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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 07:34 PM
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just what is israel doing in occupied palestine???
since july 19, 2006:

-265 Palestinians killed
56 women/children
66 extra-judicial (assassinations)

-1257 injurues
350 women/children

-Over 1800 arrests
-about 200 women/children

-132 Palestinian homes turned into Israeli military facilities (mainly West Bank)

-Over 2000 dunums of land seized

-1580 olive trees uprooted

Israel invades Gaza in June and they destroy an electricity generation plant and bomb numerous bridges and roads. Israel arrests 8 ministers and 26 members of the Palestinian Legislative Council.

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http://pchrgaza.org/files/W_report/English/2006/weekly2006.htm

you can view the reports for the weeks the followed the last report i used to compile this data
And ALL the info is based only on the documentation of Palestinian Center for Human rights in Gaza.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 07:35 PM
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 08:39 AM
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25. 265
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 08:41 AM by sabbat hunter
civilians killed, while tragic in the extreme is certainly NOT ethnic cleansing.

200 women/children arrested?

how many are women? women can be terrorists just as easily as men. how many children? how old are the children? if they are 16/17 they still are "children" but also are perfectly capable of being terrorists.

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 07:41 PM
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2. kick
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AusGail Donating Member (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 07:49 PM
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3. At the risk of sounding racist
I have been asking the same questions. Realizing what is going on in Lebanon is absolutely horrendous, I think the international community has taken their eye of the ball, when it comes to Palestine.

How could a country which has up-to-the-minute weapons (including nuclear) get away with so many war crimes. Are the Arab lives worth less than ours? Has anybody mentioned the Geneva Convention?

Bush and Condi have got their way: There still isn't anywhere near a cease fire.

I'm getting sick of hearing that Hezbellah is a terrorist group. They are only terrorist because Bush, Blair, sniveler Howard and the Israelis say so. Hamas was democratically elected. Doesn't Bush want Palestine to have "freedom and democracy"?
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 12:59 AM
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9. Terrorist groups can be democratically elected
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 01:01 AM by Clarkie1
Problem is, they are a cancer on the democracy.

The Palestinians can't expect to live in peace unless they elect leaders who recognize Israel's right to exist without precondition.
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mtice Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:40 PM
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19. Same goes for Hezb
Hezb has some democratically elected members of the Lebanese Parliament. There is a reason why time and time again these radicalized Arab groups refuse the opportunity to make peace with Israel. And despite the typical canard, this has nothing to do with land and everything to do with a deeply ingrained cultural hatred of Jews.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 08:16 PM
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24. Israel can not
expect it's security to be respected, if it continues to hold occupied land.

Israel can't expect this security except through arbitrary force of will...which again, needs not be respected.
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mtice Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:35 PM
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16. Are the Arab lives worth less than ours?
According to Hezbollah, one Israeli life is worth that of a thousand Arabs, thus they proposed to trade their two Israeli hostages for 2000 Arab prisoners.

According to the folks who strap bombs to their own children and send them out to conduct mass murders while killing themselves, how would you judge their valuation of these childrens' lives?
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Carl21014 Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:15 PM
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4. Just cleaning out the ghettos they have created!
Or shooting Palistinians in a barrel. But of coarse "Anyone who knows anything about the Israeli mind and behavior knows that Israel goes to extreme lengths to prevent the bloodshed of innocents
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:21 PM
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5. I don't see how their "assassinations" can be interpreted as anything
other than cold blooded murder. And the international community is responsible for letting them get away with it.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:29 PM
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6. Hamas should force the Israelis hand by releasing the
israeli soldiers they hold - it would take away their excuse.
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Carl21014 Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:34 PM
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7. They don't need an excuse.....
Israel kills with impunity.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:56 PM
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8. It is their public reason ,,,
holding the soldiers does Hamas no good - there could be a PR benefit to releasing them.
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adriennui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:57 PM
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29. hamas isn't smart enough
or the soldier is dead. but that doesn't fit their MO, they usually enjoy hanging dead israelis out of windows or lamp-posts.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:58 AM
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10. This may come off as a really stupid question
but I've been wanting to ask this for so long.

Why do they bulldoze and uproot the trees? I've read about this for years now -- olive trees, fruit trees -- Why? What's the point of that?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:24 AM
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11. "Israeli soldiers they hold "
Hammas only has one captured soldier. They should release him without any deal. It would be a good PR move.
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mtice Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:36 PM
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17. Given that it would be good for Hamas
to release the soldier, why do you suppose they haven't done so?
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Carl21014 Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:38 AM
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12. To steal the land.
After they force the farmer off his his land they build settlement, or Israeli only hiways.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 03:21 PM
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21. But bulldozing trees?
I just don't get it. Trees in that terrain are a scarce commodity -- like here where I live in the High Sierra -- we cherish trees and the thought of bulldozing them is just, well, just so counterproductive overall, it seems. You would think they would plan to build around them...unless there is some other significance of bringing down the trees.
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Carl21014 Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-11-06 12:23 PM
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26. Typically it's orchards(olive trees)
Edited on Fri Aug-11-06 12:24 PM by Carl21014
What they do is destroy the farmers crop and run him off his land thru threat and intimidation. Once he's gone they don't let anyone come back. The land is then claimed by an isreali settler, or turned into a road or fence, or carved up in some way to keep it out of palistinian hands.
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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 11:44 AM
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13. Report: Israel Imprisons 600 Palestinians Since Shalit Capture
todays headline on: www.democracynow.com
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Spinoza Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:13 PM
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14. If the above is even partially true,
Edited on Thu Aug-10-06 01:16 PM by Spinoza
can anyone explain, in rational terms, why Hamas will not release the kidnapped soldier? Is it worth it to capture one Israeli reservist?
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mtice Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:38 PM
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18. I can explain
"can anyone explain, in rational terms, why Hamas will not release the kidnapped soldier?"

Yes, the guy is dead and has been since shortly after his capture. Thus no video of the hapless prisoner as would otherwise be routine. All they can release is a corpse, which is sure to earn even more retribution.
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Spinoza Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 06:10 PM
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23. I see your point.
Somehow, I think the guy is alive but I have no logical reason for that belief.
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 02:50 PM
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20. Probably because Israeli's value their people much higher than
Palestinians. So, for 1 soldier, they are hoping to get a prisoner exchange for hundreds, possibly thousands.

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mtice Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 05:25 PM
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22. Another way of saying that
is that the Israel's enemies value their own peoples' lives very little, which is why, for example, Hezbollah has no problem with building a school then using it as a weapons depot and rocket launching pad with all the kids inside.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-10-06 01:20 PM
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15. Thanks for keeping us up to date.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:46 PM
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breakaleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-12-06 05:48 PM
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28. such a casual disregard for international law. I guess it doesn't apply
to Israel.
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