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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 06:37 AM Original message |
Robinson criticises Israel for continued blockade on Gaza |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-18-10 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. Good on ye Mary, still doing the Irish proud! |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. She's a great person... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Mary Robinson's admission: "This is not a humanitarian crisis". |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:20 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. For the honest brokers around here..The full, NON-SELECTIVELY QUOTED quote from President Robinson. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. That is in the article itself (most of it in the excerpt posted in the OP) |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I leave it to the regulars to disseminate the correct context of President Robinsons statement. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Same context as Ethan Bronner's article. See post #22 below. Claims of starvation... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. And now she's being clear it's not a humanitarian crisis. But you'd rather believe the lie, why? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. If shes being clear, then why cherrypick 6 words? If your cause is so righteous, why the dishonesty? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Why ignore and deny 6 words that echo the NYT, Slate, and Time Magazine? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Why misrepresent the woman to defend your beloved israel collectively punishing innocent women |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. There is no misrepresenting. She's echoing the Director of the UN Development program from 2008... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. I'm sure if the internet had been around in the 1940s we would have seen the following...... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:12 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Reputable sources admit no humanitarian crisis in Gaza, so why do you ignore/deny it? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. President Robinson also says its collective punishment. You deny it. Picking and choosing the words |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. First things first....the claim about starvation & a humanitarian crisis was a lie, right? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I have already answered that n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Why are you answering for Tripmann? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Caught ya. As usual you cherrypick the words that suits you. Wash rinse repeat, Its pathetic. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:09 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Compare what she said to TIME, SLATE, NYT, and the UN Director. It's the same, right? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Does it fill you with pride for Israel to excuse the collective punishment of women and children? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:49 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. You can't admit there's no humanitarian crisis, can you? Claiming so was a lie, right? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:14 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Why do you ignore her previous comments calling it a humanitarian crisis, but cherrypick 6 words? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:25 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Why should I believe anything liars say about Israel? You can't admit claims of starvation... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:49 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Israel was very careful to keep its victims NEAR starvation, but not quite let them starve to death. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. You're still using the claims and arguments of known, unrepentant liars - why? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:06 AM Response to Reply #63 |
75. LOL! The red cross is a known unreopentant liar? It calls gaza a humanitarian crisis. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:17 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. So TIME, SLATE, the NYT, and several UN reps are liars for saying there's no humanitarian crisis? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:19 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. You're the only person here accusing people of lying shira. And nobody believes you. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:26 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. So reports and claims by TIME, SLATE, NYT, and UN reps are....? Tell us please. n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:58 AM Response to Reply #85 |
92. I believe the experts from the ICRC,the de facto commentators on humanitarian matters. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Jimmy Carter claimed Gazans were starving. You believe him? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:00 AM Response to Reply #95 |
102. No. But I'm not the one dropping his name in reverence when it suits my agenda. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:51 AM Response to Reply #102 |
107. No? Why not? Do you think he lied, or was just honestly misinformed? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:49 AM Response to Reply #107 |
126. Who? Jimmy Carter, that guy whos name you drop in reverence when you agree with him?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 07:10 AM Response to Reply #126 |
134. Can't answer that one either, can you? This must be so confusing for you, never being able... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #134 |
136. Any other names you want to drop while you're quoting out of context for your agenda?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #136 |
139. Are you denying Robinson is retracting just like the NYT, SLATE, TIME, and the UN? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #139 |
146. Who the fox news filth tactics? Why dishonesty to excuse the mass malnourishment of innocent kids? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 11:40 AM Response to Reply #146 |
148. No filthy tactics at all. Why did Robinson deny a humanitarian crisis in Gaza? No deflections... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #148 |
153. Shira, its pathetic when hannity does it, and he's getting paid. Whats YOUR excuse?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. self-delete (n/t) |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 06:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
93. I think the attempts to selectively quote from that are incredibly dishonest n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:03 AM Response to Reply #93 |
103. Thats it VC. And I'm more than happy to repeatedly expose this dishonesty. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:15 AM Response to Reply #103 |
117. That one is a very good example of a quote that needs the context around it... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:18 AM Response to Reply #103 |
118. So why did Mary Robinson claim "no humanitarian crisis" if there really is/was one? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:27 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Why the fox news tactics shira. Why the selective quotation. Why the dishonesty?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:34 AM Response to Reply #119 |
122. Why did she say it? She did say it, right? Why? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:44 AM Response to Reply #122 |
125. ROTFLMAO! THATS WHERE I'VE SEEN THIS CRAP BEFORE!! Know what this reminds me of boys and girls???? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #125 |
128. You're deflecting. Why did she say it? Let's face it, she wasn't taken out of context - was she? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:57 AM Response to Reply #128 |
130. I explained it numerous times in this thread. Why the fox news filth tactics?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 07:03 AM Response to Reply #130 |
131. No you haven't. She shouldn't have said it if were false, so why'd she say it at all? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #131 |
138. Seriously, Who are you fooling with your fox news filth tactics? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 10:25 AM Response to Reply #138 |
140. No ROTFLMAO? No smilies? Again, why did Mary Robinson say there's no humanitarian crisis? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #140 |
145. Why did you say gazans were starving due to the crisis if you don't believe it? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #145 |
149. What are you talking about? Starvation has always been a BS claim. n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #149 |
152. Then why did you post it?? |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #93 |
197. I do too. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Do you agree with her when she says the situation in Gaza is not a humanitarian crisis? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. no not in context it is not controversial n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. Robinson is merely echoing what Ethan Bronner reported recently... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. are they now? well let's look at another snip other than your fav-0-rite one |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. The point is that claims of starvation and a humanitarian crisis were nothing but lies. n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. there is no starvation , but the crisis is politically or artificially induced |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. So you agree with the UN Director of Development in 2008, and now the NYT, Slate, Time...? n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. I agree that there is/was no starvation n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. So Mary Robinson, the NYT, Time Magazine, Slate, the UN Director.... they're all wrong? n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I believe that Mary Robinson's quote taken in context was correct |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Robinson's quote isn't similar to the NYT, Time Mag, Slate, and the UN Director claim in your view? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Similar perhaps but not the exact same either n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Compare the statements, they're the same. n/t |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:07 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Here's John Ging of UNRWA worming his way out of the "humanitarian crisis" lie... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. LOL! You're worming around definitions of the crime against humanity your buddies are committing on |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:26 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. And who is accusing Israel of these crimes? Liars who once claimed starvation & humanitarian crisis |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:55 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. You excuse their bombardment, malnourishment, imprisonment and opression. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I excuse nothing. You're denying that claims of starvation/crisis were lies. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #62 |
81. Oh, so now you condemn israel for dropping bombs on areas populated with innocent women & children?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:25 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. First things first. Were claims of starvation and a humanitarian crisis true or false? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:40 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Refusing to condemn the bombardment of innocent women and children? Tisk tisk |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:51 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Just waiting for you to answer first, but then you don't answer tough questions. n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:05 AM Response to Reply #90 |
104. You've refused to condemn the bombardment of innocent women & children every time its been put to |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:51 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. I'm always against cruel unethical terror against innocents. Now please answer me. n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Ok, so you don't consider the women and children Israel bombarded to be innocent? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. What? Where'd I say that? Do you consider any military Israeli defense against rockets as terror? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:33 AM Response to Reply #112 |
121. You condemn innocents being bombarded but refuse to condemn women & children in gaza being bombarded |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:37 AM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Many bombed in Gaza were innocents who shouldn't have been harmed but do you think Israel.... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:52 AM Response to Reply #123 |
127. You bombard a densely populated area, you make a concious decision to kill innocent women & children |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 07:06 AM Response to Reply #127 |
132. So any military response by Israel to effectively stop rockets, etc.. is wrong? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #132 |
137. So you ARE excusing Israel bombarding areas densely populated with innocent women and children. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #137 |
141. Where'd I say that? Do you think it's wrong for Israel to respond militarily to hundreds of rocket |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #141 |
143. Rather than condemn the bombardment of children, you rattle off cliched soundbites. Thats excusing |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #143 |
150. LOL, coming from the king of cliched sanctimonious soundbites. n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #150 |
155. So you're condoning israel bombarding innocent women and children. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. Not at all. What's with you resorting to Fox News tactics by attributing views to me I don't have? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. Oh, so you're condemning israel bombarding innocent women and children then. Yes? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Read my last post again and then answer me. No more Faux Noise tactics from you, okay? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. Why should we believe you about the crisis when you can't even condemn kids being bombarded? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Still waiting for you to answer me. Here's my answer to you again... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #160 |
161. We're not talking about 'one palestinian', so can the rhetoric. We're talking about hundreds of dead |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. So you certainly do condemn Israel for daring to defend its citizens. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. I condemn israel for bombarding an area densely populated with women and children.You refuse to. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. No, you condemn Israel for daring to defend its citizens...see my last post again. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. Israel already killed hundreds of gazans during the rocket attacks (which killed 20 israelis) |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. You're still deflecting, diverting, and obfuscating. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. Not really.I'm not the one who condones the killing of kids once the killers wearing a star of david |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #169 |
170. So you're against the IDF acting to protect Israelis and you have no problem w/Hamas using shields. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #170 |
171. Thats the problem with imprisoning and opressing other people, you may find your own citizens |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 05:10 AM Response to Reply #171 |
172. There was no siege happening, no occupation, no oppression when Israel left Gaza to the Palestinians |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 03:22 PM Response to Reply #172 |
174. So, you consider the killing of hundreds of kids 'proportionate' to the deaths of 20 israelis.Cheers |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #174 |
175. Define proportionate first, and when comparing numbers.... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:49 AM Response to Reply #175 |
176. Its quite simple. You consider 100s of dead gazan children to be proportionate to 20 israelis. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:53 AM Response to Reply #176 |
177. So genius, what would be a proportionate response to rocket attacks at all hours day and night? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:00 AM Response to Reply #177 |
178. So, whats the 'proportionate response' to the dogs you beat, starve and imprison biting you? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:13 AM Response to Reply #178 |
179. Again you ignore that these rockets started before a siege when the Gaza occupation ended. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:34 AM Response to Reply #179 |
181. The only 'ignoring' here is you ignoring the killing of 100s of kids by your beloved israel. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #181 |
182. Besides Israelis, who else do you deny the right of self-defense? Or is it just Israelis? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:03 PM Response to Reply #182 |
183. So, proportionate is hundreds of dead children? Thought so. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. Who else besides Israelis do you deny the right of self-defense? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. So, now dropping bombs on children is defense from homemade rockets? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. So please propose an effective, proportionate military response to rockets |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:18 AM Response to Reply #186 |
187. Aww,poor abuser.Forced to murder hundreds of kids because their victims bite back.And you condone it |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:29 AM Response to Reply #187 |
188. So after the Gaza disengagement in 2005 before any siege, if you and your family got rockets... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:37 AM Response to Reply #188 |
189. Oh, you mean before your beloved israel mass malnourished 1 million innocent women & children? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:45 AM Response to Reply #189 |
190. More diversion, evasion, & irrational demonization. Read Amos Oz from my last post to you. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:51 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. And condoning the deaths of innocent women & children is the 'right side of history'? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 04:56 AM Response to Reply #191 |
192. When you oppose liberal doves like Amos Oz and David Grossman, you're on the wrong side of history. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 05:38 AM Response to Reply #192 |
193. When did I ever say israel should just 'take rockets'? Do you bring anything besides dishonesty?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #193 |
195. You're against any military response that could cause Palestinian civilian casualties. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #195 |
198. And where did I say that? Dishonesty wrapped in bullshit to excuse the inexcusable. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #198 |
199. What? Where'd you define a proportionate response? Where have you ever detailed what you believe.. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #199 |
200. A few posts back I gave my answer, so why the dishonesty? You think nobodys noticing you refuse to |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 04:07 AM Response to Reply #200 |
201. I call BS. I just looked many posts up and there's nothing there. Please identify the exact post. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 04:23 AM Response to Reply #201 |
202. LOL! Indefensible?? I'm not the one 'defending' the bombardment of innocent women & children. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 04:27 AM Response to Reply #202 |
203. Still waiting for you to identify that exact post where you explained what Israel can do... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 04:31 AM Response to Reply #203 |
205. I told you already, use the state of the art weaponry to target militants. Go into gaza and fight. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 05:03 AM Response to Reply #205 |
206. They did that in Jenin and were still accused of a massacre. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 05:09 AM Response to Reply #206 |
207. So,they may as well drop bombs on kids rather than risk their lives,cos they'll be demonised anyway? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. No, it means you'll bash Israel no matter what they do..... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 03:07 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. Are you REALLY asking why I'm 'bashing' israel & not the US/UK......in the ISRAEL/Palestine forum??? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #210 |
212. No, that's not what I'm asking you.... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #212 |
213. This is the israel/palestine forum, despite your best efforts to make it about everthing else. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 06:09 PM Response to Reply #213 |
214. It's just a yes/no question. I suspect you can't answer it for the simple reason... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #214 |
215. I'm discussing israels crimes on the I/P forum. You're excusing them. My conscience is clear. Yours? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 06:28 PM Response to Reply #215 |
216. It's a yes/no question. I want to know if you have one standard for Israel... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #216 |
217. LOL!! No I don't, actually. You're the one consistently practicing double standards around here. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 04:27 AM Response to Reply #202 |
204. So, should the british army have dropped bombs on catholic area in Nothern Ireland? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #204 |
209. Nope, and neither should NATO have bombed Kosovo as they did, right? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-28-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #209 |
211. So why defend israel when they do it? Why excuse israel & not NATO? Are gazan kids subhuman to you?? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 07:08 AM Response to Original message |
5. For the honest brokers around here..The full, NON-SELECTIVELY QUOTED quote from President Robinson. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 08:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. The non-selectively quoted quote is presented in its full context in the OP |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I leave it to the regulars to disseminate the correct context of President Robinsons statement. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Do you agree with her statement in that context? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:15 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. What context oberliner? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. The paragraph that is cited in the OP which contains the quote |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:39 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I know the context & intent of the quote because I have heard her refer to it as a humanitarian |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. That makes sense |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Given her previous commentaries, I genuinely believe that to be Presidents Robinsons intent. Yes |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I think that is fair |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
15. No mention of violence or responsibility from Hamas? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Noun-verb-hamas. No mention of the suffering of innocents you excuse regularly |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 09:55 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Hamas is relevant in the context of the Elders visiting Gaza and assessing the situation |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Here's a nice picture of the elders embracing hate-filled warmongering antisemites like Meshaal |
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ProgressiveMajority (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
96. Good, that's exactly what needs to happen, you need to talk with people to get PEACE |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Israel will make peace with Hamas as soon as the US and UK make peace with Al Qaeda & Bin Laden. |
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ProgressiveMajority (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Really, Hamas = Al Qaeda? LOL... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. It's all Muslim Brotherhood, do some research. Also, Iran refused to negotiate with Obama... |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
36. Closing your eyes? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-19-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Of course Hamas has absolutely nothing to do with the context! n/t |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 12:19 AM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Of course not! |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
66. Yes, she's actually blaming Israel for its own actions... Appalling. N.T. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Yeah, it's really too bad she can't accuse Israel of creating a humanitarian crisis anymore. Also.. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
64. Check out this picture of the Elders shmoozing with the head of Hamas |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Looks like a meeting to me it should also be noted |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I can't imagine any liberal getting all cozy with fascist KKK militants, can you? n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 06:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. No not with KKK but then I didn't know the KKK operated in Syria |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You don't think Hamas is as bad as a militarized KKK? n/t |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. No I do not think a militarized KKK would IMO be worse or better |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:18 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Would it bother you to see the Elders cozying up to the KKK leadership, refusing to criticize them? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Hang on shira. You constatnly drop carters name as an endroser of the geneva initiative. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Deleted message |
Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:02 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. So,when carter talks geneva initiative, he's a respected statesman,but when he calls gazas siege |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:15 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Carter claimed Gazans were starving due to the blockade. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:20 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. The same 'respected' statesman whos name you drop in reverence everytime it suits you?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:23 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. No, I try making points sometimes by dropping names that you respect. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:24 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. LOL! So its "all hail carter'...wait, he said something I don't agree with. Fuck him" |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:27 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. You mean like you do with Mary Robinson? Love her til she says no crisis, then to hell with her? |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:36 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I don't quote her out of context to suit my agenda.You have no choice given the crimes you excuse. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:50 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. You believe her only sometimes when it suits you. Just like Carter. n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:57 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. I know the context. Like I said had the internet been around in 1940 |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. It must be difficult for you when your trusty reliable sources all contradict each other... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 05:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. You don't mind their 'contradiction' when it suits your agenda to excuse the suffering of innocents. |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. They contradict themselves because they know they were caught lying. You're left guessing... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:06 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Are the red cross and every major aid organisation on the planet lying. Who believes you?? Nobody |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 05:46 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Riddle me this first...why are Robinson, the NYT, SLATE, TIME, and UN people contradicting... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 06:34 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Why quote her out of context? Why the fox news dirt tactic shira? Why the dishonesty? Desperation?? |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. I didn't quote her out of context, no more than the NYT, SLATE, TIME.... |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:29 AM Response to Reply #113 |
120. Even oberliner agrees that you're quoting out of context. NOBODY BELIEVES YOU |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:38 AM Response to Reply #120 |
124. Really? Can't say I trust you, so show me. n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:54 AM Original message |
Dupe |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #124 |
129. For anyone following this thread |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 07:07 AM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Where did Oberliner say Robinson was quoted out of context? You just made that one up. |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 10:08 AM Response to Reply #133 |
135. He accepted my reasoning behind my contention WRT the context |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #135 |
142. He didn't agree with you that Robinson has been taken out of context, now did he? n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #142 |
147. The regulars here who know me, know you and know oberliner are free to read & decide for themselves |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #147 |
151. LOL....show me where Oberliner agreed with your claim that Robinson was taken out of context. n/t |
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Tripmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. Oberliner agrees with my analysis of the context. Everyones free to decide for themselves. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #147 |
165. Please don't try to make me endure the torture of reading this entire thread! |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 08:04 AM Response to Reply #106 |
111. The statementts IMO have changed because the situation in Gaza has changed |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Seriously? Allowing a few more spices and different food items did it? Also... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Under UNHRC'c defination I do agree with Carter |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. I should also add that the opening of Rafah did a bit more |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #116 |
144. The opening of Rafah seems to have added a bit of... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-23-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #144 |
167. so you are claiming that Egypt is allowing weapons to be brought in openly |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-24-10 07:51 AM Response to Reply #167 |
173. I made no reference concerning the importation of explosives... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-26-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #173 |
180. so egypt should close Rafah and no more problem ? n/t |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #180 |
194. Can't see why Egypt would close Rafah... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-27-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #194 |
196. you seem confused-again |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-29-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #196 |
218. ...and talk about happenings between two sides... |
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