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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 08:38 PM Original message |
Israeli attacks kill baby in Gaza |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. I wonder how the killers sleep at night |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
57. Young victims of latest attacks on Gaza |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. "The height of battle" [with kids playing football] |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. So, Israel blames Hamas and said civilian deaths were "unintentional". I love how they take no |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. So Hamas launches 40+ rockets indiscriminatly at Israeli civillians killing one and injuring many |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. and now the excuses roll in |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. So you agree that Israel should do nothing but let Hamas shoot missles at it? |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. So you agree that Hamas should do nothing but let Israel kill its babies? |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Yes, If they didnt fire rockets at civillians |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. The problem with your argument |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #28 |
59. The same logic can't be applied. Its not even close! |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. There is nothing disputed about it. It's occupied territory. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Some of it is disputed, as well as occupied. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Where is the "excuse" in what the other poster said? |
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Girlieman (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
91. Here is a discussion of the excuses: |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. If you shoot into a civilian area, you'd be an idiot to be shocked when civilians get killed. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The only difference between Hamas and Israel's forces |
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Dick Dastardly (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Can you explain? |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Certainly |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. our phasers just dont work..... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
25. Actually... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Actually, the only difference is Israel tries to avoid civilian casualties... |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Tell me, does it make them less dead because Israel tried to avoid them? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. No, but motivation is a huge factor. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. What if the person breaking into your house is doing so to retrieve the property you stole from him? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. According to the law, i could still blow him away. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:40 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. And that's not all that different from here. The guy could have a very good reason for his actions |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:44 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. That was your point? There are two sides? |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:53 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. In response to your bit about motivation. Palestinians have a motivation to get out from |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:06 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Motivation and excuses. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Israel is not stopping the missiles, so the deaths that result are purely for retaliation |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Israel HAS stopped missiles. |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Correction. Israel's actions haven't stopped or prevented the attacks from kassams. Their strategy |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Correction. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
82. What if you're in his house |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:46 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Not a valid analogy. |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Okay, I get it. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. No, you don't get it, but it is not surprising at all. |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:36 AM Response to Reply #15 |
26. breakaleg you assume too much |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. Care to show how Israel intentionally targets civilians? |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
63. Sure. For one, start paying attention |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. You are the one needing to "pay attention.," |
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breakaleg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
62. I think Israel is guilty of depraved indifference. I was simply letting him have his assumption. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. And there is a difference between "depraved indifference" and "targeting." |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
29. If Israel tries to avoid civilian casualties |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. actually the explanation is simple... |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Blaming the killers for killing people isn't a stretch. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. new concept... |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. New concept - Try applying your standards to both sides |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. its been tried and proven to work.... |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. The claim "Israel simply stopped shooting back in gaza" is not true |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. try gaza for your stats |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Gaza is included in the stats |
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Shaktimaan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:28 AM Response to Reply #61 |
75. But so is the west bank. |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
79. perhaps you dont know the geography? |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Oh, ok. One whole month and no Gazans killed you think proves a point. |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Here's a news flash |
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pelsar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. it proves lots of things... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. In populated areas, civilians casualties will occur. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-27-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. The responsibilities that come with occupation |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. So Israel is the only one with responsibilities? |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Not what was said. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. I understand that. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
58. They are the only ones |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Meaningless. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. That says a lot. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. It does. You only see one side has having responsibility. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I never said that, and you know it. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I said you didn't say it but it is how it looks and with your last post... |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Go back to post #6 |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Then point it out. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #73 |
83. First of all |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:43 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Can't show your work, can you? |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 09:12 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. Wanting me to do your work for you? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. No. You said you can show it. It is obvious you cannot. |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Point out where |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #89 |
95. BTW |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
33. Four Palestinian children killed in IAF strike in northern Gaza |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
37. Hamas leader 'thanks God' for son's death |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Yup I guess that makes it alright then Israel can |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. There is no fatalism to this comment: |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. You do not want to see it |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Do you see similar reactions from the Israelis? |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. No not candy |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Oh yes, have seen Palestinians presenting Israeli bodies as trophies... |
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sepulveda (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-04-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #49 |
103. jimmy carter's influence |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. Ignoring your sarcasm and snark for a sec |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Different wording same idea |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Untrue |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. From the posted article I got the impression |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Quote |
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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
76. Israeli attacks kill baby in Gaza |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Did the IDF intentionally kill a baby? |
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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Did the IDF intentionally kill a baby? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #77 |
92. Is it Israeli extremists who are responsible? No. it's the elected government. |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. The baby was actually killed by Palestinians |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. A link please |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #97 |
98. Associated Press |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Different baby? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. The original link in the OP (from The Age) no longer mentions a baby |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Yeah, the Breaking News section of The Age does change the content in its urls... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 03:56 AM Response to Reply #98 |
102. you tube |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:57 PM Response to Original message |
94. The War on Children...Palestinian and Israeli |
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