What should Israel do about terrorism?

[i_am_not_john_galt]

I really only know that Lieberman seems to generally back Sharon, but what are the other candidate's positions?

[DrWeird]

1. Why, move to a more appropriate forum of course.

nt

[Don Claybrook]

2. I'm glad you asked

I think Israel should abandon terrorism and so should the Palestinians.

[mrgorth]

6. Word up

Dean brother.

[wuushew]

3. Too vague

add this to the list of what is your favorite food or when a tree falls in a forest does it make a sound.

[mmm]

4. Fire the entire IOF, that should fix the problem

[Muddleoftheroad]

5. There is no such thing as the IOF

So firing it would be easy.

[GabysPoppy]

9. Maybe it was a typo

:shrug:

[Muddleoftheroad]

21. LOL

[vierundzwanzig]

36. Some people call him a president,

some call him a crook but we all know his name.

[GabysPoppy]

39. I am all for putting Bush on unemployment

:bounce:

[i_am_not_john_galt]

7. Too vague?

"add this to the list of what is your favorite food or when a tree falls in a forest does it make a sound."

How about
- Should we support the wall?
- Is the roadmap the right approach or is it too flawed?
- Since President Clinton's Camp David attempt what potential resolutions still remain?
- Is there a way that Israel can avoid a further decline in to apartheid yet protect its citizens?
- Should we recognize Arafat or continue with Bush's refusal to acknowledge him in favor of a Prime Minister?

[leftofthedial]

8. stop practicing it as a matter of national policy

would be a good start

[i_am_not_john_galt]

11. Not much of an answer, actually

This is not some trivial, flip question. The current situation in Israel is the major engine of discontent towards the US. Bush has made it clear that he is just fine with Sharon, the wall, and an apartheid solution. There is little light between the Bush position and Lieberman's. But I haven't heard specific strategies from the other candidates, nor so far from this thread.

Regardless of the history that got us here (because everyone's go their own firmly held version of it), what is the alternative to the status quo - a reasonable, actionable alternative that will de-escalate the situation and move towards a peaceful, just solution?

What strategy would we support for Israel to protect its citizens from being blown up without imprisoning an entire people?

[radwriter0555]

10. They should stop terrorising the palestinians in their quest for power and

real estate.

These BS antagonistic 'wars' over gods and real estate are getting old, fast.

[MysticMind]

12. erect a border with checkpoints like the U.S. has ...

That way Palestinian terrorists can't just walk across the border. Actually Israel does a better job of anti-terrorism than us, we're too worried about being politically correct.

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[i_am_not_john_galt]

15. So all of the Palestinians who work in Israel

continue to wait in long lines and be frisked everyday? I don't think this will help resolve the situation, only make it continue to fester.

Is there a dem candidate with a serious, practical strategy for dealing with this? It's easy to spout off little comments such as in the above thread. I would have loved to see where Clinton would have gone after Camp David if he'd had the time. He had enormous leverage with the moderate Palestinians and Arab states by bringing Israel to concede to virtually all of the Palestinian demands. Bush ignored that leverage for 2 years, then came out with the roadmap, which doesn't seem to be working out all that well.

[Muddleoftheroad]

22. There is a solution to them being frisked

They don't have to work in Israel.

[sushi]

42. Who will take the jobs

Israelis don't want?

[Muddleoftheroad]

43. Israel has already been solving that problem

Israel has been using guest workers from Asia and Eastern Europe.

Even better, they don't blow themselves up.

[sushi]

44. Well then

do all the things to make peace, and then tell the Palestinians they're not welcome in Israel. Then Israel can be a small, prosperous, and peaceful country half the size of Switzerland, with guest workers from Asia and Eastern Europe doing all the jobs Israelis don't want.

Trying to make Israel bigger just means one thing - no peace.

[MysticMind]

26. you can't have seperate states without

Borders.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

14. give up and get out of the west bank/gaza settlements

i think the freedom fighters will stop terrorizing them then

[i_am_not_john_galt]

16. I think you are in denial

if you think that just by pulling out of Gaza and the WB the palestinian militants would be appeased.

Serious answers anyone? Anyone?

[i_am_not_john_galt]

17. Here's my serious answer

I advocate that the US pressure Israel to put the exact same offer from Camp David back on the table (difficult, Camp David was with Barak, not Sharon), then pressure ALL of the Arab states to support this with meaningful pressure on Arafat. The goal could be a binding Palestinian referrendum on whether to accept the Camp David offer, or continue down the current path. The US could offer serious economic development assistance to a new Palestinian state contingent on meeting non-violence goals, and threaten serious loss of economic and military assistance to Israel for failing to live up to their side.

[matcom]

18. interesting how you can be called a 'militant'

on your own land

[i_am_not_john_galt]

19. So what's your answer? Israel moves to North Dakota?

[matcom]

20. hardly

stop building walls and moving their 'insurgents' into Palestine

[i_am_not_john_galt]

23. Those are conditions of Camp David

As well as the roadmap. But at Camp David that offer was on the table and was rejected in favor of continuing the infantada. Somehow this:
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has to be dealt with through Palestinian/Arab leadership.

[i_am_not_john_galt]

25. As was this

and this:

has to be dealt with through Israili leadership.

[the_boxer_]

31. Camp David was prior to the Intifadah..

Besides, the offer was not really an "offer." It was designed to have the Palestinians give up everything to live in tiny little communities very similar to Bantustans. This was not 'just' resolution.

[MysticMind]

35. Hamas rejected The accords

Because it recognized Israel. Hamas doesn't want a two-state solution, they want control of the entire area of Israel.

[sushi]

41. Completely pulling out of Gaza and the WB

is a good start. Then sharing Jerusalem, and giving them money in exchange for them giving up the right of return.

If there is a suicide bomber attack after all that then Israel, imo, has the right to just take over the whole place!

[AntiCoup2K4]

24. Israel should elect a government that is not terrorist itself

They should ban Sharon & Likud and put those shitheads in prison where they belong. And that's MY position, not Howard Dean's so don't start rumors...

[Muddleoftheroad]

27. By your supporters shall ye be known

[Soul On Ice]

33. Outstanding post!

n/t

[MysticMind]

28. how exactly is Israel's govt terrorist?

It's such an overdone accusation mostly believed by Arabs kept ignorant by their own governments.

[bluesoul]

29. Gee

I guess Sharon is a man of peace, right?

[MysticMind]

30. its not one or the other...

You're not either Gandhi or a terrorist. Patton wasn't a man of peace but he wasn't a terrorist either.

[the_boxer_]

32. Not really...

anyone who wishes to call the PA "terrorists" must apply the same standards to the GOI. Simple really. It's called being consistent.

[MysticMind]

34. Hamas is terrorist since it TARGETS noncombatants

How does Israel do that?

[vierundzwanzig]

37. Three acquaintances (non-combatants/militants/terrorists)

while I was there.

[Muddleoftheroad]

40. They were targeted?

How do you know?

And no, I am not asking if they were injured, I am asking if they were targeted. THAT'S what the terrorists do to Israeli women and children. Then they run away and hide in the civilian areas on the West Bank, hiding behind the Palestinian women's skirts like the cowardly scumbags they truly are.

[Resistance]

38. well

how about not participating in terror?

[Gimel]

45. That's what the wall is for

Love it!