speeches and pa tv exhorts kids to murder.

Gee, I wonder why 12 year olds are now delivering bombs??

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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:53 AM
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12. Where did he exort children to murder?
He said they should be willing martyrs(doesn't imply murder) and go on Jihad(doesn't necessarily imply murder). You're just engaging in mind reading with a prejudiced eye.
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drdon326 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 08:05 AM
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13. Incitement by Arafat and his Palestinian Authority
Thanks to their empowerment under the Oslo peace process, the Palestinian Authority has new and varied vehicles to motivate their youth to participate in anti-Israeli street violence. Television and radio stations, school textbooks, a range of newspapers and magazines, and even the summer camp curriculum are all, directly or indirectly, under the control of the PA.

Television broadcasts frequently include what in many Western countries would be deemed "hate speech." On July 2, 1998, in derogation of its commitments to combat incitement under the interim peace agreements (discussed below), a Palestinian television children's show called "The Children's Club," similar in its basic structure to "Sesame Street," aired an episode in which young boys with raised arms chanted "We are ready with our guns; revolution until victory; revolution until victory."35 On the same show, an 8-year-old boy announced to the audience (a group of children), "I come here to say that we will throw them to the quiet sea. Occupiers, your day is near, then we will settle our account. We will settle our claims with stones and bullets."36 Also on the Children's Club program, on February 8, 1998, a girl who could not have been more than ten years old declared that she wanted to "turn into a suicide warrior" in Jerusalem.37

During the past month, the Palestinian electronic media has run near-continuous coverage of riots and funerals. The standard fare on the Voice of Palestine radio station is for programs to open with details of martyrs' deaths and burials sandwiched between patriotic and Islamic songs with martial melodies. A particularly popular song on Voice of Palestine, which is broadcast on television as well, features a father singing about his son as a martyr -- the son being Mohammed Al-Dura mentioned above.38

The official media broadcast the sermon of the PA-appointed cleric at the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem who called for his followers to "eradicate the Jews from Palestine."39 Also aired was a live sermon by Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, a member of the PA-appointed Fatwa Council and former acting Rector of the Islamic University in Gaza, who called for Israelis to be humiliated, tortured, and butchered.40 He continued: "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Americans who are like them -- and those that stand by them."41

Indicative of the official support the Palestinian Authority is giving to the utilization of children in the struggle against Israel are the words of the PA-appointed Mufti of Jerusalem, Sheik 'Ikrimi Sabri, in an October 28 interview with the Egyptian weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi:

Question: What do you feel when you pray ?
Sabri: I feel the martyr is lucky because the angels usher him to his wedding in heaven....
Question: Is it different when the martyr is a child?
Sabri: Yes, it is. It's hard to express it in words. There is no doubt that a child suggests that the new generation will carry on the mission with determination. The younger the martyr -- the greater and the more I respect him....
Question: Is this why the mothers cry with joy when they hear about their sons' death?
Sabri: They willingly sacrifice their offspring for the sake of freedom. It is a great display of the power of belief. The mother is participating in the great reward of the Jihad to liberate Al-Aqsa.42

Other Palestinian institutions are also imbued with incitement. A New York Times reporter observed a PA-run summer camp program where the 25,000 campers stage the kidnapping of Israeli leaders, strip and assemble Kalachnikov assault rifles, and learn the art of ambushing.43 They are given camouflage uniforms and imitation guns.44 They parade and practice infiltration, crawling on their stomachs through obstacles. Training children for the armed struggle reminds one of the terrible price children have paid in other Middle Eastern wars. During the Iran-Iraq war, the Iranian government recruited tens of thousands of child soldiers, dubbed "Revolutionary Guards."45 Sent to the front to clear minefields and attack fortified Iraqi positions, these usually unarmed children faced near certain death.46 They were told that the little plastic key around their neck would open the gates to eternal paradise.

Even in the public schools, politics seem to be playing a major role in education. For example, the PA's Deputy Minister of Education, Naim Abu Humus, called on school administrators to dedicate the first class for praying for the souls of those killed during the Al-Aqsa intifada, saying "Today we glorify Al-Aqsa and Palestine, and remember the Palestinian martyrs."47

President Clinton, in a speech in late 1998, referred to "education for peace" as "the most important element" to make peace "sustainable."48 But Palestinian interest in reconciliation with Israel is notably absent from the Palestinian textbooks, even in the indigenous Palestinian textbooks, which this year partially replaced the old Jordanian textbooks previously used in their public schools. A sixth grade civics book portrays Israel as an aggressor and explains to the children that, "he Palestinian people were expelled from their land as a result of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and have been subjected to massacres and banishment from their land."49 The map in the book makes no reference to the existence of Israel adjoining the PA territories; nor does it include major Israeli cities such as Tel Aviv.50 In fact, the only Israeli cities referenced are ones which previously had large Palestinian populations.51

The message from the top, from PA Chairman Arafat, is unequivocal. Arafat ruthlessly encourages the involvement of Palestinian children in violence, referring to them as "the generals of the rocks"52 and boasting after the IDF attack on Fatah offices, " cannot shake one eyelash of a Palestinian child holding a stone to defend holy Jerusalem."53 Arafat plays to their pride; he would have them believe they are "generals" and heroes when they are really cannon-fodder in the media campaign to discredit Israel. As a (London) Times reporter aptly described:

But can Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat control the children?...Since birth, Palestinian children have been pumped full of religious fundamentalism which promises paradise for those who die for the cause of free Palestine....Approving or not, the Palestinian authorities have done nothing to stop children playing with their lives. Let's face it, dead kids make great telly.54

These examples of incitement may explain why a 13-year-old girl from Egypt tried to sneak into Gaza in order to "join the Palestinian children in anything, even throwing stones." The girl's father, Gamel Mabrouk, explains, "his was over-enthusiasm in response to what they have seen on television." A week earlier, a 12-year-old boy was stopped at the Israeli border after attempting the same thing.

A Palestinian mental health official confirmed that Palestinian children are chiefly motivated by what they see on Palestinian television: "the role of information is an additional factor behind the will of children to die the death of a saint, for they see on television their relatives as martyrs or wounded and hear the calls of praise that they receive."55 Clearly, PA government-controlled media play a significant role in both the long-term and immediate motivation of children to place themselves in life-threatening situations.

http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp441.htm

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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:20 AM
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8. Why not simply avoid destroying them in the first place? n/t
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