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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:26 AM
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Judge Goldstone: The man who has unhinged the Israeli & Jewish right
6 May 2010 5:38 PM By MJ Rosenberg

Someone needs to do a psychological study of the Israeli and Jewish right.
They are terrified by one man, the great human rights advocate, Justice Richard Goldstone, because he wrote a report revealing what everyone knew anyway — that the Israelis committed war crimes in Gaza.

The report came out months ago and, to be honest, it did not change much of anything. The Israelis are still occupying the West Bank and still strangling Gaza.

And yet the right is obsessed with Goldstone. In his home country of South Africa the rabbis and the rightists even got together to try to ban Goldstone from his grandson’s Bar Mitzvah.

Now the Israeli right is going after Goldstone’s record as a judge in South Africa because under the apartheid regime, he upheld the law and the law was apartheid law.

Here is Israel’s deputy foreign minister — a leader of Avigdor Lieberman’s transfer/apartheid party — denouncing Goldstone for racism. (There is simply nothing these people won’t say to make the world forget Gaza and that even includes denouncing racism — whose perpetuation in the West Bank and Gaza is their life’s work).

(See Akiva Eldar on this latest example of the Israeli right gone mad).

remainder in full: http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/blogs/archive/2010/05/06/judge-goldstone-the-man-who-has-unhinged-the-israeli-amp-jewish-right.aspx
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:28 AM
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1. He also reported that Palestinians committed warcrimes...n/t
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:28 AM
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2. Yes, of course, but that wasn't enough evidently. n/t
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:41 AM
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3. No, it's not enough when, for example, a bigot on Goldstone's commission like Col. Travers
Edited on Sun May-09-10 09:44 AM by shira
...reported that in a destroyed Beyt Hanoun mosque there was no evidence of secondary explosions due to Hamas allegedly storing weapons there.

UK Col. Tim Collins agrees with the IDF and disagrees with Goldstone...
http://www.conflictzones.tv/

Later, in Bet Hanun, northern Gaza Strip, the Colonel examined the remains of a deserted and destroyed mosque -- one of several that had been smashed during the Gaza-Israel war. Inside the now deserted mosque, Colonel Collins looked up at a gaping hole left by an air strike. “The allegation was that this was used as a storage facility for weapons,” said the Colonel as he tramped about the ruined structure. “I have to say that what was commonplace in Iraq was also seemed to be evident in Gaza as well. Down in the cellar of the mosque there was clear evidence of secondary explosions. It’s my opinion that the only thing that could have caused this was that explosives were stored here.”


And that's just the tip of the iceberg WRT the credibility of the Goldstone Report...
http://www.goldstonereport.org/

Also, Goldstone "just following orders" is nothing but the Nuremberg defense, which didn't work then and shouldn't work now. He's a vile, unrepentant racist who advocated sending blacks to the gallows and ruled they be whipped/flogged. In addition, Goldstone once indicted a fictional Serbian character back in the 90's based on "eyewitness testimony".

It's not just the Jewish/Israeli right that is disturbed by this unrepentent, racist wretch.

That you and others defend such a POS speaks volumes.

Goldstone is David Duke's kind of Jew. Apparently, Goldstone is as popular with the Stalinist Left as he is with the Fascist Right.



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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:45 AM
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4. Israeli Government Says "Get Goldstone" and Lobby's Media Friends Seem to Comply
The Israelis will never tire of their obsession with Judge Richard Goldstone. Because he had the temerity to write a United Nations report calling Israel's actions in Gaza "war crimes," they are utterly unhinged by the man.

Their obsession is personal because they have no way to knock down the facts about the Gaza war (1400 Palestinians killed, including 320 kids) while only 13 Israelis were killed, four by friendly fire. Not only that, the Israelis leveled Gaza and have now kept it under blockade for a year and a half.

In other words, the Israeli government cannot win any argument about the Gaza war if they deal with the facts.

So they have decided to focus on Judge Goldstone's record as a South African judge during the apartheid regime. Here is the Israeli argument in a nutshell. It is from the Yedioth Achronoth "expose" on Goldstone that appeared on Thursday.

A special Yedioth Ahronoth investigation reveals Richard Goldstone's dark side as a judge during the Apartheid era in South Africa. It turns out, the man who authored the Goldstone Report criticizing the IDF's actions during Operation Cast Lead took an active part in the racist policies of one of the cruelest regimes of the 20th century.
Here is the best part of the article.

Israeli politicians and the Foreign Ministry on Wednesday welcomed the Yedioth Ahronoth investigation, which revealed Goldstone's dark past as a cruel judge in South Africa under the Apartheid regime.
A Foreign Ministry official referred to the investigation as "explosive PR material". Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman plans to instruct his office to send the information published in the newspaper to all of Israel's representatives in the world to be used in their PR activities.


That article appeared Thursday and on Friday Jeff Goldberg in the Atlantic, Jonathan Chait in the New Republic and Alan Dershowitz immediately wrote columns bashing the judge in just the terms specified. This is all in the first 24 hours after the the alleged directive to Israeli diplomats was mentioned.

By next week, there will be many more of these columns and blogposts, all parroting the line. Ed Koch is probably banging away on his ancient Remington typewriter as I write this. And we are bound to hear from Krauthammer, Peretz, Kristol, Jonah Goldberg and maybe Elliot Abram and John Bolton.

We'll see. And thanks to the wonders of the internets, I can keep updating this column to add new names and links.The March of the Penguins!

Note: none of the people who write with such fervor about long defunct South African apartheid ever write about the only apartheid they can do anything about: it's on the West Bank. Right now. And these guys tend to flip out if you even mention it.



Follow MJ Rosenberg on Twitter: www.twitter.com/mjmediamatters

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/israeli-government-says-g_b_568376.html
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:25 AM
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7. The problem is using his report as "definitive."
He was used as a propaganda tool by Hamas, and Israel refused to cooperate.

I think the finding that shows both Israeli and Palestinian governments committed warcrimes was accurate, but he had no power to do a real, wide ranging investigation. He remains a reluctant political sock puppet by Palestinians in general and Hamas specifically.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:31 AM
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8. He was used by Hamas? I have seen no evidence to support that claim.
Israel made a choice not to participate, which was a no surprise decision.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:36 AM
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9. He saw what Hamas wanted him to see...not what he needed to se...
That was known from the beginning.

It woul be like investigating Al Capone by talking only to his mother.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 10:38 AM
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10. You have some sources to support that, I'd appreciate it.
As it appears you are suggesting he was duped and was not able to verify nor qualify his findings.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 04:38 AM
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17. The Goldstone team allowed themselves to be used by Hamas
Edited on Mon May-10-10 05:06 AM by shira
There were also problems in collecting information in Gaza, he said, explaining that Hamas-allied security forces accompanied his 15-member team during their five-day working visit to Gaza last week, potentially inhibiting the ability of witnesses to speak freely, according to AP.
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=211108&MARK=goldstone%20hamas%20witnesses


On June 9, Ma'an reported that the Mission was experiencing difficulties in collecting information because Hamas-allied security forces accompanied the 15-member team, potentially inhibiting the ability of witnesses to speak freely, a factor that obviously needs to be taken into account in assessing the credibility of testimony received. In view of the above circumstances and the widely reported violent retribution inflicted by Hamas on dissidents, (including being thrown from tall buildings), the lack of testimony about storage of weapons in houses, mosques and schools cannot be accepted as evidence that this did not occur on a wide scale.
http://www.goldstonereport.org/procedural-flaws/testimony/115-maurice-ostroff-lack-of-freedom-to-investigate-in-gaza-2nd-thoughts-27909


"While Travers assumes the worst of intentions on the part of the Israel Defense Forces, he praises Hamas for their cooperation with the Mission. When he was asked about Hamas intimidation that affected the Mission's inquiries, he replied that that there was "none whatsoever." Yet the Goldstone Report itself noted in Paragraph 440 that those interviewed in Gaza appeared reluctant to speak about the presence of Palestinian armed groups because of a "fear of reprisals." He rejects the notion that Hamas shielded its forces in the civilian population and does not accept the idea that Israel faced asymmetric warfare."
http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=378&PID=1857&IID=3377


Essentially, in the following we'll briefly describe, partly attach and fully link to the two major Submissions that Take-A-Pen sent to the Mission and to Justice Richard Goldstone himself. We received their acknowledgement of receipt. However, from some reason unknown to us the Mission's Report as published on September 15 does not discuss, quote or use in any way our Submissions; not one single word, fact, photo or idea of our 8,000 word strong two Submissions. We do believe that appropriate use now of the hard evidence and analyses we provided to the Mission will significantly improve the Report, as we believe that the present omission of the evidence and our analyses makes the Report severely deficient and makes its conclusions improper and sometimes even adverse.
http://www.goldstonereport.org/procedural-flaws/testimony/237-endre-mozes-memorandum-to-the-president-of-the-unhrc-28909


In my earlier letter to you, I made three points:
(i) I implored you not to hold the Israeli government’s refusal to cooperate with your investigation against Israel or allow that to be a source of injustice,
(ii) I begged you to try to find out the relevant facts regarding the activities and actions of Hamas and other terrorist groups operating in Gaza and Israel’s efforts to avoid civilian casualties, notwithstanding the refusal of the Israeli government to assist you, and
(iii) I urged you to put your findings in their proper context. You said you would take these things into account but unfortunately I now see my worst fears realized.
http://www.goldstonereport.org/procedural-flaws/testimony/318-trevor-norwitz-on-evidence-and-testimony-open-letter-to-judge-goldstone-191009

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Related to the above is Amira Hass reporting on Hamas "security" WRT pro-Gaza activists....

At midnight, about 12 hours after leaving Cairo, we arrived at a hotel in Gaza. There the first surprise awaited us: A Hamas security official in civilian dress swooped down on a friend who had come to pick me up for a visit, announcing that guests could not stay in private homes.

The story gradually became clear. The international organizers of the march coordinated it with civil society, various non-governmental organizations, which were also supposed to involve the Popular Committee to Break the Siege, a semi-official organization affiliated with Hamas. Many European activists have long-standing connections with left-wing organizations in the Gaza Strip. Those organizations, especially the relatively large Popular Front, had organized lodging for several hundred guests in private homes. When the Hamas government heard this, it prohibited the move. "For security reasons." What else?

Also "for security reasons," apparently, on Thursday morning, the activists discovered a cordon of stern-faced, tough Hamas security men blocking them from leaving the hotel (which is owned by Hamas). The security officials accompanied the activists as they visited homes and organizations.

During the march itself, when Gazans watching from the sidelines tried to speak with the visitors, the stern-faced security men blocked them. "They didn't want us to speak to ordinary people," one woman concluded.

http://www.haaretz.com/magazine/week-s-end/pro-gaza-activists-under-siege-imposed-by-egypt-and-hamas-1.261009

Bear this in mind because Goldstone later denied his June 9 Maan News statement about Hamas following his team around Gaza...

Goldstone insisted that "Hamas didn't follow us at all," much less "at every stage" of the visit. "They were nowhere near any of the interviews we held, and there was just no question; there was no issue." He added, "Had they attempted in any way to do that, I would have found that objectionable and I would not have accepted it - but it just didn't happen."
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=226141

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Lastly, there's this...

Star witness for UN's Goldstone Report: Israel spreads aphrodisiac chewing gum to Palestinian youth
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/stephaniegutmann/100011827/star-witness-for-uns-goldstone-report-israel-spreads-aphrodisiac-chewing-gum-to-palestinian-youth/

Shahwan's testimony was with regard to whether Hamas policemen were actually Hamas militia...

397. While it appears that all the policemen killed in this location were taking part in a training course, there is conflicting information on the details. Most reports by NGOs are to the effect that these were police “cadets” in the midst of a graduation ceremony. The Gaza police spokesperson, however, told the Mission that they were serving policemen, who had been taking a three-week course and who were, at the time of the strike, doing “morning sport exercise”.255

400. A second police training course targeted was reportedly attended by around 50
policemen. Twenty-eight of them were killed in the strike. According to the police spokesperson, the training course was designed to instruct police officers on how to deal with police officers who abused their power as well as on cultural and economic issues relevant to police work.258

414. On 1 January 2009, during the Israeli military operations in Gaza, the police spokesperson, Mr. Islam Shahwan, informed the media that the police commanders had managed to hold three meetings at secret locations since the beginning of the armed operations. He added that “an action plan has been put forward, and we have conducted an assessment of the situation and a general alert has been declared by the police and among the security forces in case of any emergency or a ground invasion. Police officers received clear orders from the leadership to face the enemy, if the Gaza Strip were to be invaded.”278 Confirming to the Mission that he had been correctly quoted, Mr. Shahwan stated that the instructions given at that meeting were to the effect that in the event of a ground invasion, and particularly if the Israeli armed forces were to enter urban settlements in Gaza, the police was to continue its work of ensuring that basic food stuffs reached the population, of directing the population to safe places, and of upholding public order in the face of the invasion. Mr. Shahwan further stated that not a single policeman had been killed in combat during the armed operations, proving that the instructions had been strictly obeyed by the policemen.



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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 06:48 PM
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18. From your own sources:
"citing unspecified Palestinian media reports" and "If so, this was clearly a major obstacle to obtaining genuine evidence."

Why you find this a legitimate source is unfortunate.



Goldstone still waiting for the WH to respond to what specifically are the alleged flaws.

You could ask yourself why the Obama administration doesn't employ Dershowitz's report to rebuke
Goldstone, nor the other sources you posted. Not that Obama doesn't have access to some of the best legal minds in the world, yet it appears
he may never get back to Judge Goldstone.

Funny how that works out.




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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:05 PM
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19. So you believe Goldstone's team wasn't followed around by Hamas despite what Hass reported?
As for 'flaws', you didn't see enough in that last post you just responded to?

Howard Berman wrote a point-by-point response to Goldstone. It's about as much as you'll see from the US govt. Politics is a bitch...
http://washingtonindependent.com/66189/bermans-response-to-goldstone-on-house-gaza-war-crimes-resolution

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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:27 PM
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21. You can re-read post # 18 again if you like...no further commentary is warranted
until the Obama administration responds directly to Judge Goldstone.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 09:06 PM
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22. Why does Goldstone have to wait for Obama in order to respond to criticism of his report?
Edited on Mon May-10-10 09:09 PM by shira
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:07 AM
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11. Who says the report is or should be used as definitive? Goldstone
made clear what constraints existed up front.
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FarrenH Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 03:21 PM
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15. "Sock Puppet" implies someone who's orders come from the hand under it
I must suggest its a ridiculous idiom to use and entirely untrue
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:48 AM
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5. It was at best a half assed job, and he knew it going in
It was not possible to do an accurate job since he was not going to have access to critical data. He knew it and went ahead anyway as documented in Appendix II. He has also admitted that in a court of law there, no one would have been convicted based on what he reported. Like most western governments the US is not taking his report seriously, and given its flaws, nor should anyone else.

The on going smackdown on him is curious. Some claim its because Israel is concerned his report has traction. Others say its to insure that the message is clear...do a unsupportable hatchet job on Israel and you will be publicly pilloried. Probably some of both.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 09:50 AM
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6. To date, the Obama administration has not responded to
Judge Goldstones request to indicate what flaws they believe exist in the report.

He's still waiting for a response.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 01:51 PM
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13. Google is your friend
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/09/17/1007970/rice-serious-concerns-about-goldstone-report
Note it Ambassador Susan Rice, not former SecState Rice

Why Obama Buried the Goldstone Report: http://www.watchblog.com/thirdparty/archives/006765.html

Congress also chimed in: http://blog.unwatch.org/?p=511


This all came up on the first page of a Google request. There is certainly more out there...
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 02:57 PM
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14. Again, nothing from the WH, not one word from the administration
that specifies the flaws. You seem to not be able to differentiate the difference. If you look at Goldtsones statement to Obama, you'll
see there has been no response.

From Rice:"We have long expressed our very serious concern with the mandate that was given" to the Goldstone commission by the U.N. Human Rights Council "prior to our joining the Council, which we viewed as unbalanced, one-sided and basically unacceptable," Rice said.



What Rice says here: Most importantly, our view is that we need to be focused on the future," she said.

What the Congress did in response is well known, and again, does not specify, nor refute the report. They didn't even have the balls
to invite him to speak to Congress, in your view, that may seem a fair rebuke of the report, and that would be an unfortunate assessment.




Judge Goldstone refutes allegations in congressional resolution


Source: Grassroots International (GRI)

Date: 02 Nov 2009


By Nikhil Aziz

On Tuesday, November 3, a bipartisan resolution (HR 867) cosponsored by Reps. Howard Berman (D-CA) and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL) in the House will be likely voted on that condemns the Goldstone report released in September by the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict. This is a deeply flawed resolution and an extremely misguided move on the part of its sponsors that will do nothing to bring long-term security for Israelis or meaningful justice for Palestinians; and, in fact, will only make prospects for both that much more harder to realize. It begs the question whether the sponsors have even read Justice Goldstone's exhaustive report based on the fact finding mission he led on deputation by the United Nations.

Rep. Brian Baird (D-WA), one member of Congress who has read it asks, in a thoughtful response to his colleagues, why such a resolution is being brought forward without even giving Judge Goldstone the opportunity to explain his findings. And he notes, "As one of the first two American officials, along with Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), to enter Gaza shortly after the conclusion of major bombing from "Operation Cast Lead," then again several months later, I have seen firsthand the devastating destruction of hospitals, schools, homes, industries and infrastructure. Much of that devastation was wrought using U.S. manufactured and paid for weaponry. I have also spoken with health workers, average Gazans, nongovernmental organization relief workers and many others." Rep. Baird further asks: "What will it say about this Congress and our country if we so readily seek to block 'any further consideration' of a human rights investigation produced by one of the most respected jurists in the world today, a man who has led the investigations of abuses in South Africa, the former Yugoslavia, Rwanda and Kosovo, and worked to identify and prosecute Nazi war criminals as a member of the Panel of the Commission of Enquiry into the Activities of Nazism in Argentina?"

Bill Fletcher Jr., a former Board member of Grassroots International, reflected in the Black Commentator after viewing Judge Goldstone's interview by Bill Moyers on PBS that "Moyers, an outstanding interviewer, posed tough questions to Goldstone, many of which were derived from criticisms of Justice Goldstone by anti-Palestinian forces for alleged bias. In fact, a clip of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu addressing the United Nations (played during the show), made such charges quite explicit. Justice Goldstone never wavered. A committed Zionist and long-time friend of Israel, Goldstone described the Israeli behavior in no uncertain terms as an act of collective punishment against the people of Gaza for having elected Hamas (the Islamic resistance movement) in the first place."

Last week Judge Goldstone, who had earlier called on the Obama Administration to show where his report contained inaccuracies or bias, responded to HR 867 (see in full below). For more on the Goldstone report, and its aftermath, visit our ally Jewish Voice for Peace's campaign at http://www.supportgoldstone.org.

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The Honorable Howard Berman
Chairman, House Committee on Foreign Affairs

The Honorable Ileana Ros-Lehtinen
Ranking Member, House Committee on Foreign Affairs

October 29, 2009

Dear Chairman Berman and Ranking Member Ros-Lehtinen,

It has come to my attention that a resolution has been introduced in the Unites States House of Representatives regarding the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict, which I led earlier this year.

I fully respect the right of the US Congress to examine and judge my mission and the resulting report, as well as to make its recommendations to the US Executive branch of government. However, I have strong reservations about the text of the resolution in question – text that includes serious factual inaccuracies and instances where information and statements are taken grossly out of context.

I undertook this fact-finding mission in good faith, just as I undertook my responsibilities vis à vis the South African Standing Commission of Inquiry Regarding Public Violence and Intimidation, the International War Crimes Tribunal on the former Yugoslavia, the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, the International Panel of the Commission of Enquiry into the Activities of Nazism in Argentina, the Independent International Commission on Kosovo, and the Volker Committee investigation into the UN's Iraq oil-for-food program in 2004/5.

I hope that you, in similar good faith, will take the time to consider my comments about the resolution and, as a result of that consideration, make the necessary corrections.

Whereas clause #1: "Whereas, on January 12, 2009, the United Nations Human Rights Council passed Resolution A/HRC/S-9/L.1, which authorized a `fact-finding mission' regarding Israel's conduct of Operation Cast Lead against violent militants in the Gaza Strip between December 27, 2008, and January 18, 2009;"

This whereas clause ignores the fact that I and others refused this original mandate, precisely because it only called for an investigation into violations committed by Israel. The mandate given to and accepted by me and under which we worked and reported reads as follows:

". . .to investigate all violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law that might have been committed at any time in the context of the military operations that were conducted in Gaza during the period from 27 December 2008 and 18 January 2009, whether before, during or after".

Whereas clause #2: "Whereas the resolution pre-judged the outcome of its investigation, by one-sidedly mandating the `fact-finding mission' to `investigate all violations of international human rights law and

International Humanitarian Law by . . . Israel, against the Palestinian people . . . particularly in the occupied Gaza Strip, due to the current aggression'"

This whereas clause ignores the fact that the expanded mandate that I demanded and received clearly included rocket and mortar attacks on Israel and as the report makes clear was so interpreted and implemented. It was the report carried out under this broadened mandate – not the original, rejected mandate – that was adopted by the Human Rights Council and that included the serious findings made against Hamas and other militant Palestinian groups.

Whereas clause #3: "Whereas the mandate of the `fact-finding mission' makes no mention of the relentless rocket and mortar attacks, which numbered in the thousands and spanned a period of eight years, by

Hamas and other violent militant groups in Gaza against civilian targets in Israel, that necessitated Israel's defensive measures;"

This whereas clause is factually incorrect. As noted above, the expanded mandate clearly included the rocket and mortar attacks. Moreover, Chapter XXIV of the Report considers in detail the relentless rocket attacks from Gaza on Israel and the terror they caused to the people living within their range. The resulting finding made in the report is that these attacks constituted serious war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity.

Whereas clause #4: "Whereas the `fact-finding mission' included a member who, before joining the mission, had already declared Israel guilty of committing atrocities in Operation Cast Lead by signing a public letter on January 11, 2009, published in the Sunday Times, that called Israel's actions `war crimes';"

This whereas clause is misleading. It overlooks, or neglects to mention, that the member concerned, Professor Christine Chinkin of the London School of Economics, in the same letter, together with other leading international lawyers, also condemned as war crimes the Hamas rockets fired into Israel.

Whereas clause #5: "Whereas the mission's flawed and biased mandate gave serious concern to many United Nations Human Rights Council Member States which refused to support it, including Bosnia and

Herzegovina, Cameroon, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, the Republic of Korea, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland;"

This whereas clause is factually incorrect. The mandate that was given to the Mission was certainly not opposed by all or even a majority of the States to which reference is made. I am happy to provide further details if necessary.

Whereas clause #6: "Whereas the mission's flawed and biased mandate troubled many distinguished individuals who refused invitations to head the mission;"

This whereas clause is factually incorrect. The initial mandate that was rejected by others who were invited to head the mission was the same one that I rejected. The mandate I accepted was expanded by the President of the Human Rights Council as a result of conditions I made.

Whereas clause #8: "Whereas the report repeatedly made sweeping and unsubstantiated determinations that the Israeli military had deliberately attacked civilians during Operation Cast Lead;"

This whereas clause is factually incorrect. The findings included in the report are neither "sweeping" nor "unsubstantiated" and in effect reflect 188 individual interviews, review of more than 300 reports, 30 videos and 1200 photographs. Additionally, the body of the report contains a plethora of references to the information upon which the Commission relied for our findings.

Whereas clause #9: "Whereas the authors of the report, in the body of the report itself, admit that `we did not deal with the issues . . . regarding the problems of conducting military operations in civilian areas and second-guessing decisions made by soldiers and their commanding officers `in the fog of war.';"

This whereas clause is misleading. The words quoted relate to the decision we made that it would have been unfair to investigate and make finding on situations where decisions had been made by Israeli soldiers "in the fog of battle". This was a decision made in favor of, and not against, the interests of Israel.

Whereas clause #10: "Whereas in the October 16th edition of the Jewish Daily Forward, Richard Goldstone, the head of the `United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict', is quoted as saying, with respect to the mission's evidence-collection methods, `If this was a court of law, there would have been nothing proven.'"

The remark as quoted is both inaccurate and taken completely out of context. What I had explained to The Forward was that the Report itself would not constitute evidence admissible in court of law. It is my view, as jurist, that investigators would have to investigate which allegations they considered relevant. That, too, was why we recommended domestic investigations into the allegations.

Whereas clause #11: "Whereas the report, in effect, denied the State of Israel the right to self- defense, and never noted the fact that Israel had the right to defend its citizens from the repeated violent attacks committed against civilian targets in southern Israel by Hamas and other Foreign Terrorist Organizations operating from Gaza;"

It is factually incorrect to state that the Report denied Israel the right of self-defense. The report examined how that right was implemented by the standards of international law. What is commonly called ius ad bellum, the right to use military force was not considered to fall within our mandate. Israel's right to use military force was not questioned.

Whereas clause #12: "Whereas the report largely ignored the culpability of the Government of Iran and the Government of Syria, both of whom sponsor Hamas and other Foreign Terrorist Organizations;"

This whereas clause is misleading. Nowhere that I know of has it ever been suggested that the Mission should have investigated the provenance of the rockets. Such an investigation was never on the agenda, and in any event, we would not have had the facilities or capability of investigating these allegations. If the Government of Israel has requested us to investigate that issue I have no doubt that we have done our best to do so.

Whereas clause #14: "Whereas, notwithstanding a great body of evidence that Hamas and other violent Islamist groups committed war crimes by using civilians and civilian institutions, such as mosques, schools, and hospitals, as shields, the report repeatedly downplayed or cast doubt upon that claim;"

This is a sweeping and unfair characterization of the Report. I hope that the Report will be read by those tasked with considering the resolution. I note that the House resolution fails to mention that notwithstanding my repeated personal pleas to the Government of Israel, Israel refused all cooperation with the Mission. Among other things, I requested the views of Israel with regard to the implementation of the mandate and details of any issues that the Government of Israel might wish us to investigate.

This refusal meant that Israel did not offer any information or evidence it may have collected regarding actions by Hamas or other Palestinian groups in Gaza. Any omission of such information and evidence in the report is regrettable, but is the result of Israel's decision not to cooperate with the Fact-Finding mission, not a decision by the mission to downplay or cast doubt on such information and evidence.

Whereas clause #15: "Whereas in one notable instance, the report stated that it did not consider the admission of a Hamas official that Hamas often `created a human shield of women, children, the elderly and the mujahideen, against ' specifically to `constitute evidence that Hamas forced Palestinian civilians to shield military objectives against attack.';"

This whereas clause is misleading, since the quotation is taken out of context. The quotation is part of a section of the report dealing with the very narrow allegation that Hamas compelled civilians, against their will, to act as human shields. The statement by the Hamas official is repugnant and demonstrates an apparent disregard for the safety of civilians, but it is not evidence that Hamas forced civilians to remain in their homes in order to act as human shields. Indeed, while the Government of Israel has alleged publicly that Hamas used Palestinian civilians as human shields, it has not identified any cases where it claims that civilians were doing so under threat of force by Hamas or any other party.

Whereas clause #16: "Whereas Hamas was able to significantly shape the findings of the investigation mission's report by selecting and prescreening some of the witnesses and intimidating others, as the report acknowledges when it notes that `those interviewed in Gaza appeared reluctant to speak about the presence of or conduct of hostilities by the Palestinian armed groups . . . from a fear of reprisals';"

The allegation that Hamas was able to shape the findings of my report or that it pre-screened the witnesses is devoid of truth. I challenge anyone to produce evidence in support of it.

Sincerely,

Justice Richard J. Goldstone

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/rwb.nsf/db900SID/AZHU-7XF4XD?OpenDocument



More here from Judge Goldtsone: At Yale, Judge Goldstone faces down his accusers
by Philip Weiss on January 28, 2010 ·

Judge Richard Goldstone gave a speech at Yale last night and though he said he would not be talking about Gaza, his report came up again and again, and in fact the anti-Goldstoners tried to turn the event into a circus. They waved Israeli flags, and two of them held up a banner comparing the judge’s report to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the accusers of Dreyfus. A group followed the judge afterward into the wine-and-cheese on the second floor, and surrounded him and some barked at him, and though now and then the judge held up his hand and turned away at a loud voice, he seemed ready for anything, and more than held his own, and left the crowd with an education in what it means to try and advance the regime of international law.

Goldstone’s references to the report in the actual speech were pointed. It is fine if Israel wishes to evade international investigation and prosecution by doing an investigation of its own. That is a core principle of international law– complementarity– the idea that it is preferable that localities apply international standards law themselves. But that investigation must not be behind closed doors, by the military, it must be open and credible. I will get the actual quotes in a day or two.

He said that equality meant dignity; and when we deny the dignity of other human beings, we dehumanize them, and pave the way to human rights violations. The persecution of Gaza was all through that statement.

If militants are attacking you from the roof of a hospital, it does not mean that you can bomb the hospital; it means that you must take care; and yes maybe some civilians will die when you are going after the militants there, but it violates the principle of proportionality to fire missiles at the hospital. The judge spoke of a hypothetical; but it was a clear reference to the missile attacks on Al Quds Hospital in Gaza City that the Goldstone Report details–though the report never states that there were militants on the roof.



remainder here:http://mondoweiss.net/2010/01/at-yale-judge-goldstone-faces-down-his-accusers.html
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-10 08:08 PM
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20. Why does Obama have to respond point-by-point to Goldstone?
Edited on Mon May-10-10 08:09 PM by shira
This isn't enough substantial refutation?
http://www.goldstonereport.org/

I find it far more interesting that Goldstone and his fans pretend such evidence doesn't exist refuting the report.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 11:47 AM
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12. They were unhinged already. N.T.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-10 08:33 PM
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16. Had they ever been HINGED?
n/t.
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