One State, Two People

[Equinox]

One State, Two People

By Ali Abunimah

The Electronic Intifada
17 October 2003

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While Israel was conceived as a state for Jews, Edward Said explained in 1999, the "effort to separate (Israelis and Palestinians) has occurred simultaneously and paradoxically with the effort to take more and more land, which has in turn meant that Israel has acquired more and more Palestinians." The result is that Israel can in the long run only remain a "Jewish state" through apartheid or, as some Israeli Cabinet ministers demand, ethnic cleansing.

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Recognizing years ago the implications of the intertwined population and complex geography that Israeli colonization has created, Said wrote that "the question is not how to devise means for persisting in trying to separate," Israelis and Palestinians, "but to see whether it is possible for them to live together as fairly and peacefully as possible." Said believed that the way to achieve this is in a single state.

While Said's logic and vision were irresistible, the strongest counterargument was the pragmatic one: that something like peace could be most quickly achieved through ending the occupation and establishing a state for Palestinians in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza. Moreover, an international consensus and framework of international law contemplating this outcome had been painstakingly built over three decades. To discard it, many Palestinians feared, would have been to take a leap into the unknown.

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The only way to rob the Israeli colonization project of its raison d'etre is not to continue to throw ourselves into the path of a superior force, or to continue to plead with the United States, but to render the motive of territorial conquest irrelevant. In one state, all people will be able to live wherever they want, provided they obtain their homes legally on the same basis as everyone else, not through force and land theft. In other words, we have to break the link between sovereignty, ethnicity and geography within Palestine.

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From: CounterCurrents

Edit: Trimmed down snipped portion. Please read the whole article at the link

[Muddleoftheroad]

1. Wrong

It claims his logic and vision were irresistible.

I'm resisting and it takes no effort whatsoever.

It is an ill-conceived and ridiculous concept.

[Equinox]

2. Why?

Because you say so?

:shrug:

[Muddleoftheroad]

5. Because it fails to take into account the real world

Hence, unrealistic.

In the real world, this will not happen. Although I think I have finally figured out the strategy.

The idea is to try and scare Israel with constant talk of a one-state solution to try and force Israel to do anything to prevent that from happening.

When in reality it won't happen. And the only way the Palestinians will get a state is with Israeli approval.

[Classical_Liberal]

7. It's working. Perle is now fighting for the two state solution

instead of mollycoddling ethnic cleansers, and settlers. Keep it up guys!

[Violet_Crumble]

9. In the real world

No-one predicted the breaking up of the Soviet Union and the end of the bipolar world order. Analysts would have told you beforehand that it wouldn't happen. Same with 9/11. Because of their misplaced faith in the impenetrability of Fortess USA, most folk would have told you that in the real world terrorists would never be able to hijack multiple passenger planes and fly them into various high profile, and in hindsight, very easy to hit buildings. The fall of Singapore? In the real world prior to its fall it was never going to happen. I think it's a mistake to say that something will never happen because in the past things do happen that people have exerted a lot of time and energy saying will never happen....

Violet...

[Muddleoftheroad]

11. Predictions

Tons of people predicted the end of the Soviet empire. And though no one specifically predicted 9/11, an attack on the U.S. by terrorists was relatively inevitible given the world climate that tolerates such animals.

Predictions, still, are like the old saying, "everybody has one."

[Violet_Crumble]

12. Like who?

Not one single analyst of world affairs predicted the end of the Soviet Union. The US was still formulating its foreign policy with the USSR in the picture and was taken by surprise as was everyone else. Can you give me some links to some info on these tons of people because there's someone who's been giving me a bum steer on this if yr right....

Violet...

[Muddleoftheroad]

13. It was discussed

By pundits and politicians here in the U.S. all the time. I lived through it, so links are impossible for me on that one.

[Violet_Crumble]

15. Bullshit it was...

The breakup of the Soviet Union was NOT predicted by any of those you mentioned in the US. Are you sure yr not confusing the conservative line of 'We Will Crush Them Commie Bastards' trotted out every five seconds since the start of the Cold War with predictions of the internal breakup of the Soviet Union? No offense, but when it comes to a choice between yr 'I remember hearing it' and what's said by experts in international relations about how it wasn't predicted, I'm going to do the wise thing and stick with them...

Violet...

[Violet_Crumble]

18. Here's something about the lack of prediction...

It's from a book called 'The Globalization of World Politics' and it's a chapter by R. Crockatt called 'The End of the Cold War.'

Among the most striking features of communism's collapse was its suddenness, a surprise as much to most Western experts on the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe as to political leaders and the public. One Western Soviet expert, whose views are fairly representative, wrote in a study published in 1986, that 'it is unlikely that the (Soviet) state is now, or will be in the late 1980's, in danger of social or political disintegration....'

Violet...

[Violet_Crumble]

23. Yoo hoo! Muddle!

Got anything to say about this particular example of saying something will never happen?

Violet...

[The Magistrate]

42. Mr. George Kennan, Ma'am

Writing as "Mr. X" in his origional proposal for a policy of "containment" shortly after World War Two, proved rather prescient in this regard. He clearly indicated the matter would take decades, with the eventuating collapse occuring rather suddenly, when it did occur.

It was clear to sensible observers that Mr. Gorbachev's attempts at reform were inaugurating a most dangerous passage for the Soviet order: opening up an authoritarian system ranks right up there with transition from Republic to Empire as a political transition seldom negotiated successfully.

[Violet_Crumble]

45. Are you talking about his telegram from Moscow?

If it is, I've only had a quick squizz at it even though it's something I've got to read properly before exams start. I got the impression from what I did read that he was more concerned with containing the Soviets and believed that they had no intention of expanding westward in Europe, but he hadn't really gone into long-term predictions. But considering some of the things he did get right, it wouldn't surprise me if he also got the disintegration of the USSR right as well...

Violet...

[Gimel]

33. Political experts don't predict changes

People who predict did predict the end of the Soviet Union. Those who predict foresaw terror strikes hitting the US.

[Violet_Crumble]

44. They most certainly do...

And I suspect the Magistrate was correct when he told me that George Kennan had predicted it. I remember reading about a guy from the US State Department who correctly predicted what was going to happen in Rwanda based on his expert knowledge of the country....


People who predict? We're not talking about clairvoyents here, Gimel....


Violet...

[Gimel]

46. Neither am I. eom

[Violet_Crumble]

47. Then what are you talking about?

Obviously not political experts...

Violet...

[Muddleoftheroad]

19. No I am sure

Lots of talk about the economy of the Soviet Union as it spiraled into the dirt. One of the big questions was whether it would implode or explode. Fortunately, it was the former.

You are welcome to make your choice. But I was here.

[Violet_Crumble]

21. Okay, so those IR experts are full of bullshit obviously...

The collapse of the Soviet Union was sudden, but I'm sure there was commentary on it AS it was happening, not BEFORE. And if yr saying there was lots of talk about it collapsing BEFORE then yr either mistaken in yr recollections or making up stories, though I have no idea what the motive would be for doing so other than to maybe lay claim to Reagan and his tough stance being responsible for it and he'd known in advance what was going to happen?

Violet...

[Muddleoftheroad]

22. They are focusing only on similar experts

And not discussing politicians and pundits I bet.

There were predictions it would collapse for years. And I have no motive, but you asked, so there it is.

[Violet_Crumble]

25. No, they weren't...

There were NO predictions for years that it would collapse. It came as a shock to everyone, policy-makers, politicians, and it seems everyone in the public but you. If what you say is the case, there'd be a slew of articles etc discussing how clever everyone was to predict it happening, but of course there's not because people didn't predict it. Gorbachov had no intention of the USSR collapsing, and unless someone could have predicted he'd come along and set the wheels in motion that ended up moving out of his control there's no way anyone could have predicted it. Hell, how could they have when the economic state of the USSR was a closely guarded secret for so many years? If there'd been a prediction of probably the most world-changing event of the 20th century, don't you think there would have been some forward planning on what to do after its demise? The collapse of the USSR left a fair bit of chaos behind. I would have thought if all these US politicians predicted it they would have been prepared with a new post Cold War foreign policy instead of being caught out the way everyone was...

Violet...

[Muddleoftheroad]

28. Fine

You are always correct. You are right in all things, especially things that go on in America while you are not here.

[Violet_Crumble]

30. Don't go getting snotty on me now...

I didn't say I was always correct, so knock it off. I asked you to supply links to articles discussing the US predictions that the Soviet Union would collapse. After all, if what you claimed was true, they'd be easy to find. I showed you how easy it was to come up with a citation on the lack of prediction of the collapse - y'know, that post you totally ignored? All I got from you was 'it is because I remember'. It's got nothing to do with where someone lives, though many of the folk who talk about how it wasn't predicted are in the US. It was an event that had global ramifications. You didn't address any of the points I made or questions I asked, btw, which makes me even more doubtful about the credibility of what you have to say....

Violet...

[bluesoul]

31. Well

As for those living somewhere, I live in Slovenia which was part (under Yugoslavia) of that block and no one ever imagined the USSR disintegrating or Yugoslavia breaking up. So much for the predictions..

[Gimel]

40. Nice work, bluesoul

Yugoslavia was an after effect that wasn't imaginable. The Jewish student who stood in front line against the soviet tank won the revolution for the world. As a consequence, millions of people fled the soviet union. One million moved to Israel. The rest to the US and Germany.

[Sesquipedalian]

41. it was the exact opposite of what "Team B" said at the time

"Team B" was composed of Perle and a number of other minor functionaries who were paid to create fictions about how the Soviet Union wasn't disintegrating but was becoming a greater and greater menace.

Of course all these liars are now under the employment of Bush the Lesser and their presence explains everything you need to know about Iraq and the like.

I don't remember anyone seriously saying "Team B" was completely full of shit outside the usual "leftist retards" who have an annoying tendency to wind up being right.

[Fight_n_back]

3. From the headline

I thought it was about Wyoming.

[Equinox]

4. LOL...

That was actually funny!

YOu do have a sense of humor.

:-)

[Violet_Crumble]

10. I need it explained to me, I think...

Is Wyoming a very sparsely populated state? If it is, I got the joke and it was pretty cute...

Violet...

[Jim Sagle]

6. One State, Two People, No Way.

[Classical_Liberal]

8. and what do you propose as an alternative?

?

[Equinox]

14. Classical_Liberal....

I found this very interesting. Still don't know why they have to put restrictions..but it would allay the fears of many Jewish Israelis.

Admin, I don't believe there's a copyright on this. If there is, please edit. Thanks.

RESOLUTION FOR A ONE-STATE SOLUTION FOR THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN CONFLICT
BASED ON COMPLEMENTARY BIBLICAL AND HUMANITARIAN PRINCIPLES


The undersigned support a one-state solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This state would be under the aegis of Israel, with a Jewish Prime Minister and majority in Knesset guaranteed, and with full rights and protections under the law guaranteed for all citizens, Jewish or non-Jewish.


This resolution is based on the following Biblical principles:

• The Jewish people have an eternal and irrevocable covenant with God through Abraham (Gen 17:1–21).
• Oversight of the land of Israel—God's land—to all of its borders, has been promised by God to only one people, the Jewish people, by an irrevocable but conditional covenant detailed in the Mosaic law (Lev 26).
• Along with the continued control of the land of Israel is the mandate that its rulers convey fair and just treatment and protection to all people, both Jews and non-Jews, who live under their jurisdiction (Deut 10:19; Lev 19:33-34; Exod 22:22; Mal 3:5). The land was to be divided into separate tribes under a central government, each with their own identity and authority, with the non-Israelites enjoying a well-defined, land-based inheritance within the borders of the tribes, and being treated as the rest of the citizens (Ezek 47:21–23).
• Both Jews and non-Jews must acknowledge and abide by the laws of the Land (Num 15:15-16, 29-31).
• The Biblical principles of peace, justice, respect for others, and love must be taught as governing principles for those living in greater Israel (Micah 6:8).
• Both Jews and non-Jews will experience God's blessing as they work together according to Biblical principles to live in peace under Israeli sovereignty (Lev 26).


This resolution is equally and correspondingly based on the following humanitarian principles:

• The world recognizes the distinctive nature of the Jewish people.
• The League of Nations in 1917 and the United Nations in 1948 encouraged the establishment of the autonomous Jewish state of Israel in order to protect and provide for the continued existence of the Jewish people within secure borders.
• Israel must draft a constitution that the Government of the State must remain Jewish at its core. This can be implemented by setting a ceiling on the number of seats in the main Israeli parliament to be occupied by non-Jewish members. In order to tend to the needs of the overall population a bicameral legislature could be created similar to that of western democracies. In which case a second house of legislature would stand to represent the various regional, tribal and religious divisions within the nation (similar to representation by territories, states, counties and districts in other democracies).
• The autonomous state of Israel must deal justly with both Jews and non-Jews living under its aegis, providing equal rights for all and protection under the law. Regionally administered areas (like counties and states within a union) will have wide ranging authority to legislate on local issues but must remain within the guidelines of the central (or "federal") government.
• All those living under Israel's rule, Jew and non-Jew alike, must abide by those laws. Those unwilling to live under the government of a Jewish State will be provided with the choice to either leave or be prosecuted under Israeli law.
• An intensive educational program to curb ethnic prejudice and to promote healing, peace, mutual respect and understanding among the various ethnic and religious groups throughout Israel must be implemented.
• A "Marshall Plan" plan must be instituted to rebuild the property and economy throughout the land, taking into account the needs and losses of all of the people throughout the land as one nation. As a result, Jews, Moslems and Christians will be able to live in Israel and share its resources, in cooperation and dignity, and be allowed to draw from it sustenance both severally and as a united people under the law.


International Coalition for a One State Solution

See: "One Nation, Unified to Serve as a Light to all Nations"

Letters:

Letter to President Bush

Letter to PM Ariel Sharon

Snippet from Letter to PM Ariel Sharon:

The following letter is based upon Biblical principles and parallel humanitarian concerns:

Dear Prime Minister Sharon,

There is a viable solution for peace between Israel and the Palestinians. It is not found in the two-state solution, which has proven itself unworkable for reasons delineated herein. We are not critics without an alternative. There is a plan that will work – a One-State Solution under Jewish sovereignty. Sources in the Palestinian community indicate that 60-90% of the Palestinians would accept the plan. It has been written for 4,000 years in the Bible as God’s plan for Israel’s coexistence with non-Jewish neighbors. The world has clamored for a man-made, two-state plan that will not work. Now, there must be a change in this approach. World leaders need to make a bold step, endorsing a new approach that can bring a just and lasting peace to all parties. God has already blessed it, so it is destined to succeed. Read on to understand a viable "road map" that actually arrives at a desired destination for all.

In May of 1948, a major miracle of God was manifested on earth with the creation of the State of Israel. For the first time in two thousand years the Jewish people were awarded sovereign control of the land Divinely appointed to be His own, and given to the people chosen by Him to be caretakers of His property. It is a small, humble piece of real estate that God has chosen from all of the earth to be the sole portion which He would designate for Himself. He chose a small, pastoral people, seemingly insignificant among the great powers of the earth, to be the sole caretakers of the Land of His choosing.

Although this Land holds a sacred place in the beliefs of the three monotheistic faiths, yet God chose only one people to inherit this land as an eternal possession. With only one people did God make a covenant as a binding contract to ensure the proper care of this land and its inhabitants as He Himself would care for them. According to that covenant, the people of Israel would be blessed in the land and live off the bountiful produce of the land as an eternal inheritance, if they would only remain faithful to the terms of that covenant.

Also see various documents of interest:

Various Documents of Interest

This includes:

•The Israeli Declaration of Independence

•Draft of the Israeli Constitution

•Laws Concerning the Protection of Holy Places in Israel

•Rights According to the Israeli Declaration of Independence

•Biblical Injunctions Concerning the Rights of a Stranger

•Excerpts from the Palestinian Draft Constitution

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[Muddleoftheroad]

32. I have read the information before

I was not new to us, perhaps it is new to you.

Your personal attack on me notwithstanding, this will not fly.

[edzontar]

55. Deleted.....

All this deletion leaves my head in a muddle!!!!

What was going on here?

[Equinox]

34. You obviously haven't read the "preceeding post"

You might want to do that before you comment on it.

:eyes:

[Cassandra]

26. I find interesting and self-serving...

the endless concern that "that Israel can in the long run only remain a "Jewish state" through apartheid", but never transfers that concern to Muslim states who really do ethnically cleanse and have a death penalty on the books for converting away from Islam. Where is the concern of Arab scholars for the mess in their own house? It's so much easier to point a finger at Israel than to deal with their own problems.

[Gimel]

27. Bravo! eom

[Classical_Liberal]

35. There problem is history. Israel's mess is today

Furthermore the Arabs only started kicking out Jews after the Israeli state was formed, and after it started kicking out Arabs. There is evidence that Israel deliberately agitated the persicution of jews in Arab countries in order to drive up it's population. Certainly this is what many Iraqi Jews think.

[Cassandra]

36. On the contrary

The mess in Arab and Muslim countries is very much today. If Israel could manage to solve their problem with the Palestinians tomorrow, the Arab states would still have their intractable problems for the forseeable future.

[Classical_Liberal]

43. The problems of the Arabs and their lack of democracy aren't really

my problem as an American. They aren't really israel's problem since that is not why Arabs and muslims don't like them. A democratically elected leader of Malaysia made the antisemtic remarks the other day. The democracy in Egypt always has everyone's hackles up. Israel's occupation the west bank is my problem. because that is the main reason why there is terrorism against my country. It is also my problem because Israel's supporters demand we back them up on their bad policies, with money.

[Cassandra]

48. The problems of the Arabs and their lack of democracy are really

your problem, and there are nearly 3000 people who would tell you that if they were still alive to be asked.
" Israel's occupation the west bank is my problem. because that is the main reason why there is terrorism against my country."
It is Muslim propaganda that the occupation is the main reason for terrorism. The Muslim states would much rather point a finger at Israel and the US than deal with their own failings as leaders. Just because they claim this doesn't make it the truth. I am very uncomfortable having to support Sharon's policies when I just want to support Israel, but Sharon was not elected in a vacuum but in response to terrorism. You might notice the government we have. It's just as bad and we don't even have terrorism to use as an excuse for why * is in office.

[bluesoul]

49. What?

What do the Palestinians or the rest of the 1,2 billion Muslims around the world have to do with 9/11? So this is now a general Muslim worldwide responsibility for the attacks? One would wonder..

[Cassandra]

52. Their only relationship to 9/11...

is whatever their leaders would like to claim instead of looking at some of the root causes of their own problems. They've been pointing a finger at the US and Israel for decades. It's not that they have NO justification for being angry, but that that does not excuse or cure the poverty, corruption and lack of progress in their own societies, all of which not only holds their societies back but also helps breed willing terrorists. If you really think that solving the I/P situation would magically cure what ails the rest of the Muslim states, then you are just adding to their hopelessness.

[bluesoul]

53. Didn't say that

I didn't say it would. We're talking about Palestinians and the situation they are in here not the economical situation of other countries...

[Classical_Liberal]

54. The root cause is Arab anger at the what Israel is doing to the

Palestinians. There is no other reason. America isn't in the middle east. If they attacked us for our democracy why the hell didn't they attack Turkey? It's closer. The European democracies are closer too. Furthermore if it is the cause of their anger whey won't Israel let them ALL vote. Israel could always lead by example. The fact is the Israelis are the ones spreading propaganda as evidenced by these very facts. The Israelis public voted for Sharon, because they aren't the serious about getting out of the West Bank, and clearly they had an American President that would support their folly.

[Equinox]

57. I would think that the Arab world "hates" Israel....

for what it's doing in the occupied territories and hates the US for the unbalanced foreign policy by installing or ensuring despots and dictators throughout the Arab/Muslim world while steadfastly supporting (UN wise and monetaraily) Israel's oppression in the OTs.

That's just my opinion.....

[Equinox]

56. Protocols of the Learned Elders of Mecca...

don't you know?

:eyes:

[Sesquipedalian]

38. the "kicked out" is misleading

Back when Israel was "rescuing" these people, there was no talk about them being expelled, it was reported as a heroic effort to gather Jews for settlement in Israel and stories about their second class treatment in Arab countries were common but no one at the time tried to claim they were being forcibly expelled for the most part.

Israel had to bribe the Shah in order to get him to revoke Jewish citizenship in Iran for a sizable part of the population in order to secure more citizenry.

All this talk of mass explusions is of fairly recent historical provenance and this was pointed out rather gently in Jehoshua Porath's review of Joan Peter's work which has been getting a new beat down lately.

[Equinox]

39. Here Classical_Liberal...

The Jews of Iraq
by: Naeim Giladi
April - May 1998
The Link - Volume 31, Issue 2


I write this article for the same reason I wrote my book: to tell the American people, and especially American Jews, that Jews from Islamic lands did not emigrate willingly to Israel; that, to force them to leave, Jews killed Jews; and that, to buy time to confiscate ever more Arab lands, Jews on numerous occasions rejected genuine peace initiatives from their Arab neighbors.

I write about what the first prime minister of Israel called “cruel Zionism.”

I write about it because I was part of it.

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I was disillusioned at what I found in the Promised Land, disillusioned personally, disillusioned at the institutionalized racism, disillusioned at what I was beginning to learn about Zionism’s cruelties. The principal interest Israel had in Jews from Islamic countries was as a supply of cheap labor, especially for the farm work that was beneath the urbanized Eastern European Jews. Ben Gurion needed the “Oriental” Jews to farm the thousands of acres of land left by Palestinians who were driven out by Israeli forces in 1948.

And I began to find out about the barbaric methods used to rid the fledgling state of as many Palestinians as possible. The world recoils today at the thought of bacteriological warfare, but Israel was probably the first to actually use it in the Middle East. In the 1948 war, Jewish forces would empty Arab villages of their populations, often by threats, sometimes by just gunning down a half-dozen unarmed Arabs as examples to the rest. To make sure the Arabs couldn’t return to make a fresh life for themselves in these villages, the Israelis put typhus and dysentery bacteria into the water wells.

Uri Mileshtin, an official historian for the Israeli Defense Force, has written and spoken about the use of bacteriological agents. According to Mileshtin, Gen. Moshe Dayan, former Israeli Defense Minister, gave orders in 1948 to remove Arabs from their villages, bulldoze their homes, and render water wells unusable with typhus and dysentery bacteria.

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With the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the Israeli-condoned Sabra and Shatilla massacres, I had had enough of Israel. I became a United States citizen and made certain to revoke my Israeli citizenship. I could never have written and published my book in Israel, not with the censorship they would impose. Even in America, I had great difficulty finding a publisher because many are subject to pressures of one kind or another from Israel and its friends. I ended up paying $60,000 from my own pocket to publish Ben Gurion’s Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews, virtually the entire proceeds from having sold my house in Israel. I was still afraid that the printer would back out and I told him not to wait for the translation from to English to be thoroughly checked and proofread.

I have several boxes of valuable documents that back up what I have written and books I hope to write. These documents, including some that I illegally copied from the archives at Yad Vashem, confirm what I saw myself, what I was told by other witnesses, and what reputable historians and others have written concerning the Zionist bombings in Iraq, Arab peace overtures that were rebuffed, and incidents of violence and death inflicted by Jews on Jews in the cause of creating Israel.

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That is why I established a panel of inquiry in Israel to seek reparations for Iraqi Jews who had been forced to leave behind their property and possessions in Iraq. That is why I joined the Black Panthers in confronting the Israeli government with the grievances of the Jews in Israel who came from Islamic lands. And that is why I have written my book and this article: to set the historical record straight.

We Jews from Islamic lands did not leave our ancestral homes because of any natural enmity between Jews and Muslims. And we Arabs—I say Arab because that is the language my wife and I still speak at home—we Arabs on numerous occasions have sought peace with the State of the Jews. And finally, as a U.S. citizen and taxpayer, let me say that we Americans need to stop supporting racial discrimination in Israel and the cruel expropriation of lands in the West Bank, Gaza, South Lebanon and the Golan Heights.



From: AMEU

[Sesquipedalian]

37. because you just made it up probably

Find me anyone convicted and sentenced for aposty in the last century? Well, no...

You won't find anything like that. Apparently it's easier to just make up things about Muslim countries than it is to try and sanitize Israel's actions.

[Cassandra]

50. I made it up?

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2002/011/37.14.html
http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=7947

I suppose it's possible that it's a fantasy, but it's not mine personally.

"because you just made it up probably" is hardly a worthy comeback. If you wish to call me a liar, find your own links.
BTW, many of the Muslim states in the Middle East are Western constructs not much older than Israel. Should all borders be in dispute?

[Sesquipedalian]

51. I'm sorry..

I didn't mean to call you a liar.

However laws on the books mean absolutely nothing, homosexuality, adultery and the like were on the books in the US for years but it doesn't mean anything.

An uninforced aposty law is hardly evidence of apartheid, as a matter fact since no one votes in Saudi Arabia you can't even have apartheid. Apartheid is a state where one group has political power and rights and another group doesn't and Israel including the West Bank and Gaza is certainly an example.