Please provide ONE EXAMPLE of Israel provoking armed conflict

[jrd200x]

when they haven't been attacked first.

I'm talking about starting a large-scale conflict that is offensive, no defensive.

I'm so tired of all the posters on this board talking about Israel's unprovoked attacks on the world. I can't find a single example where they were not moving to defend their country as a result of terrorist, or military attack.

An please, don't cite the USS LIberty. That tired old example was 1: forgiven by the US, 2: most likely a mistake, 3: it did not lead to any kind of armd conflict, and 4: was FIFTY YEARS AGO. Oh, and the US was spying on Israel at the time.

[burythehatchet]

1. Sharon going to the Temple Mount

[jrd200x]

9. That was armed conflict?

Oh, and isn't that in Israel. Please - pretty lame example

[burythehatchet]

24. YOU SAID PROVOKED>

That provoked the intifada!! :mad:

[Behind the Aegis]

29. No, it did not.

[jrd200x]

37. Sorry. They didn't ATTACK anyone militarily to

cause the Intifada. btw, the Intifada was the dumbest thing Palestinians ever did.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. Well, if you want to talk about what "provoked" various attacks on Israel

the number one item is Israel's very existence, itself.

I guess the question is whether that is a legitimate "provocation", or not.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. While I may agree it was not wise, please explain how it was

"provocation of armed conflict"

You know, if I tell someone they have a small dick, is that provocation of armed conflict, too?

[WinkyDink]

23. Good thing he didn't also carry an editorial cartoon depicting Mohammed.

[burythehatchet]

28. har

[not systems]

2. Lebanon 2006 n/t

[jrd200x]

bzzzz. sorry. Thank you for playing. They were provoked

with missles and kidnapping.

[not systems]

26. They provoked with missiles and kidnapping...

sorry your wrong.

[burythehatchet]

3. Land grabs

[jrd200x]

14. bzzzzt. NOT. It's not armed agression and these so-called

"land grabs" were the result of them defending themsleves agains armed agressors - and beating the pants off of them.

[uppityperson]

21. land grabs back when Israel was formed

[Behind the Aegis]

27. Not quite...but don't let history get in your way.

[WinkyDink]

32. Link to a non-Palestinian website for this?

[jrd200x]

40. Sorry. Don't you have ANYTHING?

[burythehatchet]

34. you're deludede. Delete this bullshit thread now please.

[jrd200x]

43. If you wouldn't keep posting muslim propaganda it would be

a good thread. 20 resposes and no one has anything

[not systems]

57. Someone sure has nothing and has turned to libel...

I think that person is you.

[burythehatchet]

4. House demolitions

[jrd200x]

18. Sorry. The demolitions were done to houses that terrorists

used to hide, build bombs, and shoot as Israeli soldiers and civilians,

[burythehatchet]

20. Wanna bet me $17, 500 on that?

[cool user name]

31. Incorrect ...

Read the reports of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions.

Oh, but easier to destroy homes and then say "They were owned by terrorists" instead of saying, "Well, we wanted a Jewish settlement here so we demolished Palestinian homes."

[RadiDem]

5. Jenin -nt-

[jrd200x]

22. Jenin was festering with terrorists.

and history has proven that there was no such thing as a "massacre." Just muslim propaganda.

[burythehatchet]

6. Settlemets

[jrd200x]

25. This is getting boring. Tell me you have SOMETHING?

something that you can use to back up your posts.

[not systems]

7. Bombing the Iraqi reactor 1981. n/t

[jrd200x]

30. duhh. They were building an A-Bomb to use against Israel

and everyone but Iraq and, apprarently you, was happy they did it.

[not systems]

38. Prove it. n/t

[burythehatchet]

8. Water diversion

[dipsydoodle]

48. Remeniscent of the Life of Brian

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us ? :)

[burythehatchet]

10. Assissanition of witness against Sharon

in War Crimes trial.

[jrd200x]

45. So when will you give us one?

[burythehatchet]

11. Oh yeah... you said ONE

[uppityperson]

16. !

:thumbsup:

[chimpymustgo]

13. Damn this is a terrific thread. But I think it violates our new rules.

Gotta post a link.

[burythehatchet]

19. IBTL X 20

[burythehatchet]

15. 2 major spy scandals, oh yeah , ONE

[WinkyDink]

36. Is spying now violent?

[burythehatchet]

44. you're full of it. PLEASE delete this crap.

[cool user name]

17. You can start with the War of Independence ...

then proceed to every conflict to date save for 1973 Yom Kippur war. That was the only war that the Israelis didn't start.

[Behind the Aegis]

41. .

:eyes:

[jrd200x]

50. Now I want some of what you're smoking.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. They Started The War In 1948? Really

In 1967 Nasser closed the Straits Of Tiran . That was a causus belli according to international law.
The Syrian support for feyadeen raids into Northern Israel was also a causus belli.

[tocqueville]

33. the recent bombing of Christian areas in Lebanon

every observer agrees that its sole purpose was to start a civil war between Christians and Muslims by putting the blame on the Hezbollah ("they started the war so you have to pay"). There is no OTHER meaning in it. Small Christian villages or Christian Beirut neighbourhoods don't contain any strategic or military assets or are hideouts for the Hezbollah. This is a pure war crime, a hideous crime.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

35. Nothing happens in a vacuum.... not on either side... this is not

what you are seeking, but it is an eye opener if you check it thoroughly.... I read the whole article and wonder what we would do if Mexico took Texas.

As an article in The Israeli Digest pointed out, ?The Golan was needed as a buffer between Israel and Syria. Once communities were established there, it no longer acted as a buffer. The Golan itself then required a buffer.? (May 24, 1974)

http://www.searchforjustice.org/faqs/golan.html

The Syrian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement (SIGAA) of 1949 created a demilitarized buffer zone between the two countries. Despite the Agreement, Israel was found in violation of the accord by the UN Security Council in 1951, 1956, and 1962. The US, under Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy, voted yes on all three Security Council resolutions.

The Demilitarized Zone was declared neutral by the Armistice Agreement, presumably to give Israel the security she sought. Fred J. Khoury, professor of political science at Villanova University, described how Israel, after signing the Agreement, ?. . . claimed sovereignty over the entire zone; seized control over the greater part of it; set up fortifications in it and sent in heavily armed frontier police, and heavy military equipment into it.? (Middle East International, October 1974) The UN and the US (including Ralph Bunche who helped write the SIGAA) protested that Israel had no right to assert sovereignty over or to fortify the zone.

In 1951, Khoury writes, ?Israel began razing, despite UN objections, most of the Palestinian homes and other buildings? in several villages in the Demilitarized Zone, forcing hundreds of Palestinians to flee. Although the UN Security Council urged Israel to allow the refugees to return, ?few were allowed to return permanently and no compensation was given for the destroyed Arab properties and the confiscated Arab lands.?

The Christian Science Monitor, in a March 4, 1960, editorial about one such village, Tawafik, observed:

[burythehatchet]

39. Can you all please alert this thread.

Its another lame ass attempt to divide and piss off.

[RadiDem]

47. Attack on USS Liberty

[Behind the Aegis]

.

:eyes:

[uppityperson]

52. done a while ago.

[RadiDem]

42. IDF attack on Gaza beach June 9 2006

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1799825,00.html

[whosinpower]

46. Targeted assasinations

Kidnapping the palestinian lawmakers.(you gotta admit - that is a big one)
Bombing a family while they picniced on the beach. (another big no-no)
Violating Lebanese airspace numerous times.
Targeted assasinations.
Many kidnappings and illegally holding them.....

Holding 9000(?) prisoners indefinately without court or charges - including women and children....some upwards of 30 years.

[Tom Joad]

53. 1967 was a war of choice, according to Israeli leaders.

On August 8, 1982, Prime Minister Begin made a speech saying, "In June, 1967, we again had a choice. the Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him" (New York Times, August 21, 1982).

[jrd200x]

59. SOme choice. Five armies were arrayed against them

and ready to attack. The fact that Israel kicked their ass$ first before they could get their lame-asses together is irrelevant.

[RadiDem]

54. 1967 Yom Kippur war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -nt-

[jrd200x]

56. OMG! You're delusional.

they were attacked by FIVE COUNTRIES.

[Name removed]

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[Warren Stupidity]

60. I think you need a time out. nt.

[jrd200x]

63. Funny. SInce you can't name a single incident I need a time out

you got NOTHING.

[not systems]

61. Face it they can do no wrong... never have never will...

:crazy:

[Warren Stupidity]

58. At the risk of stating the obvious: this war.

"I'm talking about starting a large-scale conflict that is offensive" - using the excuse of a minor border skirmish to launch an assault on the entire nation of Lebanon fits the bill perfectly. Not that you will see it this way, of course.

[jrd200x]

62. "Using a border squirmish" is offensive?

sounds pretty defensive.

They fired missles into Israel
They kidnapped some soldiers during this "squirmish>

[undergroundrailroad]

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