Israeli president investigated for sex abuse, possible rape

[warrens]

JERUSALEM (AFP) - Israeli President Moshe Katsav was being grilled by police on allegations of sexual harassment in the latest scandal to hit a leadership already reeling over failures in the Lebanon war.


Allegations of sexual shenanigans and that his office granted unlawful pardons may cost the Iranian-born head of state his job, which could make him Israel's second consecutive president to resign amid scandal.

Investigators arrived at his Jerusalem residence Wednesday morning to question Katsav under caution about what the press said were the criminal offences of prohibited sexual relations, exploitation of status and possibly even rape.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060823/wl_afp/israelpoliticskatsav_060823123342

[derby378]

1. "Iranian-born?!?"

I had always heard that there is still a tiny Jewish population in Iran today - but how the hell did one of them become President of Israel?!?

[11cents]

2. The reason the Iranian Jewish population is tiny ....

...is because most Iranian Jews emigrated.

[warrens]

7. Most Israelis of that age were born elsewhere

If I were Jewish and lived in Iran, I'd be history too...

[KaptBunnyPants]

10. I'm not Jewish, and I still wouldn't stay in Iran.

It's bad enough living in Texas. Fundamentalists suck.

[ralps]

37. Here's an article you all might want to check out- "Jews in Iran Describe

a Life of Freedom Despite Anti-Israel Actions by Tehran"
http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/1998/02/03/intl/intl.3.html

Michael Theodoulou, Special to The Christian Science Monitor
TEHRAN, IRAN—
One of the most striking of many murals in Iran's capital, Tehran, is a towering portrait of Fathi Shkaki, a leader of the militant Palestinian group, Islamic Jihad. He was assassinated by Israeli agents in 1995 after he masterminded a series of suicide bombings against Jewish civilians.

A slogan beneath his face hails him as a hero of the Islamic revolution in Palestine.

Yet, stroll a little farther along Palestine Street and you come to the Abrishami Synagogue, the biggest of 23 synagogues in Tehran. It is regularly attended by some 1,000 worshippers.

It comes as a surprise to many visitors to discover that Iran, a country so hostile to Israel and with a reputation for intolerance, is home to a small but vibrant Jewish community that is an officially recognized religious minority under Iran's 1979 Islamic Constitution.
snip
:hi: :shrug: :hug:

[ima_sinnic]

3. investigation for the same + murder should also be done on *

Margie Schoedinger:
innocent victim of George W. Bush


The story of Ms. Schoedinger’s death as it appeared in virtually the only newspaper in the world to report it, The New Nation, a small-circulation paper serving the black community of London. From ThoughtCrime News.

This story was reported in the briefest of blips, in just one U.S. newspaper, back in November 2002. The only four web sites carrying the story. A scan of google reveals that the story has spread, two years later, finally, but it is still out of the mainstream, still inadequately/barely mentioned. I admit I heard about it only within the past few months—and since then I haven't been able to stop thinking of it. It has been gnawing at my brain, an unpleasant blight underlying everything, and I am finally compelled to devote some space to the strange, heartbreaking, outrageous, depressing and terrifying story of Margie Schoedinger, literally driven crazy to death (or most likely physically murdered outright) after being robbed of her humanity and right to any kind of meaningful existence by the former governor of Texas, the fraud, the incompetent imperial barbarian who cheated his way into the position of president of the formerly great United States of America, George "Waste-product" Bush. . . .[br />
http://blatanttruth.org/bushcrimefamily.php#margie

[QuettaKid]

4. Have you seen "Munich" yet?

Those Mossad motherf*ckers are capable of anything. Literally a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g.

[cali]

13. Interesting

that you drew that conclusion from such a complex and textured movie.

[IronLionZion]

16. Only God knows everything;

and he works for Mossad. - The Constant Gardener, another good movie.

[QuettaKid]

24. the CENTRAL premise of the film

deals soley with the MOSSAD. How you could not see that, is beyond me.

[rinsd]

26. Yes, those brave Palestinians gunning down unarmed athletes

What a true story of heroism!

The point of Munich was to show the barbarity of eye for an eye.

Obviouly your lense is a bit different.

[cali]

31. Gee, maybe because

according to Spielberg, who actually made the movie, that's not the point of the movie. As someone else pointed out, it's about the futility of an eye for an eye. But you seem to have missed what started it all; the tragic killing of the Olympic athletes.

[QuettaKid]

39. there's the rub. "what started it all"

some people would say that the "terrorists" were just freedom fighters. It all depends on who's writing the history.

[Jackpine Radical]

6. This is truly a sad case. I saw some of poor Margie's writing

about the events described here, and they left no doubt in my mind that she was quite psychotic. The writings were consistent with paranoid schizophrenia, although it's obviously not possible to diagnose the exact type of psychosis on such slender evidence.

[ima_sinnic]

18. what writings are those?

I tried to research this case extensively and found really nothing of her own writings. There is in fact very little to go on on the Internet. I would very much like to see something by her, can you provide links? As noted in the links provided at http://blatanttruth.org/bushfamilycrimes.php#margie , a reporter who did interview the woman saw absolutely no sign of "derangement" and this is a standard RW dismissive talking point. As the relative of someone afflicted with paranoid schizophrenia, I know it is difficult to hide it and he would have come away with the impression that she was at least "paranoid." (My relative talks all the time about people concocting complex plots against him--as, for example, when the car breaks down: "somebody did that to the car to mess with me"--to the point that it is obvious that it is a delusion).

[rinsd]

20. Read Jackson's account again (the one you reference)

He states he didn't find her deranged but the actions he ascribes to her are definitely paranoid.

[Jackpine Radical]

28. Sorry, I don't have a link. However, I think it was posted here, or

at least a link was posted here. I just noted its psychotic quality & moved on. If the material given was indeed Margie's writing, there is not much doubt in my mind that she was psychotic. As someone above noted, it's hard to conceal the psychosis for very long. And as for the likelihood I would recognize psychotic talk or writing, I will only say that I'm a licensed PhD psychologist with many years' experience as chief psychologist in a psych hospital and subsequently as a chief psychologist in Corrections. I've seen & formally diagnosed many forms of psychosis, and I can tell you that the text attributed to Margie was indeed the product of a psychotic mind.

[rinsd]

35. It was likely her complaint that you are thinking of

http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1986144-1-7.pdf

[Jackpine Radical]

38. Yes, that must be it.

As I look at it again, I see the pathological thought processes are very apparent.
Thanks.

[Pacifist Patriot]

9. Weird. That has been quiet. First I've heard of it.

[warrens]

12. Same here, reason I posted it

I mean, this is HUGH. I wasn't trying to get into a IP war thing here. This is the first I have ever heard about it.

[rinsd]

11. Can;t the tin foilers leave that poor woman alone

Christ by reading her accounts one comes to the conclusion that she was very likely mentally ill.

But of course the tin foil industry will still flog it. Now the schtick is of course she;s mentally ill and Bush caused it!

I hope the woman was able to find a peace in death she did not seem to know in life.

[earth mom]

14. Did you read this account before you started flinging the tin foil

accusations?

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v1i15death.htm

The woman doesn't sound deranged at all to me or to this reporter!

Your post reeks of reich wing gate keeping. :grr:

[rinsd]

17. DU went thru this with a fine tooth comb...quite a few times actually

Sorry you missed it. You can feel free to search the archives.

Here's what I found via google

From right around when it happened (Will Pitt did follow up, he did not find it credible)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=22045&forum=DCForumID60&omm=0

(from 2005)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5495235&mesg_id=5495750

More stuff under the google search here

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-31,GGLD:en&q=site:www%2Edemocraticunderground%2Ecom+Margie+Schoedinger

And that story you linked to is laughable with the basic gist of "why won't the MSM go near it like the loony tunes about Clinton". Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the truthfullness of her account.

"Your post reeks of reich wing gate keeping. "

LOL.

Ya got me I am part of the grand conspiracy against her.

Make sure you got yours on extra tight or I could "re-educate" you

[ima_sinnic]

19. thank you so much for these links, first I knew DU had looked at this

I will indeed study what you have posted.

[rinsd]

21. No sweat.

I just feel this woman had some serious issues. It not about the credibility so much as the knowing the cred is sktechy and going with it anyway as payback for the endless Clinton death lists and other crap.

[earth mom]

23. Interesting how you use ridicule to smear those who question the * admin.

What's in it for YOU to protect * and his band of thugs? Hmm? That's the question here.

And if we are talking who is more gullible...I would say that it's you. :rofl:

[rinsd]

25. What's in it for me?

Sleeping soundly at night knowing I didn't drag a poor mentally ill woman's story around so I could gin up outrage and scandal.

What's in it for you?

[ima_sinnic]

29. I still don't see the "deranged" and "mentally ill" angle

in Thoreau's writing about her. But I do still need to read those DU comments. We just had a heavy thunder and lightening storm for the past hour and I had to get off the computer for a while.

[rinsd]

34. More stuff

Here is copy of her complaint.

http://ccweb.co.fort-bend.tx.us/imgcache/civil1986144-1-7.pdf

[The Straight Story]

32. I don't think it was about protecting a someone, it was a something

which we all have a vested interest in protecting. That would be 'truth'.

The ability of one to look at a matter without bias and try to find the truth. I don't give accusers of bush a pass just because I don't like bush. If we start blindly believing everything someone says it becomes almost a religion where we follow anyone who wants to lead a charge, blindly rushing about without any introspection.

And to me, gullible is believing someone's story because it fits what you want to hear and not bothering to hold both sides to the same standard of investigation and scrutiny.

[ima_sinnic]

33. apparently **cough** certain posters *cough* make it a habit to

get into threads discussing "conspiracies" for the sole purpose of debunking them. Anyone who has contributed and has use of the Search feature can see this, if you catch my drift . . .

I wonder why they would go to the bother? Do I have time to get on RaptureReady to try to "debunk" their myths? If a poster doesn't believe something, what does it benefit them to ridicule those who do? When I was a kid, I used to feel like a big shot when I could belittle someone else. Now I would get absolutely no satisfaction from doing that. So perhaps we are dealing with some "adolescents" here, or perhaps it is something more sinister . . . frankly, being the so-called tin-foil-hatter that I am, I know it is the 2nd.

[rinsd]

36. LOL

"When I was a kid, I used to feel like a big shot when I could belittle someone else"

Looks like you still doing it. You simply lacked the courage to actually come out an say it.

[wicket]

5. Oh dear

:popcorn:

[w4rma]

8. Was he being blackmailed with this until now? (nt)

[IronLionZion]

15. Moshe Katsav is like the Colin Powell of Israel

Or rather, the Clarence Thomas of Israel with the sexual harassment and right wing ideology.

Yep, he is the token Iranian born Mizrahi Jew that they installed as President so they don't appear as overtly racist as they obviously are.

interesting fact: He was born in the same town as Mohammed Khatami and they sat next to each other at Pope John Paul II's funeral.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Katsav

[pelsar]

41. token Mizrachi jew?

and suppose the defense minister is of the same?..and the past defense minister as well?.....who by the way is the "they installed"...could it be the israeli electorate?....are they the racists that installed a misrachi president? and ministers?

sheesh...next thing we'll hear that shas is also a mossad plot

[IndianaGreen]

43. This is such a shame! The ceremonial post of President was meant

to be a symbol of national unity and bring honor devoid of partisanship.

[CollegeDUer]

22. Rape of Lebanon maybe

nt

[Lenore]

27. The Hebrew boards are reporting...

That the woman in question has given birth to the President's baby... Maybe the alleged blackmail attempt was actually a demand for child support??

This thread:
http://www.fresh.co.il/vBulletin/printthread.php?t=219533

based on this news story:
http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/469/057.html

[malaise]

30. Why are so called virtuous men

always the most vile men on the planet.

[IndianaGreen]

42. Because they are men?

}(

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

:P

[IndianaGreen]

40. LMAO

Reminds me of Grover Cleveland being accused of fathering a child out of wedlock and the campaign slogan: "Ma ma where's my pa? Off to Washington ha ha ha."