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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:36 AM
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Israeli highschoolers believe another Holocaust possible
Most Israeli high school students—a staggering 82% in fact—believe that the Holocaust could happen again, finds a new survey conducted prior to International Holocaust Day, to be held Monday January 27th.

The aforementioned, in-depth survey was conducted among high school students, students in schools of education and IDF officers and soldiers by the Massuah Institute for the Study of the Holocaust.

The survey examined, among other topics, respondents’ attitudes towards Holocaust survivors, a topic of much recent media debate in Israel. The great majority of respondents, 74%, felt that survivors were entirely helpless. Only 26% said they believed that survivors had managed to rebuild their lives in Israel.

How do Israeli pupils learn about the Holocaust? Most highschoolers, 54%, stated that they learned about the Holocaust through a school expedition to Poland. Eighteen percent of students learned about the Holocaust through documentary films, and only 12% indicated that they learned about the Holocaust through their regular history classes.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3498760,00.html
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:38 AM
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1. I see they've been subjected to the "fear factor" also...
Obviously a result of indoctrination.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:05 AM
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4. All just indoctrination?
I think everyone - Israeli or not - should be aware that another Holocaust could occur. Not 'will' but 'could'. It won't necessarily be the Jews next time; but the Jews are still a convenient hate-target to many.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:56 AM
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11. It IS OCCURRING!!! Look at Africa.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 12:12 PM
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12. You are right there - Darfur now; Rwanda not long ago.
When will the world learn?
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:23 PM
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18. Never. These are just poor ignorant peasants who are living in countries
that don't have anything we want. So they can just fuck off and die. Die horrible, painful, drawn-out deaths.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:24 AM
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8. Cuz after the Jewish War
~70 CE (when a proportionally larger percentage of Jews were killed than during the Holocaust) everyone said, "Well! THAT will never happen again!"
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:40 AM
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2. and they're right. another Holocast is occuring
only this time the Jewish people aren't the victims.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:06 AM
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5. Do you mean Darfur? It is indeed a horrible tragedy.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:11 AM
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6. Darfur, Palestine, Iraq
take your pick. All are horrible tragedies.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:21 AM
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7. The Palesinian and Iraqi situations are not remotely comparable with the Holocaust
The horrors of Darfur, Rwanda, and Cambodia, however, have demonstrated that the world still hesitates to act in the face of genocidal behavior.

You can learn more about the Holocaust on the Yad Vashem website.

http://www.yadvashem.org/

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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:55 AM
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10. it may not be on the same scale as what occured during WWII
With the exception of the death camps, the same principals, methods and excuses are being used. Just look at Palestine, walled of areas prohibiting anyone in or out, people starving and being denied basic human needs like food, clean water and provisions to heat their homes. Sounds like the Warsaw ghetto circa WWII all over again to me.

Or will this only be a legitimate holocast in your eyes when the numbers of deaths reach between 4 and 6 million?
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:38 PM
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13. Yes, the world still hesitates to act in the face of Israel's genocidal behavior.
damn straight.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:46 PM
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14. Tom, cut the crap with the word "genocide"
There is absolutely no genocide occurring by Israel in Palestine.

There are other genocides currently underway in the world, but Israel is not a perpetrator.

Again, as has been said here umpteen times, if Israel is perpetrating a genocide, they are doing a crappy job, considering that there are about 4.5 million Palestinians now, and there were under a million in 1948. The Palesitnian population is exploding, not diminishing, which is about the opposite of a genocide.

At least be truthful. Your hyperbole is tiresome (and wrong).
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msmcghee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 01:54 PM
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15. There's a fine line betweeen hyperbole and hate. n/t
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:02 PM
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16. Cutting people off from the basic necessities of life is a crime against humanity,
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 02:02 PM by Tom Joad
and, it's true, i have no fondness for any regime that perpetuates such a crime.
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Vegasaurus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 02:18 PM
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17. That's your right
but don't call it a genocide, because it isn't.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 10:45 AM
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3. There was an alternative. There was an opportunity for them to have
learned how a small nation made and kept the peace and how peacemakers think.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 11:52 AM
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9. The article does not implicitly state
Edited on Fri Jan-25-08 11:54 AM by azurnoir
it so I must ask what exactly are these kids being taught? That the Holocaust was the result of a dictator who got people to follow them by creating an "enemy" an "enemy" that they of course they are superior to and that in Germany that group was Jews and others but mainly Jews, however this in a similar set of circumstances any group can become the "scapegoat" "the enemy" and without understanding the mindset that led to Holocaust can and will happen again and it can happen to anyone any where.

Or that as Jews they are personally in danger every moment their lives from "the enemy" who ever that may be and there for must be willing to guard against that at all costs.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:27 PM
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19. The survey indicates that most of the learning occurs when visiting Poland
This seems to suggest that they are learning about the Holocaust primarily by visiting the sites of the concentration camps in Poland, and perhaps seeing the vestiges of Jewish life that still remain.

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-25-08 03:49 PM
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20. What happened in Poland is enough to
be at stomach turning and quite fear inducing, perhaps a side stop in Amsterdam or Copenhagen should be added, for (i hesitate to say it but) balance so that it can be seen first hand that not all gentiles turned their backs or cooperated.

What bothers me is sometimes it seems a broader message is lost, that being that as I said earlier that this happened to Jews, but given a similar set of circumstances any group can be at risk.
In America right now if the economic "downturn" becomes truly severe the same fate or similar could happen to Hispanics at least internment camps and then ?????
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