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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 06:06 AM
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Hamas being hammered by hypocrites among Hamas and rejectionists
Although I often make jokes about President Mahmoud Abbas, as I do all elected government officials, the truth be told is that Abbas is a far better leader than what the Palestinians have anywhere.

Abbas says he may not run for re-election, more of a reflection of his frustration with having to deal with a people gripped by emotion and anguish that are exploited by the radical Hamas and the uncompromising rejectionists and “one-staters.”

In truth, though, Abbas represents Palestine future while Hamas and the one-staters and rejectionists represent Palestine’s turbulent and failed past.

Why do they criticize Abbas? Because he is seeking to use diplomacy rather than bombs and weapons to bring about a Palestinian State.

In contrast, although Hamas and the one-staters are great at telling us what they hate and oppose, they can never seem to say what they want, other than a few pipe dreams intended to imprison the Palestinian people in the midst of their suffering and with no real hope.

Hamas spent the entire 1990s using violence to destroy he peace process and to undermine the government of the late President Yasir Arafat. Although Arafat is disparaged equally by the Israelis and the Hamas and one-staters and rejectionists, it was Arafat who saved the Palestinian people from the abyss organizing the revolution hat put Palestine back on the international map.

What is Hamas’ answer to peace? Continued conflict and rejection. Rejection is in fact what brings the religious fanatics and the secular one-staters and rejectionists together. They know what they don’t want but they can only talk in poetic missives about what they hope to achieve, forget for the moment that what they hope to achieve is the impossible.

http://palestinenote.com/cs/blogs/blogs/archive/2009/11/16/hamas-being-hammered-by-hypocrites-among-hamas-and-rejectionists.aspx
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 08:07 AM
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1. And yet posters here defend violence and conflict and
wishes for Hamas to 'rule'.

Abbas, who really would like to forge peace, is seen as a "stooge".

Sad that violence is seen as better than non-violence among the Palestinian supporters.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 01:03 PM
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2. There is no such thing as 'the' Palestinian supporters
Palestinians, and their supporters, are very deeply divided - which is indeed part of the problem.

I don't think all that many Palestinians wish Hamas to 'rule' any more; some do, but there is a lot of disillusionment.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 01:06 PM
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3. Interesting article!
Very true that 'although Hamas and the one-staters are great at telling us what they hate and oppose, they can never seem to say what they want'. One of the very big problems here! I don't know whether it's accurate that Abbas is better than any other Palestinian possibility; I suspect not. But at any rate he is better than Hamas.
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bstender Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 02:46 PM
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4. that blogger is a shill
"I applaud and urge Abbas to reconsider. And if he doesn’t run, I will if only to elevate the virtues of the two state solution which is our only real hope as Palestinians."

say no more, you are no leader, for Palestinians or for peace.


"The critics argue that the two state solution will only create a Palestinian State that is subservient and controlled by Israel. Is that any worse than the Israeli occupation emboldened by the policies of Hamas and the rejectionists?"

Great leadership! "hey guys, you can't win, just bend over and accept your fate already!" (whatta douche)
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 03:06 PM
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5. Have you not heard of Ray Hanania before?
His writings have been cited here before.

To wit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x293713

I think his claim about running is tongue-in-cheek. He is, after all, a stand up comedian.
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bstender Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 03:38 PM
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6.  i did see that post now that you mention it
hadnt heard of him before. that one had more of an idealistic tone than this. not very funny.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:06 PM
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7. Hanania isn't going to run; that is rhetoric
A pity perhaps, as this comedian would probably be a lot better than most of the real candidates. The Al Franken of Palestine one day perhaps? - but no, there's no chance of his actually running.
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bstender Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 04:37 PM
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8. the point is not if HE is running
of course he isnt running. the point is that he is advocating a traitorous platform for Palestinians. obviously tailored for American public meme management.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:42 PM
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12. i always love the tolerance one finds here....disagree...he must be a traitor..
and this is coming from someone who is not even a Palestinian.....i guess this goes in the "holier than thou" category....

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aranthus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 06:08 PM
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10. So anyone who wants a two state solution can't be a Palestinian leader or peacemaker?
"I applaud and urge Abbas to reconsider. And if he doesn’t run, I will if only to elevate the virtues of the two state solution which is our only real hope as Palestinians."

by you>say no more, you are no leader, for Palestinians or for peace.

Is that what you mean by this?
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bstender Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 07:42 PM
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11. no, his premises are the problem
my reaction is to this: "the two state solution which is our only real hope as Palestinians" this statement reveals the treason due to its acceptance of dominance. my reply applies to anyone taking that position of weakness.

but to answer your question, no, i don't think two state is a complete non-starter if everything was 100% equitable and agreeable by legitimate Palestinian leadership, (which must include Hamas), but in the real world i believe that one state is the only viable solution. i'm also pretty sure that is what will come to pass.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 05:31 PM
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9. It's unforunate that Hanania doesn't seem too interested in facts.
There needs to be dialogue among those who support Abbas and those who support Hamas.... all of whom are within the Palestinian political spectrum. It's painful to see a Palestinian, even a very Americanized one, use the same meaningless nonsense language that pro-Israel writers use.
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