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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 07:45 PM
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"Empire comes to Lebanon"
Empire comes to Lebanon

AIJAZ AHMAD

The U.S.-Israel axis goes all out to remove the last impediments to building a "New Middle East".

LET us begin with a supposedly "undisputed" fact:

The official story, told first by the Israeli government and automatically accepted by governments and media outlets across the world, is that Hizbollah is a Muslim fundamentalist, terrorist organisation which periodically lobs shells and rockets into civilian population centres of northern Israel and that, in its latest outrage on July 12, it attacked a border military post inside Israeli territory, killing six Israeli soldiers and capturing two. Having waited several years for "the international community" and the Lebanese government to disarm this "terrorist" organisation, Israel is said to have been finally exasperated by this latest outrage and, acting in self-defence, it decided to retaliate so as to "break Hizbollah" for ever and ever, for the sake of the security of its citizens.

This official version raises some basic questions regarding the character of Hizbollah itself, about the very incident that is supposed to have "provoked" Israel beyond endurance, and about the scope of Israel's "retaliation".

The background to the rise of Hizbollah is instructive, as is its present role in Lebanese politics in general. There is a long history of United States and Israeli military interventions in Lebanon, dating back to the landing of U.S. Marines there in 1958 and including major Israeli invasions in 1978 and 1982, which predate the very formation of Hizbollah. It was in 1978 that Israel first captured a large swath of territory in the predominantly Shia region of southern Lebanon and held it as a self-declared "security zone" until a Lebanese armed resistance movement, led by Hizbollah, put an end to that occupation, except for a mountainside at the point where the borders of Israel and Syria meet with that of Lebanon, known as Shebaa Farms, which Israel has continued to occupy and which therefore continues to be a point of military contention between the occupiers and the resistance.

Hizbollah itself came into being some four years after the invasion of 1982, when Israel occupied about half of Lebanon, destroyed much of Beirut and oversaw the infamous massacres of Palestinians in the Sabra and Shatila camps on the outskirts of the city. In its formative phase, Hizbollah drew many of its guerilla fighters from among the relatives of those who had been killed during the Israeli invasions and, throughout its history, it has been based predominantly among the Shias who constitute roughly half the population of Lebanon, the overwhelming majority in the south and the bulk of the urban poor in Beirut itself. Until 2000, it was devoted almost exclusively to fighting the Israeli occupiers. After evicting the Israelis from virtually the whole of southern Lebanon, it entered into Lebanese politics as a party and now has 12 members in Parliament and two in the Cabinet; there are other forces, including wholly secular as well as non-Muslim forces, which are allied with it in a parliamentary bloc. In fact, the list of candidates for the alliance it led during the 2005 elections included five Christians, three Sunni Muslims and a Druze alongside 14 Shia candidates. <more>

http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/stories/20060811005800600.htm
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:44 PM
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1. thanks for thos post. It confirms what I remembered, that the Israeli
soldiers were captures (not kidnapped) in Southern Lebanon.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:28 PM
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3. try reading sloweeeerr
it attacked a border military post inside Israeli territory, ...the israeli soldiers were in israel.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:30 PM
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6. Actually not. It was in Lebanon.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:33 PM
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7. If you actually read the article...
you would have seen this:

As for the incident of July 12 itself, when Hizbollah is supposed to have attacked a military post inside Isreal, there is reason to be sceptical.

The initial report filed by Agence France-Presse (AFP) actually said that "According to the Lebanese police force, the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aitaa al-Chaab, near to the border with Israel, where an Israeli unit had penetrated in middle of morning."

The Associated Press (AP) gave the same version on July 12: "The militant group Hizbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbour to look for them. The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity."

This was also the account published in The Hindustan Times the same day: "The Lebanese Shi'ite Hizbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. `Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon,' a statement by Hizbollah said. `The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place,' it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they `infiltrated' into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border."

This line of reporting was completely suppressed after Israel put forward its claim that it was Hizbollah that had attacked its territory, killed its soldiers and kidnapped two others, so that it could claim to be attacking Lebanon in retaliation. We do know that an Israeli tank got blown up in Lebanese territory in the course of that incident. Israelis claim that they had sent that tank to chase the Hizbollah guerillas who had kidnapped Israeli soldiers. Hizbollah, by contrast, claims that the tank was part of the Israeli incursion into Lebanon, got blown up by a landmine, and Israeli soldiers were taken prisoner after a gun battle. Hizbollah's version seems more credible in the light of the reports we have quoted above.

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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:41 PM
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4. sheba farms
are not part of lebanon

israel pulled out to what are lebanon's internationally recognized borders (as verfied by the UN)

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IntiRaymi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:05 PM
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5. Yes, the IDF members were arrested inside Lebanon.
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idontwantaname Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 01:09 AM
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8. not that ive read this article yet
but on larry king live they had a ex-US military dude who had a neat topo map which showed where the israelis were attacked... it was well within lebanons borders
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 06:42 AM
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9. arrested
1)by what right does hizbollah have to arrest anyone? they are an illegal armed force/terror group. they operate completely independed of the lebanese government.
2)they were captured in israel as per this boston globe report

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2006/07/12/hezbollah_captures_2_israeli_soldiers/

Hezbollah militants crossed into Israel on Wednesday and captured two Israeli soldiers. Israel responded in southern Lebanon with warplanes, tanks and gunboats, and said eight of its soldiers had been killed in the violence."

3)the area that hizbollah crossed into is NOT lebanese territory, sheba farms is NOT part of lebanon.


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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 08:39 AM
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10. It appears, from your statement...
...that when convenient, International borders are recognized by Israel (and by proxy, their supporters).

So this consideration of "borders" begs the question:

Were the soldiers captured inside of the Internationally recognized borders of Israel?
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ancient_nomad Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 08:49 PM
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2. An Excellent Post......
Thank you so much!
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 12:58 PM
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11. Killed the thread with one question...
sorry 'bout that chief.

But I didn't bring up "Internationally recognized borders", I simply walked through the door someone else opened.
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