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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:28 PM
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Muslim football tournament under fire for team names
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 08:29 PM by JohnLocke
Muslim football tournament under fire for team names
Chelsea J. Carter, Associated Press Writer
Sunday, December 28, 2003


Irvine, Calif. -- The idea was innocent enough: A group of young men organize a holiday football tournament and give their teams such innocuous names as "4th and Goal" and "1988'ers."
It was some of the other team names that raised eyebrows: Intifada, Soldiers of Allah and Mujahideen.
The furor that followed has forced some teams to change their names and a handful of players to quit. It also sparked a debate that threatens to overshadow the tournament, which was planned primarily for young Muslims and scheduled for Jan. 4.
"This was really just supposed to be about the youth playing football. Now it's become so political that a part of me thinks we shouldn't even play," said Tarek Shawky, 29, one of the tournament's organizers.
Those involved in the league said they never set out to upset or offend anyone. But critics say such names as Intifada, which is used by Palestinian fighters, and Mujahideen glorify terrorism.
In Arabic, Intifada means "uprising" and Mujahideen means "holy warrior," which is associated with several Islamic groups that are on the U.S. list of terrorist organizations.
"The issue is these are words that are linked to real terrorists, real threats, real murders today," said Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center.
"There shouldn't be young Americans chanting the name Mujahideen as American soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq are put in danger and attacked daily," Cooper said. "As for Intifada, it has been a disaster for the Palestinians and the nearly 1,000 Israeli children and parents murdered by suicide bombers."
(...)
He passed out fliers at an Orange County mosque and set up a Web site, inviting teams to register and submit names. Although most submitted names such as "4th and Goal" and "Muslim Football Allstars," three came under fire.
(...)
While two teams -- Soldiers of Allah and Mujahideen -- agreed, Intifada has not. Shawky said the team was considering a name change before the tournament.
(...)
The letter also defended the use of the word Intifada, citing the Palestinian movement.
(...)
"Controversy comes and goes," he said. "Today it's about the tournament; tomorrow it will be something else." __________________________________________

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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 08:36 PM
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1. my how times change- "Mujahideen" was just fine in the 80's
ask Rambo! :evilgrin:

yet another reason why we call them "al Qaeda" instead of "Mujahideen"- using their real name might remind the historically-minded of some uncomfortable history...
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 10:12 PM
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2. Kick
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:34 AM
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3. i'd say it was stupid
for them to name themselves such things, but they have the freedom to name themselves whatever they want. That's what makes America different from middle-eastern countries ruled by islamic fascists. If you tried to make a soccer team named the Crusaders, for example, in Saudi Arabia you would likely be summarily executed in the public square.


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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:35 AM
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4. That's a generalized
view of the Muslim world. As though they're all ruled by "Islamic fascists". One could say then that the US is ruled by Christian fascists...
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:48 AM
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5. Oh please, bluesoul.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:00 AM
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7. John Ashcroft
I rest my point...
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 10:58 AM
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6. Also...
two particular countries in the Muslim world are also ruled by Christian fascists...
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picus9 Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:57 AM
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8. Please.
Are you serious? Anyway I'd take a Christian fascist over a muslim anyday.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 12:14 PM
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9. We'd noticed
don't worry picus9.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 01:18 PM
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11. So as long as it's Christian fascism
you have no problems with it? Ooook...
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 03:03 PM
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12. Why?
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 12:16 PM
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10. I saw a piece on this on CNN
about a month ago. Had interviews with league officials and team members.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/West/12/07/muslim.football.ap/

This story is being recycled.
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_Jumper_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 03:18 PM
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13. Well, there they go again
Once again Western Muslims shoot themselves in the foot! How many anti-Muslim bigots were created by this news? :scared: :nuke:
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