Slain Israeli Arab's father begs for sanity in PA

[drdon326]

The father of George Khoury, the Israeli Arab student who was gunned down while jogging in French Hill last month, on Sunday appealed to the Palestinian Authority and Muslim religious leaders to stop the campaign of incitement and to work towards restoring law and order.

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"We had no doubt that the background for this was the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. What is very painful for me here is the clear-cut evidence that there is a state of complete anarchy, disorder and chaos, in addition to the loss of values and people taking the law into their own hands in order to serve, as it were, the Palestinian cause, or supposedly God's interests."
He called on Palestinians to put an end to the anarchy and start educating their children for peace. "They cannot allow this situation to continue and get out of hand."

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"My message first of all to the religious leaders, the Palestinian leadership, Palestinian society, and to all the enlightened who still value human life in Palestinian society is that they must all rise, gather their courage and say 'Enough is enough.'"

Khoury called for an end to incitement by the Palestinian Authority. "We must begin educating our children and these young people about the right path which has respect for human life. We must teach them how a political culture should exist and how law and order should be observed and maintained," he said.

"These people are committing crimes and damaging Palestinian interests and the religion which they claim to represent or to serve. We need Islamic leaders who will rise and say these things in a loud and clear voice. By staying silent, they only damage Islam and Palestinian society."

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Obviously a right-wing sharon-sucking likudist who hates palestinians
(/sarcasm)

more intelligence from this great man thankfully here.

[drdon326]

1. Question.

When he says....

"These people are committing crimes and damaging Palestinian interests and the religion which they claim to represent or to serve."

Who are "these people" he refering to ?:

A. the "Palestinian Authority"
B. the terrorists
C. the "palestinian society"
D. "islamic leaders"
E. all the above

[Proudlib]

2. A Conversation I'd Like To See

I'd like to see a conversation between this brave Israeli Arab who is there and knows far more about the reality of the PA, and those here sitting in front of their computers claim to know the reason for violence-which is to say everything and anything is always Israel's fault.

What would they say to him? Would they say that although he lives there and has first hand knowledge of the actions of the PA and how it promotes senseless violence that he's full of hot air?

The response, if it comes at all, from the "it's all Israel's fault" crowd should be interesting...either that or utterly predictible.

[Name removed]

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[Muddleoftheroad]

6. Despite the abusive response

You need to read more closely. The first line of the post made it clear that this was a "brave Israeli Arab who is there and knows far more about the reality of the PA."

You might not like what this guy knows, but he is on the scene. And yes, I dare say several of us, including myself, have been to Israel and some live there now.

You criticize the poster, yet the post clearly deferred to the Israeli Arab who is on the scene.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

7. Deference??? Are you kidding?

"I'd like to see a conversation between this brave Israeli Arab who is there and knows far more about the reality of the PA, and those here sitting in front of their computers claim to know the reason for violence-which is to say everything and anything is always Israel's fault."

He CLEARLY took a shot at all the Pro-Palestinian DUers here, claiming we have no idea what we're talking about. He was not "deferring" to anyone.

Further, why is it that we should listen to this one Israeli? Why is HIS word law? Why can't we listen to Sharon instead? Or maybe we should listen to Arafat? Those two guys both live there, and by the original poster's logic, that makes them the end-all, be-all authorities on the issue. Perhaps we should take a look at Rachel Corrie. She herself died in the violence after all - she should know what it's like there. Or maybe we should ask the parents of the 4 year old Palestinian girl who died of tear gas inhalation last night? Or maybe the parents of the 7 year old girl who was shot by the IDF for rock throwing yesterday? Maybe THEY are the authorities on the issue.

Or maybe you shouldn't just grasp at straws for any ridiculous rhetorical article that you think proves your point.

[Muddleoftheroad]

8. I guess you don't like his message

"My message first of all to the religious leaders, the Palestinian leadership, Palestinian society, and to all the enlightened who still value human life in Palestinian society is that they must all rise, gather their courage and say 'Enough is enough.'"

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

10. I don't care about his message

He is one person out of millions. He is not the only person who has lost a loved one. Israelis and Palestinians alike have been making the same sort of appeal to the Israeli government for years. Do you like THEIR message? Do you care about THEIR message?

http://www.petitiononline.com/JvO1/
Are these 1,600+ Jewish people who signed the petition any less relevant?

http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/intro.html

Are the people of Gush Shalom any less relevant? They are Jewish Israelis who think Israel is wrong in their occupation. Do you care about THEIR message?

http://www.icahd.org/eng/
Is the Israeli Committee Against Home Destruction any less valid? They are Israelis who obviously live there and they have a message too.

http://www.btselem.org
Are the former Members of the Israeli Knesset a voice any less worthy of listening to??

Or maybe one person's opinion is just that - his opinion. It's no more or less valid than anyone else's.

[Muddleoftheroad]

11. Like I said

You don't like his message. You can't deny he has a unique perspective. And gee, he actually calls for the Palestinians to stop killing.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

12. I call for BOTH sides to stop killing

But I still don't understand why you like HIS message more than those of the organizations I've listed. They have unique opinions too. Or do you just hate them because they don't support your point of view?

I feel bad for this guy though. He has clearly lost a lot due to the ongoing violence. But his opinion is still just his opinion and that's the entire point. You guys are the ones deifying the opinion for some unknown reason.

[Muddleoftheroad]

13. I like what he had to say

Khoury called for an end to incitement by the Palestinian Authority. "We must begin educating our children and these young people about the right path which has respect for human life. We must teach them how a political culture should exist and how law and order should be observed and maintained," he said.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

14. Well I, along with the aforementioned organizations,

call for an end of the incitement by the Israeli government and the IDF. What's your point?

[Muddleoftheroad]

15. The Palestinians consider the existence of Israel to be incitement

What's your point?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

16. My point all along is that

Neither you, nor this guy, have a point. You have opinions. They may or may not be wrong. They may or may not be shared. Either way, it's nothing that you should deify or take as law, and yet this is exactly what you've done.

[Muddleoftheroad]

17. Your opinion is that you have no point?

You mix the words to mean what YOU wish.

I think the guy did have both a unique perspective and good ideas. Unlike many folks in the same situation, he didn't call for blood vengeance. He didn't go and kill those who committed the crime, which certainly would have been understandable.

He called for peace.

[Darranar]

19. So you know what "the Palestinians" think? n/t

[drdon326]

20. It appears Elias Khoury knows....

EXACTLY what the palestinians think.

[Djinn]

23. I didn't see what the deleted post said

so I've no idea whether it was OTT or not but I resent the implication that only the (for want of a better phrase) anti-Palestinian posters in this forum could possibly no what they are talking about or are the only people "on the scene"

[Djinn]

3. forgive me for being sceptical

about your concern for Arabs in the middle east, that whole "aroused" thing left me in doubt of your altruism where Arabs aer concerned.

PS Waiting for deletion

[drdon326]

4. **yawn**

I suspect you're in a state of shock, as I am ,that the
often talked about "Palestinian Moderate" is still in
existance....thankfully.

Gives me great hope for the future.

[Djinn]

22. Not shock at moderate palestinians

I've spent time living with some so no that doesn't surprise me at all.

I am and always will be in a state of shock at how anyone can claim to be aroused at the thought of anyone's death and then claim OTHER people are prejudiced.

Doesn't give me a lot of hope for the future

As for "appears Elias Khoury knows.... EXACTLY what the palestinians think." you KNOW that's patently ridiculous - this one man can no more make a judgement on what ALL Palestinians think than you can on what ALL Jews think

[drdon326]

24. So lets deal with the thread.....

what do you think of the statements of Elias Khoury??

[Djinn]

26. I think he's correct

the situation is absolute chaos - what else could it be????

[drdon326]

9. Apparently this is not Elias Khoury's first taste of terrorism.

"His father, Daoud Khoury, was killed, together with 12 others, in 1975, when a booby-trapped refrigerator placed by Fatah exploded on Jaffa Road in the capital.

The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades issued a statement saying that the killing of Khoury was a case of "mistaken identity," and that they thought Khoury was a settler. The statement also said that from the point of view of the organization, Khoury was a shahid (martyr)."

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/001252.php

[drdon326]

18. First his father....then his son....

both killed by terrorists.

Unbelieveable.

[Name removed]

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[Djinn]

27. any idea how many

Palestinian women have buried fathers, husbands AND son's killed by the IDF?

[newyorican]

25. more from Elias Khoury...

"The real struggle against Zionism starts with the struggle against the concept of racism, and with holding the criminal responsible for his crime and not allowing him to commit another crime in the name of repentance for the first one."

and

"Because the Israeli ambassador, who represents a state that occupies, besieges and confiscates lands, and who murders little children, is the last person who has the right to salute a group of intellectuals who issued a statement in defense of Justice, aiming to resist racist tendencies that threaten the Arab society in its soul and its culture, through pushing it to imitate the racism and confessionalism of Israel."

and

"I don't know how the ambassador of a state who uses medieval siege methods in Ramallah in order to suffocate an unarmed people, who doesn't ask for more than its independence and the retreat of the colonialist flocks who are obsessed with religious mythology and the hunger for somebody else's land, I don't know how this ambassador dares to speak of the coming reconciliation between the executioner and the victim. Israel is not a lamb, and it has no right to speak in the name of the victims. This must stop. Israel is the embodiment of racial discrimination, of repression and occupation."

That's just one letter from this "great man".

So Don, what's your favorite part?

[drdon326]

28. Nice try at subterfuge,newyorican.....

You quote Elias Khoury who is a Lebanese writer and novelist. He is also the editor in chief of the cultural supplement of the Annahar newspaper.

The finally found Palestinian Moderate,Elias Khoury,is a prominent lawyer from the Galilee who has been living in Jerusalem for 30 years.

Honestly , newyorican , next time you decide to shamefully pass off
a classic 'bait-and-switch', make it believeable.

Did you really think you could have fooled anyone with
that? :shrug:

[drdon326]

29. kick....

waiting for response.

[newyorican]

30. No subterfuge, donny

was number one on the hit parade from google upon entering the name. If it is the wrong guy, that my mistake. If...

[drdon326]

31. Riiiiight.....

I understand....it was all an innocent mistake.

Ever play "Three card Monte"??

Nah....fuggadaboutit.

[newyorican]

32. only idiots...

play that game, don.

[drdon326]

33. I figured you knew the game.....

here you go newyorican,lets see if I can help you redeem yourself...

from post #1

When he says....

"These people are committing crimes and damaging Palestinian interests and the religion which they claim to represent or to serve."

Who are "these people" he referring to ?:

A. the "Palestinian Authority"
B. the terrorists
C. the "palestinian society"
D. "islamic leaders"
E. all the above


give it a shot.

[newyorican]

34. knowing and playing...

are 2 different things, and I don't seek redemption from small minded people, don.

[drdon326]

35. Ouch.

its been fun. See you next time, newyorican. lol

[newyorican]

36. baby powder is good for...

diaper rash and spanked asses...

[Djinn]

38. Nice of you to selectively quote Mr Koury

I beleive newyorican was not intending to deceive...you have deliberately (or the Jpost did - both have shown rampant bias) omitted certain quotes to make it seem that Mr Khoury was blaming ONLY the Palestinian leadership and religious figures.

Here's a more honest depiction....from a man who "has an distinguished record of taking up cases against Israel’s illegal policies towards Palestinian Jerusalem residents and Palestinian holders of Israeli passports living inside Israel proper "

and "fought renowned legal battles against Jewish settlers over land ownership."

sure sounds like a pro - Israeli doesn't he drdon - I'd be careful about lionising him if I were you - you may find yourself having to condemn his arguments in the not too distant future

"I wished the victims of the recent days could be the last ones, and bring the leaders on both sides to reason."

[newyorican]

37. Is this the right guy...

that is selectively (mis?)quoted in the J-compost?

Elias, a member of the Palestinian National Democratic Union, condemned the shooting, deeming such attacks as “barbaric just like the occupation is barbaric.” Khoury, further, commented "to target innocent civilians, be they Israeli or Palestinian, is a criminal act and should be stopped. Such incidents are an attack on the interests of the Palestinians and damage their cause."

http://www.miftah.org/Display.cfm?DocId=3365&CategoryId=2

[newyorican]

39. kick...

for "shameless bait and switch" and selective (mis)quoting...

We report, you deride...