Israeli panel: Giuliani is 'best' presidential candidate for Israel

[Scurrilous]

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"Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani is the "best" candidate in the 2008 race for Israel, a panel of eight Israeli experts assembled by Haaretz has determined.

Giuliani is followed by former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, Arizona Senator John McCain and New York Senator Hillary Clinton. Ranking bottom of the list is Illinois Senator Barack Obama.

As part of a new project, The Israel Factor: Ranking the presidential candidates" the panel will rank the candidates every month, up until the 2008 election, awarding them marks out of 10 on a series of questions that will determine which candidates are "best" for Israel."

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"The panel also concluded that the chances of any of the candidates ordering future military action in Iran were not very high. Giuliani scored highest on this question, followed by Gingrich and McCain.

Clinton was the candidate the panel considered most likely to engage more vigorously in mediating a peace process between Israel and the Palestinians. She was followed by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and former presidential candidate John Kerry."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/759119.html

[Botany]

1. AIPAC and Israel's finger print's are all over our

elections, foreign policy, foreign aid, and intel. They really need to get the hell
out.

Israel helped get us into Iraq & had something to do w/ Monica.

For the U.S. being their best friend and supporter they treat us like shit.

[geek tragedy]

4. You're blaming Israel for Monica Lewinsky? That's PSYCHOTIC. eom

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[geek tragedy]

10. Rense.com? That' a lunatic, racist site.

Kind of explains your posts, though.

[Botany]

12. I heard the words from Fallwell's mouth on the news, myself

Plenty of documentation of Fallwell saying just that is "out there" too.

Israel and AIPAC were also all over our involvement in Iraq too. Sy Hersch a good
enough source for you?

[geek tragedy]

14. You claimed that Monica Lewinsky was an AIPAC plant.

Any proof of that (besides her Jewish heritage, that is)?

[Botany]

16. Where do you see the word plant?

"Israel helped get us into Iraq & had something to do w/ Monica."

[geek tragedy]

19. Where on God's Green Earth is there any credible linkage

of Israel/AIPAC to Monica Lewinsky?

[ShawnGreen]

21. Wow

Monica Lewinsky was an AIPAC plant.


If they were going to use a Jewess (lol) to set up Clinton why couldn't they use her:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Margolis


or her:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Rosen

[geek tragedy]

22. Because then the nutters couldn't talk about JEWinsky.

I/P discussion sure does bring the anti-semites and lunatics out of the woodwork.

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[geek tragedy]

24. At least there's no anti-semitism on the left. eom

[Deep13]

2. Great, let him run over there!

We are supposed to pick a president for this country.

[Drum]

3. ...took the words outta my mouth.

:thumbsup:

[Cassandra]

5. I'd prefer a President who's good for America.

America in fiscal collapse won't be of any help to Israel.

[DemInDistress]

6. rudy has some big baggage in his life.. please visit my unfinished

blog. It's a sordid tale of my life being publicly exposed because I had the audacity to report police misconduct and abuse in 1997.
It began with a traffic ticket for a red light. Then after watching these cops I saw they were rigging the light to go red and then slap drivers with tickets.
I reported this to Internal Affairs and various other police Dept's. to no avail. Then I called Rudy on his WABC talk radio show. rudy had detectives in my house in 2hours viewing a videotape I made. They would look into the allegation. 26 days later the NY Daily News ran a front page story "GOTCHA" COPS TRICKY LIGHT SHOW.
That same afternoon rudy had me arrested for a 13 yr.old traffic ticket which was addressed in 1986. After 4 days of running news coverage rudy took out the Official New York City plunger and reamed me good,he pulled out my police record from dead storage and smeared me to death.
The press was all over rudy for doing that but rudy said it was legal to do. One must crush a critic when he has the goods on you.
Long story short I sued rudy and settled out of court while rudy and the city laughed all the way to the bank with money from thousands of innocent drivers who were entrapped into running a light by crooked cops.

If you want to see more PM me and I'll send you my name to google. many stories there.

[keta11]

9. I found your name without PMing you

Yeah, I remember the story. I lived in NY then

[DemInDistress]

11. cool. I'm flattered. keta I did the right thing reporting that

to the police. yet no action was taken and when rudy called we got action only I found out later Rudy had me thoroughly investigated local,state FBI and Interpol. He badly wanted something on me and found a dead traffic ticket warrant.

your skills at finding my story are excellent. I'd like for one day see rudy account for that egregious act that still bothers me today. Its like wearing a scarlet letter.

Thanks my friend you made my day.

[keta11]

13. The Guiliani years were very polarizing in the city

Crime did go down but was it a result of Guiliani/Kelly/ Kerik policies or a nationwide trend. The national economy was growing and crime actually declined nationwide. I find it ridiculous that Guiliani is hailed as some king of Management wunderkid, complete with his own advisory firm, investment bank raking in millions on the deaths at the WTC. The guy practically lived at Yankee Stadium and on TV, appearing only long enough to egg on the police shooting innocent people. That Admin did a lot to hurt race relations in the city.

About your issue, just let it go. Good thing it was in the news so reasonable people can decide. I had an issue similar sometime ago except in the workplace. Some guy misbehaved towards me and when I reported him to HR everybody who was there went and lied. What happened 3 months later he was fired for incompetence!!

[DemInDistress]

17. crime went down in NYC as well as the country but here in the

city we had rudy's infamous anti-crime cops sort of like the gestapo. I had seen them in action here in the bronx and mostly in minority neighborhoods. as many as 4 in a car jumping out and corralling then physically searching them, many innocent people doing nothing wrong were searched and weed was found or a bag of dope. I watched once 30 or more spanish people facing the wall while they were frisked.
If all cops had carte blanche to stop and frisk anyone for no reason then surely crime would go down but I thought we were a nation of laws (4th amendment) probable cause and all that good stuff.

Then the outrage of his administration.. the shooting of amadou diallo 41 times. that ended the anti crime cops blatant abuse of power.

Many issues will dog him as he runs for POTUS but my issue is "why the hell did he permit the WTC steel be shipped out forthwith" yes he was a tyrant reborn out of the ashes and death of 911.

Americans are smart folks (mostly democrats) and they'll see through his BS.

thanks keta.. where you from in NY?

[keta11]

18. I lived in Brooklyn Heights

for 7 years and then the Upper West Side for 5 years.

[DemInDistress]

20. thanks keta.. brooklyn is the country's 4th largest city. I remember

seeing that in the opening clip of "Welcome back Kotter".. How do you feel about 911? Arabs or BFEE?

You know on 911 I gave bush the benefit of the doubt, he claimed not to know who did it. After 5 years of secrecy and denials of FOIL requests I can't help but feel our government has a hand here. Ever hear of the
Shadow Government?

Anyway, glad you meet you keta here at DU. I'm always flattered when someone remembers the Bronx Zoo traffic light guy..

see you later

jimmy from the Bronx.

[Lerkfish]

7. gee, I was unaware Israel was running candidates in the US.

Who is the preferred Saudi candidate? Oh yeah, Bush.

[RethugAssKicker]

15. One more good reason ... not to trust

GHOULiani

[IndianaGreen]

25. The audacity of these assholes to tell us who is best for us!

Fuck them all! And fuck their choices!

[msmcghee]

26. If you had bothered to read the article . .

. . you would have seen that their purpose was to say who was best for Israel. Certainly, your opinion of them as assholes, shouldn't preclude them from having an opinion on the matter. In fact, it even says that in the title.

[IndianaGreen]

28. What's good for Israel, is bad for America!

Thanks to Tom Rinaldo for posting this elsewhere:

"I'm speaking as an American now, because that's who I am." Wes Clark

It's gotten to the point that Wes Clark had to remind a live studio audiance that American policy in the Mid East needs to be driven by American values and interests:

"...But yes, Israel represents a standard of freedom, a standard of literacy, a standard of Democracy which is unique in the region. But what the United States can do to advance our ideals - and I'm speaking as an American now, because that's who I am. What we can do is, we have to stand for what we believe in and our values. We don't believe in reckless bombing. We believe in humanitarian assistance. We believe in ending quarrels by the peaceful settlements of disputes, and we believe in the use of war only as a last resort. So, we have to follow our own principles, and in the process we should help Israel, but we should also be helping the government of Lebanon and the innocent civilians all through the area."

8/1/06
http://securingamerica.com/node/1281

[msmcghee]

30. Thanks for the link to Clark's interview.

I have no problem with the small part you quoted.

Reading the whole interview he said several other things that I agree with.

a) We should not be talking with Hizbullah, he wouldn't be talking with Hizbullah.

b) War is a last resort but when you must use force you must use overwhelming force and get it over with as soon as possible.

c) The main reason this conflict occurred was because of Bush's ineptitude. He should have been talking with Lebanon long ago to help (pressure) them into disarming Hizbullah - as well as Syria and Iran to let them know how seriously we were about all this - and what we'd do for them if things remained peaceful.

To summarize, the conflict never would have occurred under his watch because he would have headed it off with effective diplomacy - and Israel may have erred by not using overwhelming force once they were committed. Time will tell.

Clark seems like a pretty smart guy to me. He, in no way, was taking Hizbullah's side in this.

One thing to remember is that virtually all the Arab leadership involved in this are bat-shit crazy religious fanatics who would fight to the death with each other for the right to kill the last Jew in the world.

Therefore, smart diplomats don't go around praising Israel's virtues. Israel understands that if our leaders are going to have any weight with the Arabs - they need to come off as a bit anti-Israel. (I thought Clinton did an excellent job of that BTW.)

So, Clark, just in case he has an opportunity in the future to sit down with the Lebanese or Iranian leadership and talk turkey - will not say anything now that makes him sound like a Zionist. But, I'm sure he knows that he's dealing with fanatics on the Arab side and is being smart about it.

I always thought he was a pretty smart guy. This interview does nothing to change my impression.

[breakaleg]

27. I love it that Israel takes the time to determine the best presidentail

candidate in another country is best for Israel. It's truely a 'what's best for me scenario'.

[Crunchy Frog]

29. I wonder which potential Israeli leader

would be the best one from the standpoint of American interests?

I wonder if there are any lobbying groups in Israel that lobby for policies that will most benefit the United States. If not, I think it would be something well worth our country investing in.