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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:40 AM
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Why Holocaust Denial Is on the Rise in the Arab World (Truthout)
Q: Gilbert Achcar, your book's subtitle is: "The Israeli-Arab War of Narratives." What do you mean?

A: It's about the war that opposes two entirely symmetrical visions of the origins of the conflict. Specifically, I refer here to the notion of "narrative" as the recitation of history as developed by post-modernism. The Israeli narrative describes an Israel that emerges as a reaction to anti-Semitism, beside the "Biblical rights" invoked by religious Zionists. And its justification by European anti-Semitism is extended to Arabs, who are presented as accomplices to this paroxysm of anti-Semitism that was Nazism - which would legitimate the birth of the State of Israel on lands conquered from the population of Arab descent. That's why the Israeli narrative insists to such a degree on this character, Amin al-Husseini, blown up out of all proportion, who became the ex-grand mufti of Jerusalem.

On the Arab side, the most rational narrative - later we'll mention the denialist escalations that are on the rise at present - may perhaps be summarized in these terms, "We had nothing to do with the Shoah. Anti-Semitism is not an established tradition for us, but a European phenomenon. Zionism is a colonial movement that really took off in Palestine under the British colonial mandate, even though there were earlier instances. In consequence, it's a colonial implantation in the Arab world, on the model of what was seen in South Africa and elsewhere." It's the war between these two narratives that I explore in this book.

(snip)

I show in my book how the man who may be considered the main founder of modern Islamic fundamentalism, Rachid Rida, switched from a pro-Jewish attitude due to anti-Christianity - especially during the Dreyfus Affair, when he denounced anti-Judaism in Europe - to an attitude that, towards the end of the 1920's, began to repeat an anti-Semitic discourse of Western inspiration, including the big Nazi anti-Semitic narrative attributing all kinds of things to the Jews in continuity with the fake Russian "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," including responsibility for the First World War. Then we see a graft occur between certain Western anti-Semitic discourse and Islamic fundamentalism which veers in that direction on this question because of what was happening in Palestine. Before the conflict turned ugly in Palestine, this same Rachid Rida tried to dialogue with representatives of the Zionist movement to convince them to form an alliance between Jews and Muslims to confront the Christian West as a colonial power. From that anti-colonialism that determines anti-Westernism, they were to move on to anti-Zionism, which, in the case of a fundamentalist religious mentality, combined very easily with anti-Semitism.

With that said, the signs of anti-Judaism that one finds in Islam, one finds a hundredfold in Christianity, and in Catholicism in particular, with the idea of the Jews as deicides, the Jews responsible for the death of Jesus, the son of God. This anti-Jewish charge contained in Christianity has, moreover, resulted in a persecution of the Jews in the history of the West incomparably worse than was the case in Islamic countries. We have seen, for example, how Jews of the Iberian Peninsula, fleeing the Christian Reconquista and the Inquisition, found refuge in the Muslim world, in North Africa, Turkey and elsewhere.

http://www.truthout.org/1112096
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bstender Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:04 PM
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1. so nice to read reasonable words on the situation
truly the "path of gold"

"Connections between Arabs and Jews exist today and in the end must favor recognition of the Holocaust and of the Nakba. Israelis' recognition of the latter is more difficult because it implies recognition of their own responsibility, with the direct implications you can imagine, and which would lead to an attitude radically opposed to that of Israeli governments up to now. Yet that recognition of the Nakba by Israel is today an indispensable step towards achieving a true settlement of this conflict that has gone on for too long."
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:11 PM
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2. The disconnect between the narratives is crucial and never discussed
Is Israel a "Western" nation or a "Middle Eastern" one? Or both? Or neither? I don't even know that there are data on what people in the region actually think about a simple question like that.
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bstender Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:25 PM
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3. i'd say "Western"... colonial project!
the problem starts and ends there.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:28 PM
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4. OK, but Israelis don't see it that way
And simply shouting at them "you are a Western colonial nation" (which is what I think too) is pointless, because foreigners' views of what another nation is are kind of irrelevant.

*shrug* I have friends on both sides of the Wall. The Israelis literally don't believe that the Palestinians think of the Israelis as Europeans, and the Palestinians don't believe the Israelis think of themselves as Middle Easterners. Maybe negotiations should talk about that first rather than about borders or water rights.
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bstender Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:38 PM
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5. very true
what i or any foreigner thinks is mostly pointless, sorta like voting is, but at the same time, both sides are very sensitive to foreign opinion.

though no substitute for the locals opinions, for sure.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:42 PM
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6. You honestly believe that?
You believe that Israel itself is a Western colonial project? What country is Israel a colony of? Are you aware that the majority of people who live in Israel are of Middle Eastern descent?

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:48 PM
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7. As I say to my Israeli and Palestinian friends when they ask with that same disbelief
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 03:50 PM by Recursion
Yes, they (whoever the "other side" is) really believe that (whatever "that" is), and there's not some datum or old map or Wikipedia article that is going to change that. Both sides have proved themselves willing to kill and die over these questions, yet despite that each somehow doubts the other is sincere in that belief.

Are you aware that the majority of people who live in Israel are of Middle Eastern descent?

And there's the rub. What does it mean to be "of Middle Eastern descent"?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:04 PM
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8. With respect to your question
Of Middle Eastern descent means that their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents were born in the Middle East. I am defining the Middle East as the region extending west to east from Libya to Pakistan and south to north from Yemen to Turkey.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:08 PM
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9. So you're counting the children of, say, Russian immigrants? NT
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 05:58 PM
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10. No I am not counting those folks
Isn't Russia north of Turkey?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 06:00 PM
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11. Sorry! I meant "grandchildren". NT
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 06:02 PM
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12. No; the reference is to the children and grandchildren of immigrants from places like Iraq, Yemen,
Iran, Morocco, etc. etc.
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bstender Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 06:45 PM
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13. yes
how would you classify?

and as an aside, that demographic claim is dubious, even at this late date.
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