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henank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 09:13 AM Original message |
Jenin orchestra shut down after playing for survivors |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sigh |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I agree wiith you |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. I know I have the minority view here... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #3 |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Utter nonsense. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Yet there is only one way to overcome hate |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Are you asking the children of Jenin, flattened 7 years ago, to forgive?? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. The point is here, it isn't the children who refused to play for the Israelis |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Do you think Palestinian children are like American children? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. The group has played in Israel several times before |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. I found this quote from a survivor very telling... |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I have no idea what you are reacting to in that quote |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Asl though the onus of understanding in that situation... where those mature adults |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. You don't think young Palestinians should learn about the Holocaust? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Don't you think adult Jews in Israel should learn about the reality of their occupation? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:56 AM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Of course they should. But why do you assume that this concert works against that goal? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #36 |
64. Yes, Israel has oppressed the Palestinians. This concert wasn't part of the oppression. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:55 AM Response to Reply #64 |
123. Ken , you do not have all the facts. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
61. You would agree that Palestinian children and the whole Palestinian movement |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. Yes |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 08:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. As with any abuser, forgiveness absent of repentance is pointless, don't you think? |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:56 AM Response to Reply #49 |
93. No |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:01 AM Response to Reply #93 |
124. Do you expect sexually abused children to forgive their abusers while the crimes are ongoing? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
60. You know those elderly people themselves bear no blame for what was done to Jenin |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:52 AM Response to Reply #9 |
62. Doing this concert does NOT mean forgiving what was done to the children of Jenin |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. "One big difference is that the Palestinians had to return to the camp after they entertained." |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 10:53 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Strongly agree |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 11:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. How sad if a group of kids, who don't even know what's what -- have to be paraded in front |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Well again, what you are characterizing as pathetic is another reason |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
117. Yes it is so touching and sweet |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. The boys words are much more than sweet and dear of heart. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. The kid gets part of it |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. "I'm here to raise spirits," Younis said. "These are poor, old people." |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Tell that to the IDF! |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 01:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Huh? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. The contact and exchange is useless within the context of the Occupation |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I disagree that the exchange is useless, the fact that the children |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. It is truly shocking. |
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Sezu (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Interesting narcissism on your part. n/t |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Less interesting to me. But then, I'm used to it. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #45 |
68. Uninteresting meaningless statement of derision on yours. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:05 AM Response to Reply #19 |
65. I agree that the kids should not have had to go back to the camp |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:04 AM Response to Reply #65 |
78. They think the Holocaust is "political" |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:36 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. I really doubt that it's "most". |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:40 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I don't know the number or percentage of Arab/Palestinian Holocaust deniers |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Let's not say 'many'. Let's say you have no idea...n/t |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Of course it is many (many, many, in fact) |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Veggie: 'I don't know the number or percentage of Arab/Palestinian Holocaust deniers' |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I am sure you will be happy to read my post about all the many deniers |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Clearly yr having problems reading my posts... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #99 |
106. I said MANY, many Arabs and Palestinians are Holocaust deniers |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:44 AM Response to Reply #106 |
109. You said you didn't know how many... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. I don't hate anyone but liars and hypocrites |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #110 |
113. A self-hating liar? |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Yr right violet, what can I say? Yr right! |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:26 AM Response to Reply #91 |
98. Here, I will make it easy for you |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Didn't quite catch the numbers there, Veggie... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:33 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Do you deny these quotes? |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Do you bother reading any response to you? |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I said many, many Arabs and Palestinians are Holocaust deniers |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. And you provided no proof of that.... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Of course there was proof |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #108 |
111. No there was no proof.... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Ok, Violet, if that helps you sleep at night! |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Nothing to do with sleep. I'm just pointing out the bleeding obvious...n/t |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:03 AM Response to Reply #65 |
126. Ken, I don't think the critics mean the Hologcaust is political, but rather that the way the |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
92. so... arrogant |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:58 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. so,,,,hypocritical... |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #94 |
116. You think? well, let's see... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #116 |
125. Yeah, I think what yr saying is bullshit... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. So in the spirit of mutual exchange |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. What was mutual about this? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. The orchestra director herself requested permission to give this performance |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. That's why it's being disbanded. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
69. Then it would have been enough to criticize the orchestra leader for that. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 07:05 AM Response to Reply #69 |
127. I agree that the group should be allowed to play, but that they DEFINITELY need new leadership. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 04:01 PM Response to Reply #26 |
118. Well that was kind of my point n/t |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 11:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. I am shocked and saddened by your views on this |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 11:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Trotting out a group of children, to entertain the occupiers is inappropriate on every level. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I can see why you feel as you do. |
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GoesTo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Collaboration, Appeasement, Kow Tow, Prostration, Capitulation |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Something not mentioned in the article |
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henank (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. You consider that people living in Holon are occupiers? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Every citizen in Israel bears responsibility for the ongoing violent military institution. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
70. Even old age pensioners with numbers tattooed on their arms? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:08 AM Response to Reply #38 |
80. I emphatically disagree with that... |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #80 |
90. I disagree. I belive that in a democracy all citizens are responsible for the actions of |
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shira (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #90 |
120. do you hold Palestinians to that standard, in their "democracy"? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-31-09 05:54 AM Response to Reply #120 |
122. Unfortuantely, Israel has not allowed Palestine the luxury of a representative democracy. |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. Depends on the children and the Afrikaners, doesn't it? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Do you think those elderly Israelis bear no responsibility for Israel's ongoing occupation? |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
71. They may bear some responsibility(depending on what they themselves did back in the day |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
59. That analogy SO doesn't work |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
27. Hoping those who express their sadness will answer this question: |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. If a Black South African youth orchestra conductor asked if his/her group could perform |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. OMG. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 05:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Jews in camps playing for Nazis? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. I guess so. Victims entertaining oppressors, in ANY situation, is inappropriate. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
42. Why does it matter who stops the hatred first? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. The so-called "hatred" won't stop until the behavior that creates it stops. |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. And nothing else in between is acceptable? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Truthfully, I think |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 10:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I said I would comment no more, but here I feel I must add one |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #54 |
73. "Those poor kids in Jenin have nothing..." |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 05:33 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I hear what you're saying. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:34 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. I'm glad to hear that. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:27 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Let me be clear: I am a 100% believer in the value of the arts for building bridges. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
72. That's nothing like this situation |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:06 AM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Not only that |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
44. Well, I must say this interest in the musical abilities of Palestinian children is ecouraging. |
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lwiz2003 (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Palestinian orchestra |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. The goal is not "improvement of Palestinians lives." The goal is freedom -- |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #52 |
66. I can agree with a lot of what you say in that post. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-29-09 10:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Eh, welcome to DU. |
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lwiz2003 (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. palestinian orchestra |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 03:28 AM Response to Reply #47 |
74. Very interesting and inspiring post |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 05:51 AM Response to Reply #47 |
77. I think you covered just about everything I was thinking... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 12:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
58. Well they could be training as minstrals of sorts n/t |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 05:34 AM Response to Reply #58 |
76. It's a shame we can't talk about the 2 different ways this is viewed, rather than just be "shocked" |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:08 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. The shock comes from your attitude |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:44 AM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Oh Veggie! I have so missed you... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:46 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Deleted message |
Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 07:17 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. She doesn't have supporters and she hasn't driven anyone away... |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #88 |
95. So speaks the most disagreeable person on this forum! |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 08:22 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Coming from the most ignorant troll on the forum, I can't say I'm worried what you think... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 06:08 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Talking about how *shocked!!!!* we are makes it so we don't have to talk about anything else... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-30-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #44 |
67. With you on that one. |
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