Does Israel understand what it's doing?

[jseankil]

With every bombing that kills innocents Israel only strengthens the terrorists.

Currently Israel says 90 Hezbollah members have been killed, that’s 90 out of over 700 deaths. Do they understand that equation is unacceptable? Do they understand they are committing terrorism? Do they understand that their once awe inspiring Israeli military has become an embarrassment? Does Israel understand what it's doing?

[villager]

1. it would seem that Likudniks, like Republicans, don't have a clue

and both will bring down their respective countries.

Which for me, as a Jewish American, is pretty painful...

[Fredda Weinberg]

4. Right now, you don't have a sliver of light between Likud, Labor

or Kadima. I'm sorry you feel bad about this, but this Jew feels no guilt.

[idontwantaname]

6. this Jew feels no guilt

and im sure youd be equally enraged to hear a german(maybe even nongerman) say a similar quote.

[villager]

13. well, we must agree to disagree, then

every time another batch of civilians are killed in the name of rooting out terrorists...

[Crunchy Frog]

18. Why should anyone expect you to feel guilt

if you're not the one making and carrying out the policy? Is there anybody on this board suggesting that Jews in general have some sort of collective responsibility for the policies of the Israeli government?

[Lurking Dem]

19. Actually, yes.

There were numerous posts in the threads about various acts of antisemitic vandalism that were of the "reap what you sow" variety.

[Crunchy Frog]

20. Well, I hope they get alerted on.

I'll alert on any that I see.

[Fredda Weinberg]

2. Probably better than you do

I've met quite a few sabras in my life and they're very different from their American cousins. I don't judge them - it's a tough neighborhood and many of them came from Arab countries.

[jseankil]

7. Israel is free from judgement? Do you pass judgements on Bush?

Why don't you judge Israel for their actions? Why do they get a free card?

[idontwantaname]

3. its like republicans still rallying around bush

the perspectives too skewed.

[Fredda Weinberg]

5. No, it's like American rallying after 9/11 n/t

[idontwantaname]

8. yes karl. because saddam and osama were bedbuddies right? n/t.

[jseankil]

10. Pure emotion and no rational thought? /nm

nm

[atreides1]

15. But we've learned our lesson

And a good percentage of us will never trust what they say ever again, and that number is getting larger. You refuse to question the tactics used by Israel! Have you ever questioned the tactics used by the US military in Iraq, or are you proud of the siege of Fallujah too?

[n2doc]

9. There seem to be four lines of reasoning

1. If they kill enough civilians the rest will turn on Hesbollah and make them stop. (sure, happens all the time)
2. If they show they are tough and ruthless enough Hezbollah will cower in fear of Isreal's might. The return of the Roman "Let them fear what they don't respect" (Also doesn't seem to be working)
3. Keep Bombing until they "wipe out" Hesbollah. As you note this also doesn't seem to be working as it is accomplishing the opposite. They may be able to do enough damage to stop the attacks for a short while, though.
4. Just Kill because of the old "eye for an eye" thing. Hezbollah kills civillians, so it is ok for the IDF to do the same, in fact, they would be cowards if they didn't do so. This unfortunately seems to be the major reason given on DU and in the MSM. Doesn't say much for our civilization, does it?

[iamahaingttta]

11. I believe they understand...

...what they are doing. I also believe it us who do not understand what they are doing. There is an agenda being played out that we are not privy to.

[John Gauger]

12. You forget - Israel, as our client state, is incapable of terrorism

Professor Chomsky can explain it all. Since as a country we are not serious about morality, we need not apply the standard of universality to ourselves or our friends. Even though their acts fit the very simple definition of terrorism, they may do anything they want without fault.

*Editid for spelling*

[idontwantaname]

14. the israeli left

The proposal of
The Lebanese government
To deploy 15 thousand soldiers
Is a ladder that allows us
To get down from the tree.

Let's stop
Endangering the
Lives of our soldiers
For no purpose.

Get the soldiers
Out of this quagmire -
N O W !




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[izzie]

16. Why yes they have done it before in the West Bank

they will end up coming in and bulldozing all these towns and put the people in pens and the kids will be shot if they throw a stone. Get with it we have seen this all before in the name of defending them self they feel they have the right. This time I fear Hezballah knew what was coming so got ready. Am. can give weapons to Israel but Iran can not give weapons to Hezballah seems to be the hitch. To bring the people and their land to their knees has worked for them before so why not do it once more? We did it for 10 years slowly in Iraq our self. And then we went in. Maybe the Middle East is starting to know our tricks?

[Peace Patriot]

17. No, I don't think it does. I think Israel is steeped in fear and

militarism, and can't see out of it. I was listening to three young Israelis on CSpan radio a couple of days ago, and they were saying they expect a "hundred years war." And I heard depression and despair in their voices. Israel has been embattled for so long, that I think battle fatigue has set in--the inability to envision anything else. Also, I don't think that Israel's rightwing leadership fully realizes what a bad, bad mistake they've made, allying with the despised fascist Bush junta. The Bush Cartel would abandon Israel in a cold minute, if they see profit in it. Israel's only REAL, reliable, long term ally is the American people--and they have put that friendship at risk by alliance with our Overlords. They are playing out Plan B of the Bushite/NeoCon "Project for a New American Century"--how to get a widened Mideast war, and grab all Mideast oil fields, against the overwhelming opposition of the American people to any U.S. participation in a widened war. Answer: get Israel to do it. Israel is creating conditions of chaos and anger that make a "Gulf on Tonkin" incident easier to pull off, an excuse for the Bush junta to jump into "Israel's war." I think Israel is being used. Its rightwing leadership is willing enough, but neither they nor the Israeli people can see the peril of it. They are all alone in the world right now, except for the most hated leaders on earth. I hope some vision, and wisdom, and creativity will arise in Israel to break from the Bushites, and side with the oppressed peoples of the Middle East. It would take a lot of vision, and a lot of wisdom, and a lot of creativity, to do it. I don't know if Israelis can see past their fear, to a regional security pact, and an initiative toward a prosperous, peaceful Middle East, or rid themselves of war profiteers--the drivers of all this carnage--as we must do.

[undergroundrailroad]

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