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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:15 AM
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Israelis better at manipulating media
By Dr Toine Van Teeffele

"As a guide and consultant living in Bethlehem, Palestine, I have regularly coordinated visits for groups of Westerners coming to see Palestinian reality with their own eyes.

Almost always those visitors felt afterwards that what they saw did not correspond with the image of Palestine they had before. Somehow the impact and scope of occupation were never really understood except after experiencing it first hand.

Why? Lots of causes are at play here, but perhaps none is so important as the influence of the media. I think three main factors have to be considered to understand the impact of the western media on the popular image of occupied Palestine (the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip):

* The work situation and cultural background of Western journalists working in Palestine and Israel
* The presentation of the news about the region, and
* The boundaries of the debate within the media."


A journalist's job........click link for more

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0944B35C-4811-4F44-88EF-F96684DF85F7.htm

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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:33 PM
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1. no shit
Israel continues murdering Palestinian civilians left and right, then gets the money from Americans to pay for the weapons they need for their killing sprees.

The media's job is to convince American taxpayers that Israel really isn't doing anything bad and they're actually sorry to kill the civilians but they got in the way of the bulldozing jobs, and besides God gave the land to Israel anyway and Palestinians are nothing but squatters.

Go ahead and turn on CNN or Pat Robertson or Fox News. That is exactly the story they're presenting to their viewers.
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 09:44 PM
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2. There are no killing sprees
by the IDF. Never were, never will be.
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Resistance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:05 PM
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3. Oh then all the murdered civilians that the IDF leaves behind
are all accidents and mishaps?

I don't think so.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 11:11 PM
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12. Reckless homicide.
:(
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 11:12 PM
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13. If they are accidents and mishaps
to use your own words, they are not, by definition, murders.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 10:26 PM
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4. Well, that isn't true
Since the current Prime Minister of Israel is responsible for at least one, and in fact there have been many others.
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 01:12 AM
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6. Blatantly false
because the IDF was not involved in the incident you are referring to, mr. priv.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 12:39 PM
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8. I'm referring to
Qibya, though I could have referred to El-Bureij.

The fact the IDF was involved is not even a matter of debate, and the killing spree is praised in Israel.

If you're unaware, the unit responsible (Unit 101) was largely formed from the T'zanhanim (1948), and Unit 30 (1951, part of IDF south command).

Morever, the IDF was involved in the Lebanese massacre which you thought I was referring to. To make a few points, the IDF:

1. Provided unmarked diggers to transport the bodies.
2. Arranged and trained the killers.
3. Surrounded the camps and prevented terrified residents from leaving.
4. Lit flares to help with the massacre.

Etc.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 11:57 PM
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5. She meant they would be killing sprees if Arabs did it

It is this pesky anti-Israel bias in the English language. Despite the evident need for a verb tense specific to Israeli actions that would be something else if done by Arabs, or Asians, or Swedes, the pro-terror linguists continue their willful defiance and denial of Israel's right to do whatever they want to do to whomever they wish to do it.
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Gimel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 01:16 AM
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7. So it's all in the linguistics
The conflict of words. 164 murders in 29 suicide bomb attacks in Jerusalem. Lets call them homicide attacks. Let's call the attacker Snow White. Does that make a difference?
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Blayde Starrfyre Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 06:32 PM
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9. Homicide Bombers
Anyone who uses the term "homicide bomber" has instantly lost my respect. What is a homicide bombing? A bombing that results in a homicide. Thus, Timothy McVeigh is a homicide bomber. Henry Kissinger is a homicide bomber. Mafiosi are homicide bombers. Yet each of these is certainly different from a Palestinian who straps dynamite to himself and blows himself up on an Israeli bus. "Suicide bomber" is a useful clarification.

Those who use the term "homicide bomber" are trying to assign a pro-Israeli slant to events. "Homicide bomber" means nothing, it is unclear and therefore worthless as an adjective. Just another example of the right-biased shift in America. One could use a Palestinian-biased term like "freedom fighter" to describe these people, but instead the neutral description "suicide bomber" is used. Now Republicans want that changed to "homicide bomber" and "terrorist" in daily discussion in order to favor Israel simply by stating a fact.
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 07:19 PM
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10. Homicide bomber
is a far better term than "suicide bomber" because it better conveys the fact that the subhuman organism in question murdered or sought to murder people rather than doing the world a big favor and simply blowing themselves to pieces.

What is depicted here has little if anything to do with suicide.

As for your "Republican" comment:

"Mr. Speaker, the resolution before us expresses our solidarity with Israel in its war against terrorism. We know from September 11 what it means to be attacked by a suicide or homicide bomber."

Henry Waxman, D-CA


Here in the United States we point to one single day, September 11, and remember the unspeakable carnage and terror. Israelis cannot point to one single day of terror because they live with terror every single day.
As someone who lost a family member on September 11, each time a
homicide bomber attacks a cafe in Israel, it reawakens my grief and my anger, and I know the impact of each explosion is felt in the hearts and minds of every single American.

Joseph Crowley, D-NY

"The names and faces of local victims of Palestinian terror are a solemn reminder of how every homicide bombing truly hits close to home. There is no moral justification for these acts of terror, and the time has come for the United States to stop rewarding the Palestinian Authority with millions of dollars. Only when the Palestinians halt violence against Israel, and stop taking innocent lives should the United States consider a resumption of aid."

Anthony Weiner, D-NY

"Two weeks ago, I stood with members of the United Jewish Federation of Northeastern New York and Rabbis from across the Capital Region of New York State, and recounted the horrible story of a March terrorist attack that ripped through the heart of an Albany family -- by stealing the life of Avia Malka, a nine-month old infant visiting Netanya, Israel on the joyous occasion of a family wedding. An armed homicide bomber walked into the lobby of the family's hotel, began shooting, and then detonated his device. The infant Avia was shot in the head, struck by shrapnel, and killed. Her father remains in the hospital and still cannot walk.

Mr. Speaker, I am deeply disappointed with the contradictory statements made by our President in recent weeks, and I totally disagree with our vote at the U.N. asking Israel to retreat from its pursuit of Palestinian terrorists. For the President to embrace such a policy is completely contradictory to the principles of our own international war against terrorism."

Michael McNulty, D-NY

"In light of today´s bombing, which occurred at the very time Secretary Powell is meeting with the Israeli Prime Minister, an Al Asqa homicide bomber struck in the heart of Jerusalem. Al Aqsa is under the control of Arafat and, therefore, Powell should not meet with Arafat."

"It is a sad day when the Secretary of State is considering meeting with a known terrorist. Would the Secretary meet with Osama bin Laden? If Powell meets with Arafat, it makes a mockery of President Bush's belief that you are either with us or the terrorists. What we're saying is that everywhere, except Israel, we are fighting terror. In Israel, however, we look the other way and negotiate with terrorists to placate Arab dictators and the Arab Street. The US has never dealt with terrorists and must not now."

Eliot Engel, D-NY

"In the debates in the press, in talking to the people, one could feel the palpable yearning for peace that Israel is so desperate for. One could not escape the fact that Israel is a country fighting a war on terrorism alongside the United States. One could never escape the fact that Israel is targeted by hostile neighbors, by hostile terrorists who have had over 100 suicide bombings, homicide bombings, really, targeted at civilians, men, women and children.

Sometimes we read in the papers here that in the last 3 years since violence began in September of 2000, about 800 Israelis have been killed and countless more wounded, maimed. And Palestinians were also killed. But what you do not read all the time is that most of the Israelis who were killed and maimed were children and old people and women, children simply at a pizza parlor or teenagers at a dance hall or people at a wedding or a Bar Mitzvah or just going about their business, on their way to work on a bus. Most of the Palestinians who were killed were armed people engaged in attacking someone engaged in terrorism.

One is also struck when visiting Israel, in going around Israel, by how small the country actually is. It is one thing to look at a map and talk about Israel and the territories, the West Bank and Gaza and the Sinai and Egypt and what territories should constitute a new Palestinian state, what territorial concessions or compromises Israel should make. It is all very academic on a piece of paper; until you are there, and you see how small this country is. When you go to a place, a hill on a farm, and you can look and see on one side, the Jordan River, the boundary between the West Bank and Jordan, and on the other side, you can see from the same hill the Mediterranean, how narrow the country is and how remarkable, in those terms, is the willingness of Israel to give up so much territory to form an independent Palestinian state, as Israel offered to do at Camp David and at Taba in 2000."

. . .

We saw also part of where the fence is going to be. The fence has been the object of some controversy. But the Gaza Strip has a fence around it. People go through the fence, through check points, but not one homicide bomber has come from Gaza. A million and a half people in Gaza, not one homicide bombing has come from Gaza into Israel successfully. Plenty have tried, but not one has succeeded to wreak mayhem and murder on civilians. Unfortunately, that is not the case with the West Bank.

Someone once said that good fences make good neighbors. Well, you need a lot more than good fences to make good neighbors, but one might say that good fences are very important to make good neighbors. And no one can deny the necessity for Israel to try to prevent people from crossing over to attack villages and towns in Kibbutzim and just plain people going about their business.

The United States is erecting a fence between at various places between the United States and Mexico to prevent illegal immigration. No, we do not have a problem, thank God, with people trying to cross from Mexico into San Diego to commit murder. If we have a problem, it is because people want to cross to get jobs. But the Israelis have that problem. And we saw where we were how narrow the place was. How there was an Israeli town and not 200 yards away an Arab-Palestinian village, which was not in Israel but was in the West Bank, and in between them simply a depression in the ground and nothing to stop people from walking across.

That is why we need the fence. That is why Israel needs the fence, to protect the lives of men, women and children. And it ill-behooves anyone to criticize a defensive fence against terrorism.

Jerrold Nadler, D-NY

Just a snall sampling of prominent Democrats using the term correctly. Democrats overwhelmingly support Israel and the Israeli people. If you want to find a Republican/Democratic dichotomy, you'll have to search elsewhere.
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 11:09 PM
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11. kick for Democratic congressmen
who get it.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 11:23 PM
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16. its like ...
colateral damage (ooops..)
pre-emptive strike
Relative calm
Peace fence
smart bomb
daisey cutter-bomblets
Free Speech Zone
911 has changed eveything
watch what you say
war on terrorism (war is terrorism)
were in a new kind of war
"Patriot Act" (police state)
Orwellian Home Sevice OHS
humanitarian use of force
they hate our freedoms
ooh and n shock n awe y-all
and ... homee-cide bomber
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 11:58 PM
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18. That might sound good at your local spoken word
poetry reading but it doesn't seem to make much sense as a post.

collateral damage (ooops..) ... as long as there's been war there's been collateral damage.

pre-emptive strike ... right ... what's your point?

Relative calm ... again ... your point?

Peace fence ... a fine term for a fine fence

smart bomb ... your point, again?

daisey cutter-bomblets ... um, a daisy cutter doesn't have bomblets ... you're confusing your ordinance.

Free Speech Zone ... right ... ?

911 has changed eveything ... Truer words were never typed. It did change everything.

watch what you say ... good advice in almost any setting.

war on terrorism (war is terrorism) ... a poor term ... war on Islamism would have been my preferred term ... or war on radical islam ... as for war is terrorism, by definition, it is not.

were in a new kind of war ... yup, that's true.

"Patriot Act" (police state) ... You've never lived in a real police state, have you? The Patriot Act doesn't begin to create one.

Orwellian Home Sevice OHS ... now you're just making stuff up.

humanitarian use of force ... where did you see this?

they hate our freedoms ... depending on who "they" are, this could well be true.

ooh and n shock n awe y-all ... you don't have the album name quite right

and ... homee-cide bomber ... is that like a homicide bomber from da hood?
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 01:27 AM
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19. Poetry of Orwellian terms, think about it
poetry reading but it doesn't seem to make much sense as a post.
(my point, its about silly Orwellian terms)

collateral damage (ooops..) ... as long as there's been war there's been collateral damage. >dead people

pre-emptive strike ... right ... what's your point?
>excuse for war

Relative calm ... again ... your point?
>read Alls quiet on the Western Front

Peace fence ... a fine term for a fine fence
>security barrier, if there's peace, why do you need a wall ??

smart bomb ... your point, again?
another (silly) Military Industrial Complex term

daisey cutter-bomblets ... um, a daisy cutter doesn't have bomblets ... you're confusing your ordinance.> true
2 different bombs, cute terms for bombs eh...

Free Speech Zone ... right ... ?> Bush invention, fenced in area
far from from Bushes location, pesky protesters

911 has changed everything ... Truer words were never typed. It did change everything.> no hasn't changed a thing for me, I still
believe in the constitution and bill of rights..

watch what you say ... good advice in almost any setting.
>especially around John Ashcroft ;)

war on terrorism (war is terrorism) ... a poor term ... war on Islamism would have been my preferred term ... or war on radical islam ... as for war is terrorism, by definition, it is not.
>yes, you got one "a poor term"

were in a new kind of war ... yup, that's true.
> same old killing

"Patriot Act" (police state) ... You've never lived in a real police state, have you? The Patriot Act doesn't begin to create one.
> I've been to east Berlin back before the wall fell, got that
same feeling again ....

Orwellian Home Service OHS ... now you're just making stuff up.
>I wish

humanitarian use of force ... where did you see this?
>some military spokesman back in Afghanistan said this

they hate our freedoms ... depending on who "they" are, this could well be true.> I think its Bush and his buddies (who "they" are)

ooh and n shock n awe y-all ... you don't have the album name quite right> you don't get my twisted humor

and ... homee-cide bomber ... is that like a homicide bomber from da hood?> hey, thats funny,a bomber from the hood.
yes, I know a suicide bomber is a Homicide-Suicide Bomber
suicide bomber for short....

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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 11:17 PM
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14. I love this
Al Jazeera trying to give lessons in journalism. That's like Faux News doing it.
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Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 11:22 PM
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15. Al Jazeera
Pravda for our times.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 11:26 PM
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17. Nah
Even Pravda didn't front for terrorists.
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