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RPG-7 Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:11 AM
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Charedi Rabbis Rush To Disavow Anti-Gentile Book
Edited on Fri Dec-19-03 11:12 AM by RPG-7
In an effort to back up his arguments, Grama draws on an array of racist sources ranging from medieval theological tracts to the writings of Friedrich Nietzsche to the works of Nazi figures. Among other things, Grama argues:

• The differences between Jews and gentiles are not religious, historical, cultural or political. They are, rather, racial, genetic and scientifically unalterable. The one group is at its very root and by natural constitution "totally evil" while the other is "totally good."

• Jewish successes in the world are completely contingent upon the failure of all other peoples. Only when the gentiles face total catastrophe do the Jews experience good fortune.

• The Jews themselves brought about their own destruction during the Holocaust, since they arrogantly endeavored to overcome their very essence, dictated by divine law, by leaving their ghettoes and trying to assimilate into Christian European society. The confrontational approach of the Zionists, their boycott of German products and anti-Nazi demonstrations in particular, only exacerbated the peril to European Jewry. For this they were massacred by Hitler who, while himself an evil person, was acting as God's agent in punishing the Jews.

Grama also argues that in opposition to Zionism's advocacy of Jewish national self-assertion and self-defense, which he views as an imitation of "gentile ways," the Torah mandates that the Jews, while in exile, should employ such means as appeasement, deception, duplicity and even "bribery" in their dealing with gentiles, so as to avoid their wrath.

Grama's full-blown racialist theories appear to break new ground, building on a handful of hints of national and racial chauvinism occasionally found in the writings of a few earlier rabbinic figures, but combining them into a racialist doctrine with no precedent in rabbinic literature. To be sure, a minority stream exists in the rabbinic tradition — from the 11th- and 12th-century Hebrew romantic poet Yehuda Halevy to the 18th century chasidic sage Levi Yitzhak of Berditchev — which sees the differences between Jew and gentile as innate, rather than merely religious. Perhaps the most extreme version of this view is found in the central text of Chabad chasidism, Tanya, whose author, Rabbi Shneur Zalman of Lyadi, Chabad's founder, maintained that Jewish and gentile souls are fundamentally different, the former "divine" and the latter "animalistic." That viewpoint has gained ground in recent decades, particularly among charedi thinkers.

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The article seems to believe that the author got spanked for writing an "anti-gentile" book. I can point out a number of other examples of "anti-gentile" works that went as far as praising various Jewish terrorists and providing rabbinical arguments that these actions weren't murder. These works were published on a larger scale and passed without comment mostly. I think his real crime here as far as the establishment went was his anti-zionism and saying that the Holocaust was a divine punishment.

http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.12.19/news4a.html
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:18 PM
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1. That does it!
Anti-gentilism is at a 50 year high! :crazy:
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RPG-7 Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:19 PM
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2. lol..
That's what I was thinking of when I posted this. I hope everyone is very somber and serious when they contemplate this terrible hate on the upswing :D
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:22 PM
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3. A Rabbi in a Jewish State...
is "state-sponsored"...no?
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RPG-7 Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:24 PM
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4. I think the guy is from Jersey..
:shrug:
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:29 PM
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5. He's an alumni...
Edited on Fri Dec-19-03 12:33 PM by newyorican
Not clear on his present address or position.

Written by Rabbi Saadya Grama — an alumnus of Beth Medrash Govoha, the renowned yeshiva in Lakewood, N.J. — the self-published book attempts to employ classical Jewish sources in defense of a race-based theory of Jewish supremacy. Grama's book, published in Hebrew under the title "Romemut Yisrael Ufarashat Hagalut," includes flowery endorsements from the most revered religious scholars at the renowned Lakewood yeshiva, including the institution's foremost religious leader, or rosh yeshiva, Rabbi Aryeh Malkiel Kotler.

Published in Hebrew = for certain eyes only (Damn those translators!)

I never wondered what would happen if you crossed David Duke with a Rabbi, but this fellow seems to provide an answer to that unasked question.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:34 PM
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6. This post is gonna get locked
5...4...3...2...1...:nuke:
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:38 PM
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7. Why?
You can show hatred preaching by Arabs, just not the mirror image among Jews? Becuase you don't like hearing about it?
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 02:07 PM
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8. you missed the memo...
The strategery is to *not* post at all on this thread so it drops from the front page asap.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:03 PM
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10. Live Fast, Burn Bright....
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:10 PM
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11. What's that got to do with anything?
Yr saying the poster got tombstoned for starting this thread? People get tombstoned all the time, so I'm not seeing what the big deal is or why you felt the need to draw attention to this particular tombstoning...


Violet...
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:30 PM
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12. Impish Humor And A Vile Mood, Ma'am
Just in looking over the place today, this fellow stood out in lumps, and it did not surprise me to find he had been liquidated: the grounds for it are too obvious to need stating.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:52 PM
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13. and bad aim...
not that I mind the collateral spitball now and then.
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meti57b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 07:25 PM
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9. That's ridiculous..
Going by Jewish definition of "Gentile", Gentile is everyone who is not a Jew.

Right now, world population is estimated at 6,336,978,894 people.

http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/ipc/popclockw

There are no more than 15,000,000 Jews in the world. Most are not anti-Gentile.

6,336,978,894 people - 15,000,000 Jews = 6,321,978,894 Gentiles

I'd say the 6,321,978,894 Gentiles really should not lose sleep over anti-Gentile-ism
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:30 PM
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14. If it's ridiculous, tell the Rabbi.
You know, for all the spit-balls tossed at people who present info as they find it, they just don't make the stuff up. It's real and it's available for checking out. Just because it's information you might not like to hear or know about, doesn't mean it's false.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:37 PM
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15. Doubtless Many People Have, Fellow
It is not as if the creature has a mass following....
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