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shergald (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 10:23 AM Original message |
J Street: Criticism of Israel does not make us the enemy |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. Does not make you whose enemy? |
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shergald (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. No disagreement here. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. They are pretty extreme and nasty, especially with some coalition partners worse than the Likud |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I agree that they are enemies of the RW government, not the state of Israel |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 12:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Jeremy Ben Ami of J-Street said that his organization's stance is like Kadima |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I think they're more like Meretz (whom I'd vote for if I was Israeli)... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. so Ben Ami wasn't honest....which goes to show why many don't trust him and his organization |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 05:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Maybe it's Kadima who are sending contradictory messages |
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shergald (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. You're absolutely right. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
3. "J Street"? Are these the religious fanatics who like adultery? |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. you are thinking of C - Street - J Street is a pro-peace, pro-Israeli lobby organization |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I think she's actually thinking of C-Street |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. you're right C-street is the somewhat secretive society of high powered fundamentalist Christians |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 12:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Ah. Told you I couldn't keep the streets straight. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. I prefer Sesame Street |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
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shergald (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-20-10 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
14. GREAT DEBATE: Ben Ami versus Norman Finkelstein. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Wrong Ben-Ami. J Street was founded by Jeremy; that's Shlomo. |
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shergald (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Thanks for the correction. |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
19. Israel doesn't do *self* criticism, how much less likely is she to do external criticism? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. That's not true. The Israeli right is constantly critical of their government. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Israel does lots of self criticism. Both on left and right. |
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shergald (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. What left are you talking about? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 05:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Gush Shalom, Btselem, Combatants for Peace, Breaking the Silence, ICAHD, Peace Now |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 10:19 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. And how much support do the groups you list (and others like them) have? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. About as much support as similar groups have in the US |
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shergald (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Miniscule then, but growing. |
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shergald (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 10:31 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I am familiar with all of them. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. How would you compare their numbers to their US equivalents? |
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shergald (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. The left wing in Israel is small, some say nonexistent. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Yes! And some others. |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-25-10 05:24 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Since when has the Right's paranoia had any logic behind it? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 10:00 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Because they're influential outside Israel, I think. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
30. i was asked by some j supporters about what israelis think of j street.... |
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shergald (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I really enjoy reading propaganda especially when it is put so deviously. |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. and thus we have the crux of the conflict. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 06:14 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. you can define my opinion as you like.... |
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shergald (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. As a matter of speaking....yes we have to move onto Apartheid and begin its discussion. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. you dont like being challenged do you.... |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-26-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. so what is your plan B or C? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-27-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Do you feel the same way about AIPAC? |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 01:54 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. There always has to be a plan b in a conflict... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 04:59 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. There wasn't any plan b for East Timor... |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-28-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. the plan b is how to get there...not the end result.... |
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