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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:29 AM Original message |
Fundamentally Freund: SOS: Selective Outrage Syndrome |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. well to be fair |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. He means Jews. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. You can't seriously argue that the Palestinians are obligated to let the settlements stay in place |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Should Jews be allowed to live in Hebron? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I'm not sure on that one. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. I think there was already some bad blood from 1929 |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. There were an equal number of Palestinians killed in rioting tied to the same incident |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. That is a lie |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. My sources on that include Tom Segev |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. There is no source that claims that any non-Jewish people were killed in the 1929 Hebron Massacre |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. You're hairsplitting |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. But we are talking about Hebron |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. There should be compensation for anyone still living who was forced out of Hebron |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. The whole point of the settlements is to make a functional Palestinian state impossible |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. But Hebron's Jewish community pre-dates the state of Israel and any settlements |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. That could be done with compensation. |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. No. Or all injustices should be rectified. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. That is insane! Kill enough to make it an even number? |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. You're the one with a thrist for revenge, or what you call "recitifying injustices" |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. I have no thirst for revenge or rectifying injustices |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. If Abbas meant no settlers, that's one thing. He was quite clear he meant no Jews, period. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. He just meant no Israelis, and you know it. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. So you think Abbas wants to toss out thousands of Arabs who live in Jewish settlements too? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. The Arabs who livein Pisgat Zeev are NOT comparable to the West Bank settlers |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. But they're Israelis, Ken. Now do you believe Abbas meant Israelis or Jews? n/t |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. So clearly he is not talking about Israeli Arabs only Israeli Jews |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. He's talking about Israelis. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Including Israeli Arabs? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:04 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. And most Israeli Jews self-identify as "Jewish" |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. He's talking about the settlers who are Israeli citizens. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Fayyad has said that the Israeli settlers can stay in Palestine as equal citizens |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 01:05 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. It is entirely possible that they are on different pages |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 06:11 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Ken, he's talking about Israeli settlers who are Jews, not the Arabs in the settlements |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
2. The Post has as much credibility as CAMERA on this issue, which is |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Depopulating the West Bank of Palestinians? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Forcing Palestinians off of the land and giving all the good land to the settlers |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. What land are the Palestinians being forced onto? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. They're being forced onto the nonusable land WITHIN the West Bank |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. That cannot be entirely true as the agriculture sector is still a major industry in the West Bank |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. This question is disengenuous given all of the evidence I have provided |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. You have provided no evidence of any Palestinians being driven out of the West Bank |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. You've either got a really short memory or there are two oberliners here at DU |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. I don't see how/why you would think that article makes any claim about depopulation of the West Bank |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. credible source please? n/t |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. 2006 map of settlements in West Bank and areas under Israeli control |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
8. This isn't about bigotry |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. Some settlers are Arabs, Ken... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #27 |
49. This is a pernicious half truth, which is worse than a lie. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 06:10 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Why? Thousands of Arabs have decided to live in settlements along with Jews. |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-31-10 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
52. Throwing stones when you live in a glass house |
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