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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 05:43 PM
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Hamas condemns collaborator to death
Interesting twist


Five days after a Palestinian Authority court in Jenin sentenced two Palestinians to death for collaboration with Israel, a Hamas court on Sunday sentenced another Palestinian to death for the same offense.

This was the first time a court had sentenced a Palestinian to death since Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip in June 2007.


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Ihab al-Ghissin, spokesman for the Hamas-run Interior Ministry in the Gaza Strip, said his government would act in line with the law and seek Abbas's approval for the death sentence against Sukkar.

"Despite the political differences , we will seek the president's approval," Ghissin said. "But if Abbas refuses to approve the court's verdict for political reasons, we will seek other alternatives. We can't afford a situation where court rulings are ignored, as was the case when Abbas's men were in control of the Gaza Strip."


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331034395&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 05:45 PM
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1. Welcome to religious hate!!!!
Who needs evangelistic Atheism if the theists keep proving themselves to be IDIOTS!!!
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:03 PM
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2. Sorry do not think you quite get it
this has nothing to do with religion the significance is that Hamas is seeking Fatah's approval, an unusually "co-operative" move for Hamas, whether or not Abbas gives his approval is yet to seen.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 07:39 PM
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4. YOU don't get it
All of this "issue" is religious hate, from one side or another.

The don't get it, we don't get it, you don't get it.

Remove religion and the problem is solved.
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notfullofit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 08:49 PM
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5. I always thought
it was more about territory than religion.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:52 AM
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12. WTF are you talking about? This is a political collaborator being tried.
Hamas is following the lead of Fatah, a secular party, on the West Bank.
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Shaktimaan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 11:26 PM
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17. No, you don't get it.
This conflict is about conflicting nationalism, scarce resources and even ethnic discrimination. Many, many factors have fundamentally contributed to this conflict but religion is among the least responsible.

IMHO the people who automatically assume that the IP conflict is due to religious hate are among those who haven't bothered to learn even the most basic facts about it. You clearly prefer the easy route of assuming that you know what's going on without the benefit of any easily obtained knowledge. But your comments expose you to be a fraud.

The fact is that both Zionism and Palestinian nationalism were born of secular roots and overwhelmingly tend to still be non-religious today. That representatives from both sides of this issue here at DU have agreed with one another (some for the very first time) that you are incorrect in your assumptions should demonstrate just how ignorant those assumptions are.

Read a wikipedia entry or something before you post next time and maybe you won't embarrass yourself again.
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:39 AM
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10. The US has the death penalty for treason as does many western countries.
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 12:40 AM by Dick Dastardly
While we have rarely used it in recent times it is still in our law books.


To avoid the abuses of the English law (including executions by Henry VIII of those who criticized his repeated marriages), treason was specifically defined in the United States Constitution, the only crime so defined. Article III Section 3 delineates treason as follows:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

However, Congress has, at times, passed statutes creating related offenses which undermine the government or the national security, (such as sedition in the 1798 Alien and Sedition Acts, or espionage and sedition in the 1917 Espionage Act) which do not require the testimony of two witnesses and have a much broader definition than Article Three treason. For example, some well-known spies have been convicted of espionage rather than treason.

The Constitution does not itself create the offense; it only restricts the definition. The crime is prohibited by legislation passed by Congress. Therefore the United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." The requirement of testimony of two witnesses was inherited from the British Treason Act 1695.




In the history of the United States there have been fewer than 40 federal prosecutions for treason and even fewer convictions. Several men were convicted of treason in connection with the 1794 Whiskey Rebellion but were pardoned by President George Washington. One of American history's most notorious traitors, in which his name is considered synonomous with the definition of traitor, is Benedict Arnold. The most famous treason trial, that of Aaron Burr in 1807 (See Burr conspiracy), resulted in acquittal. Politically motivated attempts to convict opponents of the Jeffersonian Embargo Acts and the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 all failed. Most states have provisions in their constitutions or statutes similar to those in the U.S. Constitution. There have been only two successful prosecutions for treason on the state level, that of Thomas Dorr in Rhode Island and that of John Brown in Virginia.

After the American Civil War, no person involved with the Confederate States of America was tried for treason, though a number of leading Confederates (including Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee) were indicted. Those who had been indicted received a blanket amnesty issued by President Andrew Johnson as he left office in 1869.

Several people generally thought of as traitors in the United States, including Jonathan Pollard, the Walker Family, Robert Soblen, and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, were not prosecuted for treason, but rather for espionage. John Walker Lindh, an American citizen who fought for the Taliban against the U.S.-supported Northern Alliance, was convicted of conspiracy to murder U.S. nationals rather than treason.

The Cold War saw frequent associations between treason and support for (or insufficient hostility toward) Communist-backed causes. The most memorable of these came from Senator Joseph McCarthy, who characterized the Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry Truman administrations as "twenty years of treason." McCarthy also investigated various government agencies for Soviet spy rings; however, he acted as a political fact-finder rather than criminal prosecutor. Despite such rhetoric, the Cold War period saw few prosecutions for treason.

On October 11, 2006, a federal grand jury issued the first indictment for treason against the United States since 1952, charging Adam Yahiye Gadahn for videos in which he spoke supportively of al-Qaeda.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#United_States




Espionage

The risks of espionage vary. A spy breaking the host country's laws may be deported, imprisoned, or even executed. A spy breaking his/her own country's laws can be imprisoned for espionage or/and treason, or even executed, as the Rosenbergs were. For example, when Aldrich Ames handed a stack of dossiers of CIA agents in the Eastern Bloc to his KGB-officer "handler," the KGB "rolled up" several networks, and at least ten people were secretly shot. When Ames was arrested by the FBI, he faced life in prison; his contact, who had diplomatic immunity, was declared persona non grata and taken to the airport. Ames's wife was threatened with life imprisonment if her husband did not cooperate; he did, and she was given a five-year sentence. Hugh Francis Redmond, a CIA officer in China, spent nineteen years in a Chinese prison for espionage—and died there—as he was operating without diplomatic cover and immunity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage#Risks



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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:22 PM
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3. If an Israeli is against his governments actions he is a hero here on DU
If a Palestinian is against his government he is a dead man.

A few here on the left need to pay attension to this.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 09:34 PM
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6. Repressive theocracies that practice horrific human rights abuses
are excused as "cultural differences" by "progressives".

I have never thought it very progressive to excuse theocratic regimes, while these same "progressives" condemn any effort of Israel to be a Jewish state (albeit one that allows religious freedom for all, contrary to other nations).
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:04 AM
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8. except that "repressive theocracy"
is referring to the secular party for permission which they most likely will not get.

This no matter how much YOU and your comrades want to spin it is not about excusing anyone but a surprising change in Hamas in the way it relates to Fatah, ya' know a baby step towards that unity ya'll say they will never have.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:16 AM
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9. you gotta admit...
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 12:45 AM by pelsar
its quite an interesting "baby step".... cooperating together to kill someone
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 01:11 AM
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11. Don't think they will get it- permission that is n/t
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eyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 09:42 AM
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14. According to the article,
they'll "seek other alternatives" if Abbas refuses to approve. Want three guesses as to what those might be?

IOW, they seem to be seeking Abbas' "approval" as a rubber stamp.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 04:30 PM
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15. Cooperating to murder is about the only way they will ever find unity
Sick, but true.
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Dick Dastardly Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 06:23 PM
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16. As I said, treason is punishable by death here in the US
and many other Western Countries.

As long as there is a fair trial then there is no difference
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 07:12 AM
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13. But who is becoming who?
Seems to me the more radical factions are taking over.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 12:00 AM
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7. and a few on the right need to the OP
past the title that appeals so much to them.
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