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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 03:29 AM
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One-state awakening
But these chapters contain only a few vague hints of the heretical conclusion - for a life-long, traditional Zionist, that is - that Gavron has reached and which he presents to his unsuspecting readers in the book's eighth and final chapter: After 55 years of Jewish sovereignty, the time has come to dissolve the Jewish state and establish, in its place, a single Israeli-Palestinian state.

"Having reached the conclusion that the territory between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River must be shared, but cannot be sensibly partitioned," he writes in his book, "we are left with only one alternative: Israeli-Palestinian coexistence in one nation."


The only solution, to his mind, that could preserve the Jewish state - partition into two states, Israel and Palestine - is no longer tenable. The massive settlement construction in the West Bank has sealed its fate. If Israeli Jews now wish to secure their long-term future in the region, he explains, they must agree to abdicate Jewish sovereignty and move swiftly, while the balance of power still tilts in their favor, to a multiethnic democracy.

The absence of governmental steadfastness in the face of the settlers' ideological tenacity, along with the left's lack of clarity, have added to Gavron's conviction that the land is no longer divisible. "I do not see any government emerging that would withdraw more than a very minimal number of settlements," he says. "We haven't even managed to get rid of Netzarim, for God's sake. I just don't see any elected Israeli government having sufficient determination and sufficient clarity of vision to carry out the redivision of Palestine, Israel, the Land of Israel, whatever you want to call it. Friends of mine sometimes say the Americans will force us into it. They won't. They're not forcing us into anything ... In a way, I'm saying the settlers have won. That is profoundly sad. But they have."

The penalty for succumbing to the settlers' single-minded pursuit of Greater Israel, Gavron writes, is the dissolution of the Jewish state. "Many Israelis, and other Jews, will argue that historic justice demands a Jewish state. They will insist that, particularly after centuries of horrendous Jewish suffering culminating in the Holocaust, there should be one place on Earth where the Jews can exercise their natural right to sovereignty. They are absolutely right, but, unfortunately, given the choice between sovereignty and land, we chose land. We have manifestly preferred settlement in the whole Land of Israel to a state of Israel in part of the land. It is irrelevant that the settlers are a small minority. The rest of us have permitted them to do what they wanted."....

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=370673
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 03:34 AM
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1. The one-state solution is a blueprint for genocide.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 03:37 AM
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2. Why because you say so?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 03:41 AM
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3. A little birdie told me.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:08 AM
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4. well...Duh!

I don't subscribe to quite the same line of reasoning or, for that matter, a good number of the presumptions that these fellows are evidently having a tough time getting their mind around. But the ultimately-one-state conclusion is really the logical end of most realistic ways of thinking about the problem.

The real problem (in this piece as in just about all others) is the conventional Israeli assumption that Palestinians are irrevocably Muslims. Sure, if badly treated that will be the case. Sure, if the State of Israel is inseparable from a defensive, reactionary, unenlightened, inflexible formulation of Judaism. Sure, if Israeli society needs some Other to fight in order not to disintegrate. But if not- well, one could see a pluralistic but fairly unified state and society that is Jewish in its values, perhaps more so in substance than the present incarnation, a few generations off.


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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:26 AM
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5. I think the genocide scare tactics are guilt trips actually
The Afrikanners also predicted such a thing if anyone ever got one man one vote.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:54 AM
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7. it's a bit like End Times thinking in this country

Israeli society is becoming a fully Middle Eastern one and purging Diaspora-derived maladaptive elements is a massive task that is incredibly divisive. Americans are somewhere in the process of shedding their Europeanish maladaptions, the schisms that's causing fill this board with news and arguments....

Oh, the defeat and extinction is very real- for a set of beliefs and ego pegged to those beliefs. Inflating that to be just about as bad -and conjoined with- physical extinction is somehow always done. Well, in a sense society-wide beliefs, e.g. racisms and paranoias, die out with particular generations, so there is a tenuous indirect connection.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:33 AM
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6. thank you for posting this, classic liberal
it is the only peaceful solution.
it's the only democratic solution.

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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:59 AM
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8. Like the subject I would actually be happier with two states
Edited on Tue May-04-04 05:00 AM by Classical_Liberal
but I just don't see how it will happen. The demographics of Israeli society make it impossible. The demographics of American society make it impossible to apply pressure. The only hope I can see is in perhaps and EU Asian boycott.
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