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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 06:45 AM
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Livni cancels JNF visit to UK

By Marcus Dysch, December 14, 2009
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Israeli opposition leader Tzipi Livni cancelled a visit to Britain this weekend over fears pro-Palestinian lawyers would seek to have her arrested.

Ms Livni had been due to speak at Sunday’s JNF Vision 2010 conference in Hendon, north-west London. She had also been expected to meet Prime Minister Gordon Brown for private talks.

But she pulled out of the trip for fear of lawyers obtaining an arrest warrant.

She is the latest senior Israeli politician to avoid Britain. In October, Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya’alon was advised by a special inter-departmental team working with ministers to pull out of a JNF dinner in London.

Experts on international law from the foreign and justice ministries, and the IDF Attorney-General’s department, have advised cabinet ministers with a security background and senior IDF officers not to visit Britain, Spain, Belgium or Norway, while lawyers in these countries are seeking to arrest Israelis on charges of alleged war crimes through “universal jurisdiction” laws...

more: http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/24889/livni-cancels-jnf-visit-uk
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 06:45 AM
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1. WAR CRIMINALS: Stay home! How exciting to see these developments taking place! nt
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Sezu Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-14-09 09:23 AM
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2. Stupid Brit tricks. n/t
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 01:28 AM
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4. Dumbarse American knee-jerking bullshit n/t
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 12:37 AM
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3. A warrant was issued, and then withdrawn when it became clear
that Livni had not entered the UK as planned, according to AJE.
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shira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:00 AM
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5. clear example of irrational OTT singling out / demonization of the Jewish state
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 06:00 AM by shira
"There are different accounts of the numbers of civilian deaths in Gaza, and of the ratio between civilian and militant deaths. B’Tselem, the reliable Israeli human rights organization, carefully examined names and lists of people who were killed and came up with the following ratio: Out of the 1,387 people killed in Gaza, for every militant that was killed, three civilians were killed. This ratio--1:3--holds if you include the police force among the civilians; but if you consider the police force as combatants, the ratio comes out to 2:3. There are 1.5 million people in Gaza and around 10,000 Hamas militants, so the ratio of militants to civilians is 1:150. If Israel targeted civilians intentionally, how on earth did it reduce such a ratio to 1:3 or 2:3?

The commission never asks that question, or an even more obvious one. In operating under such conditions--Gaza is an extremely densely populated area--is such a ratio a sign of reckless shooting and targeting? One way to think about this is to compare it with what other civilized armies achieve in the same sort of warfare. I do not have the exact numbers of the ratio of civilian to militant deaths in NATO’s war in Afghanistan, but I doubt that it has achieved such a ratio. Is it ten civilians to one combatant, or maybe 20 civilians to one combatant? From various accounts in the press, it certainly seems worse. The number of collateral deaths that are reported concerning the campaign to kill Baitullah Mehsud, one of the main Pakistani militant operatives, is also alarming: In 16 missile strikes in the various failed attempts at killing him, and in the one that eventually killed him (at his father-in-law’s house, in the company of his family), between 207 and 321 people were killed. If such were the numbers in Israel in a case of targeted killing, its press and even its public opinion would have been in an uproar.

Besides the 500 civilians who were killed in the bombing of Serbia, how many militants were killed? The inaccurate high-altitude bombings in Serbia, carried out in a manner so as to protect NATO pilots, caused mainly civilian deaths. What would have been the ratio of deaths if NATO forces were fighting not in faraway Afghanistan, but while protecting European citizens from ongoing shelling next to its borders? And there are still more chilling comparisons. If accurate numbers were available from the wars by Russia in Chechnya, the ratio would have been far more devastating to the civilian population. Needless to say, the behavior of the Russian army in Chechnya should hardly serve as a standard for moral scrupulousness--but I cannot avoid adducing this example after reading that Russia voted in the United Nations for the adoption of the U.N. report on Gaza. (The other human rights luminaries who voted for the Goldstone Report include China and Pakistan.) So what would be a justified proportionality? The Goldstone Report never says. But we may safely conclude that, if the legal and moral standard is current European and American behavior in war, then Israel has done pretty well."
http://www.tnr.com/article/world/the-goldstone-illusion?page=0,0
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