Islamic Jihad warns Israel of limit to patience

[Herschel]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s902888.htm

"Palestinian radical group Islamic Jihad, which has called a temporary halt to attacks on Israel, says its patience is being tested by Israel's failure to free Palestinian prisoners.

The group's armed wing said in a statement sent to AFP that it would give "an appropriate answer at a suitable time" if Israel "continues its violations against our people"."

Or to say, free killers to kill again or we will kill again! This is a peace partner? Oh, my.

[el_gato]

1. hmmm

As if the IDF is any better.

[Herschel]

2. They are better

Do they set out to murder innocents? Do they celebrate the death of innocents? I think you know the answer.

[avtho]

3. Rachel Corrie

comes to mind. Followed closely by USS Liberty.

[Darranar]

5. Neither example...

was celebrated. Either could have well been an accident. The USS Liberty was almost certainly one, and there is a good chance that Rachel Corrie's death as well was an accident. Even if it wasn't, it was an action by a single bulldozer driver, not a planned assasination by the IDF.

[Herschel]

9. Please!

Neither was shown to be deliberate murder. Nor were the deaths of those servicemen or that misguided woman celebrated.

[Equinox]

11. Misguided?

Advocating peace is misguided? Not sure how to argue against that.

[Herschel]

14. Perhaps

Standing in front of a bulldozer is.

[Jim Sagle]

22. How about the 241 Marines in Lebanon?

[Equinox]

10. This is true, Herschel.

The Israeli Army has on numerous occasions killed innocent civilians. I don't believe either side should be pointing fingers.

[newyorican]

4. Your *statement* is utter drivel

and should be separated from the body of the text from the article.

"Or to say, free killers to kill again or we will kill again! This is a peace partner? Oh, my." - Herschel

You state that every prisoner is a killer and that is so blatantly false as to bring to question the intelligence of someone that would post such a stupid and hateful message. Old men and women as well as minors are among your so-called "killer" population, but what the hell, right? Your attitude is living proof that there are those that feel Palestinians (just being alive) are a threat to the exsistence of Israel. A good long look in the mirror is in order, after you reject the hatred though, as it will do you no good until then.

[Cassandra]

6. Are you so sure...

that Islamic Jihad is distinguishing among classes of prisoners, or are they insisting that all be released. How many here assume that they want the killers released and that they don't care as much about the old people and minors?

[newyorican]

7. I could care less about what IJ says,

but if you are going to paraphrase the demand for the release of prisoners with any accuracy the answer to your question is obvious. All groups have demanded that all prisoners be released. That's what they said. They did not say, "Release only the killers, women and children mean nothing to us." as you insinuate. As for "assuming", I don't play that game (That's the result of not being afraid to say, "I don't know.") so there is one less ass flapping in the breeze around your rather chauvanistic assumptions.

[Herschel]

8. Are you saying

There are no murderers amongst those the killers demand freedom? I did not say all were killers! Still, they are all in prison for a reason.

[Equinox]

12. Sometimes that reason could be simply being Palestinian.

I'm sure there are a ton of murderers. I'm also willing to bet there are innocent prisoners as well. Look at Gitmo.

[Herschel]

13. Show me where

Show me where there are a ton of murders. Show me where people were imprisoned for being Palestinian. Are there? I think you know the answer.

[newyorican]

16. well...

If about 2000 out of the several thousand prisoners are classified as militants..oops, I mean *murderers*, that would give you about 100 - 200 tons of militan...*murderers*. (Given bodyweights ranging from 100 - 200 lbs.)

Is that with or without ammo and weapons?? Hmmm....

[Herschel]

17. I misunderstood Equinox

I thought he said there were tons of murders by Israelis. My error.

[newyorican]

15. I usually don't respond...

to remarks that start with "Are you saying..." and "What you mean is..." because 99.9% of the time it is a moronic attempt to rearrange my words to change the meaning into some nefarious strawman.

*Yet still they try.*

"Are you saying There are no murderers amongst those the killers demand freedom?"

'Scuse me while I fight grammatical vertigo...But you know I didn't say "There are no murderers" because you can read and write as well as anyon, er...well, you can read and write. The above quote is quintessential strawman nonsense. That's if I comprehend who you're referring to as "killers" and "murderers". :eyes:

I did not say all were killers!

Yes you did. Your statement (in all of its hateful glory):

"Or to say, free killers to kill again or we will kill again! This is a peace partner? Oh, my."

You were speaking in reference to the Palestinian prisoners being help in Israeli camps (to help with their concentration?). There is no qualifier in your statement, hence you *are* referring to all prisoners as "killers" (or was that murderers, are they interchangable?). The fact that you spewed it out as a *statement* rather than opinion is what started this spanking, now don't make me get the paddle.

And lastly,

"Still, they are all in prison for a reason."

Still? STILL!?! Still what? Still even if they are innocents in prison it's because they are Palestinian and that is reason enough. There I think that's where you were stumbling blindly towards, does that help? If I am wrong please tell me what you mean by "Still...". Please tell me that it is not abominably ugly chauvanism lurking beneath the surface of your words.

[Herschel]

18. Mind your tone

I see no point to endlessly discussing what I mean or did not mean. The Islamic Jihad terroist group demanded the release of Palestinian criminals, murderers amongst them. If you read my statement as all being murderers, we misunderstood. There was no hateful glory to my statement. Now listen. A group of murderers demands the release of all types of criminals, and tells us they will kill agian if this is not done! I am repulsed and outraged by this. Are you? You are excited by the little word "still". I just say that prisoners are in prison for a reason. If there are innocents amongst them, they should be released.

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