Video of bombing aftermath

[Blitz]

WARNING - VERY GRAPHIC

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?format=wm&s=C9CE3CEBD341410FACBEFAABD8F66FE0&ci=22958&ak=null&ClipMediaID=28655

I'm going to say this one more time. I'll try to be clear so as not to be compared to Hitler again, as I was this morning. The organism that committed this atrocity was sub-human. Not worthy of being considered as equal in any respect that matters to civilized or even uncivilized human beings. The sub-human organisms that trained him, supported him, encouraged him, taught him his hatred, supplied him with his weapon, directed his actions, laud and celebrate his his murders, either openly or in secret, excuse or attempt to justify his atrocity and otherwise attempt to make it possible for subhuman organisms like him to exist in today's world must be eliminated from this earth, either by the destruction of their loathesome ideologies or the destruction of the worthless, hateful, putrid wastes of skin and organs that carry and spread the ideology of murder and hatred like a disease. If there is ever to be peace it will only be after every last remnant of the culture of death that this latest slaughter is a symptom of is erradicated totally.

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[Blitz]

4. If you had some, I'm sure you'd post them

but the fact (sad for some) is that Israeli troops DO NOT butcher Palestinians, no matter what propogandists claim. Maybe you'd like to post a video of the holocaust at Jenin?

[Resistance]

6. Israeli troops murder Palestinians regularly

The murders committed by both sides are to be equally condemned.

[Blitz]

10. You keep repeating this lie

It's not one scintilla truer the ten thousandth time you try to spread it then it was the first time.

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[Resistance]

53. who said anything about big evil Jews?

:shrug:

blood of Muslim children? What're you talking about? :crazy:

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[Jim Sagle]

70. The IDF haven't been engaged in murder or in killing sprees.

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[Blitz]

26. Do the extra exclamation points

make it extra, extra true?

It's a lie.

[number6]

49. no its just simply true

here's some more if you like em !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Blitz]

65. No. It's not true. It's pure propoganda.

eom.

[Resistance]

28. It's odd how we regularly read the reports about it

Yet some have missed all those reports entirely.

[Jim Sagle]

69. The IDF isn't murdering anyone. Self-defense isn't murder.

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[kalian]

16. War...? Nah...

I'd call it "mutual hatred" and pure, unadultered racism....taken to
an extreme and violent level.

[KissMyAsscroft]

21. Ummmm....they are at war.

It's just that one side has much better funding.

[Blitz]

20. Plenty of videos

Of Israelis clubbing Palestinians to death? I call bullshit. Post one or retract your slur. War is not about who is right? Baloney. I know who is right.

[KissMyAsscroft]

33. CNN ran one not too long ago...

They beat the hell out of a Palestinian "prisoner" and threw him out of a window.

CNN got thousands of calls for showing it so they stopped.

And are you living in a fantasy world where Israeli jets aren't bombing Palestinians in retaliation?

It's very hard to argue a point with someone that is so emotionally involved that they can't see the facts.

[Blitz]

50. You talked about plenty of videos all over the net

of Israelis beating Palestinians to death. Either post one, which shouldn't be difficult if your assertion is true, or retract your assertion.

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[Blitz]

71. Rape videos, snuff films

and various other perversions. You spend time at that site?? You actually recommend that people go there?

[Blitz]

75. "they arent as readily avaiable" (sic)

First you say that "here are plenty of videos floating around the net of Israelis clubbing Palestinians to death and throwing them out of windows" and then, just minutes later, you say that "they arent as readily avaiable." One or the other may be true. Both may be false. However, it is logically impossible for both contradictory statements to be true. In your backtracking, you have managed to contradict yourself.

Either back up your original assertion or retract it. And please, no more links to rape video sites.

[Darranar]

30. Yes, they are at war...

and the action of the suicide bomber was a war crime.

[kalian]

32. Hmm....

then the bombing of civilian homes by the Israeli air force are
ALSO war crimes....

[Darranar]

41. The targeting of civilians, regardless of who does it, is a war crime.

[Resistance]

45. yep

[arcane1]

48. Amen

I condemn the mortal HELL out of suicide bombing, but I also equally condemn homicide bombing

[kalian]

51. Yupp....but it appears that both the US and Israel....

have been "exonerated" of these laws.
US Case: Iraq...
Israeli case: Palestinian homes...

And since Israel has stated that there has "never been" any place
called "Palestine"...I guess those "terrorists" have been
exonerated as well. :eyes:

[ogminlo]

Up until about 50 years ago...

Israel was a people and Palestine was a place.

Britain created the nation of Israel out of old Palestine after WWII.

(Not trying to say some posters in here didn't know that...)

[kcwayne]

64. A very well known video used by Bin Laden

as a recruiting tool shows the death of a young boy huddling against a building with his father while bullets fly around their heads until the young boy is finally struck and killed.

By any measure, this was butchery and the Isreali army succeeded in recruiting alot more fanatics with their brutal and senseless murder of an innocent child.

I think his name was Mohammed Al Douri. I don't have the time to find the link to the video, but this has been seen by millions of people.

[Blitz]

72. I sent you a PM regarding this video

Mohammed al-Dura has been used as a propoganda tool by Islamist terrorists throughout the world. In fact, it is most likely that he was murdered by Palestinian gunmen (possibly for the express purpose of gaining a propoganda coup):

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/06/fallows.htm

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1991to_now_alaqsa_dura.php

Check out the links at the bottom of the second linked article.

[tinnypriv]

76. LOL

Interesting set of links for corroboration:

WorldNetDaily, Masda2000, Netenyaho.org, The Atlantic, PalestineFacts, Arutz Sheva.

Despite that obvious absurdity, your sources don't even back up your "most likely" claim.

In fact, the two with which all the others derive (PalestineFacts, James Fallows), both specifically point out that they have no conclusive proof about what happened, nor do either pretend that murder by Palestinian gunmen is the "most likely" explanation.

That claim only comes from the German documentary, produced by Shapira, which I very much doubt you have watched. Hence, you shouldn't be commenting on it, regardless of how much you like the "hypotheses" within it.

[Blitz]

77. I have read rather extensively

about the documentary but you're right, I have not had the opportunity to watch it.

What, exactly, is the obvious absurdity to which you refer?

[KissMyAsscroft]

2. Well, they are at war. What do you expect?

If the Palestinians had missiles they would use them.

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[Jim Sagle]

73. Israel isn't murdering anyone. Self-defense isn't murder.

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[kalian]

11. "It's all these sub-humans do...."

Ummm...your wording is way out of line.

[Blitz]

31. Hit alert

I'm comfortable with my wording. You want to correct me and tell me what else terrorists do? What other aspirations they have? What wonderful plans for themselves, their people and the world they have? Go ahead.

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[Resistance]

14. as a matter of fact

Israeli troops have recklessly murdered at least three times the number that Palestinian extremists have murdered; therefore, can we conclude that Israeli troops are three-times lower on the sub-human level than "Arab terrorists" are?

[Darranar]

17. No, but we can conclude that they are much better equipped.

[kalian]

18. Like gunning down the deaf woman....

but she was deemed "mentally unstable"... :eyes:

[Resistance]

23. Or the 10 year old

who went looking for songbirds. Israeli forces saw fit to gun him down.

Anyone got videos of that murder?

[Jim Sagle]

74. Israeli troops aren't murdering anyone. Self-defense isn't murder.

[ogminlo]

29. Anyone would do the same if put in their position.

If it were the Isrealis left with no option but to suicide bomb the dominant and well-funded American-equipped Palestinians, they would.

If American fundamentalist Christians were under the same economic and political stress as the Arab world is under, they would be the ones flying planes into skycrapers in Riyadh.

The subhuman element here is blind hate, and nothing else.

[Blitz]

34. Hundreds of millions of people throughout the world

are worse of in every way than the Palestinian Arabs. Yet, they do not have homicidal death-cultists in their societies. The Israelis would never sink to this. Your comment shows that you know very little of Jews and their culture.

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[kalian]

40. Oh really....?

And what exactly did the jews do to "gain" their independence when
they were forging their Israel? Resorted to "terrorist acts"...but
that's not what it was called back then... Oh no, it was called
"freedom fighting"..."liberation" fighting"..."independence fighting".

:eyes:

[ogminlo]

44. Every culture has a lunatic fringe!

That when pushed to the its limits will act in a lunatic fringe manner. The Jews' culture must be pretty belligerent judging by their heavy military aggression against the Palestinians. Not all Isrealis support their government's apartheid-like policies. Not all Palestinians praise the bombers. Not all Americans like Bush.

You need to learn what a "spectrum" is.

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[Blitz]

56. I know about Jewish culture

and ethics and what it does and what kinds of societal norms it does and does not allow. Individuals may stray from such norms on occaision but the society as a whole will not. Not all cultures are equal, as much as some people would like to believe that they are.

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[Blitz]

62. What gave you that idea?

Do post my words that gave you that particular insight into my reasoning process.

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[Blitz]

68. Your paraphrase is simply a slur

I said no such thing.

"All Palestinians are vile, murderous terrorists???"

Either provide a quote that supports your "paraphrase" or any portion of it or provide an apology.

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54. Israelis do sink to this level:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/388505.html

Pas, Shvu get 15-month sentence for weapons-related crimes

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"Yitzhak Pas and his brother-in-law Matityahu Shvu from the West Bank settlement outpost of Havat Maon were sentenced by the Jerusalem District Court on Thursday to 15 months in prison each, after accepting a plea bargain that resulted in the conviction of weapons-related crimes in December 2003.




Pas, the father of baby Shalhevet Pas who killed by a sniper in Hebron in 2001, and Shvu were seized in July while heading for Jerusalem with 40 kilograms of explosives. Under the plea bargain, the two were not charged with passing the explosives to a third suspect, Shahar Dvir, nor were they charged with conspiracy.

The two were indicted in August for having transported explosives stolen from the Israel Defense Forces. Pas and Shvu were seized on July 17 at the Hizmeh checkpoint in the West Bank, headed for Jerusalem.

The car in which they were traveling contained eight "bricks" of explosives, which weighed a total of 40 kilograms. Prosecutor Dan Eldad said the bricks were stolen from the army, and that the IDF markings had been removed from their wrappers. He said the quantity of explosives was greater than that used in a number of deadly terror attacks. "This is weaponry that is used for offensive actions, not for defense," he said. "It is used in attacks not against individuals but against large numbers of innocent people."

One of the suspicions under which the two were originally investigated - that they were en route to a terror attack against Palestinians - was not included in the plea bargain indictment.

The Shin Bet investigation also probed alleged involvement of the two in terrorist attacks against Palestinians in which bombs were used, but the investigation did not yield sufficient evidence to warrant inclusion in the indictment.

The Shin Bet suspects the two are linked to the "Bat Ayin Cell" of Jewish militants, which has set bombs in crowded areas of Palestinian villages.

The sources claim that Pas and Shvu planned to place the bombs in Palestinian population centers when they were intercepted at the checkpoint. The Shin Bet also suspects that Pas may have financed the materials used to construct a bomb that Bat Ayin members set in a trailer near a school in an Arab neighborhood in East Jerusalem. The bomb was discovered before it exploded.

Pas and Shvu had stuck to their right to remain silent. Pas also refused to be fingerprinted. A court later ordered him to undergo the fingerprint examination."


Two Israelis. Intercepted on their way to place bombs in population centers. How are these two any different than Palestinians (whom you call sub-human) who plan the murders of innocent civilians?

[arcane1]

5. agreed, in fact I'll go one step further:

ANYONE who kills the innocent falls intto your category, regardless of whether they strap bombs to themselves, or launch them from a keypad 1,000 miles away

[kalian]

8. So....

are we going to see a video of the bombed out building(s) that are
sure to be blown up when the IDF retaliates?
Oh, and curious to see how Sharon's bribery scandal gets forgotten
with this blast.

To all the families involved...and both sides...my condolences...
But first...STOP THE HATRED.

[ogminlo]

9. Chickens and eggs, chickens and eggs.

The bombers do not operate in a vacuum. What is your opinion of the Israeli gunships dispensing "justice" on suspected bombers' families' and their homes?

Understand this: I am not trying to excuse the brutality of the Palestinian bombers. I am merely pointing out that the Israelis do not have a clean moral highground. Both sides can claim to be both victim and killer.

Thus my subject line- whose violence begets whose violence?

[Darranar]

12. At this point, what does it matter?

[kalian]

15. Ahh...good question...

[pink_poodle]

25. Right on!!!!! However, it does seem that the IDF...............

are somewhat better equipped when it comes to retaliations. Amazing what US dollars can buy over there.

[Blitz]

24. That's an awful lot of replies

How many of you have actually watched the video?

[arcane1]

27. I did

care to challenge my post?

[kalian]

36. I did....

and what's your point? Want to make me that me "sympathetic" to
the Israeli's "plight"?
What's your point? That only "innocent Israelis" can suffer?
What's your point? That Palestinians are "sub-human" as per your
earlier post?

What is your point?

[Blitz]

38. Where did I say that the Palestinians

are "sub-human?" Either back up your slur against me or retract it and apologize.

[KissMyAsscroft]

42. I have seen tons of videos like this...

Doesn't make the Israeli side any more right for the crimes they commit.

[kalian]

43. Right here....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=50138&mesg_id=50151&page=


And yes....the alert HAS been hit...

[Blitz]

52. And where, in that post

did I call Palestinians sub-human? Why don't you cut and paste the precise language. Or why don't you just apologize for your slur.

[Blitz]

63. Still waiting

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[tinnypriv]

55. Well, I didn't reply

But that was because you failed to note the context of the video release, hence any comment would likely fall on deaf ears.

I watched the video this morning, before the site was overloaded, FWIW.

[waterman]

57. This is one thread I wouldn't mind seeing locked .... you guys have

as much chance of being civil as the people you're talking about.

[Blitz]

Go ahead and alert

Maybe someone will lock it. That is a decision for the mods and admin. However, the initial post did not violate a single DU rule.

[ogminlo]

60. WHADDAYA MEAN!?!?

I'm being CIVIL! Wanna step outside?? ;)

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[undergroundrailroad]

78. Locking per I/P Guidelines

New threads must be based on a recently-published news item or op-ed piece. They may not be based on editorial cartoons or photographs.