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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:00 PM
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Revealed: the shrapnel evidence that points to Israel's guilt
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"Israel has dismissed continuing calls for an independent international inquiry into the beachfront explosion which killed seven members of a Palestinian family in Gaza last Friday after its own internal military investigation decided it was not responsible for the blast.

As the military investigation team insisted that artillery fire had stopped by the time the explosion occurred and suggested it had been caused by a bomb planted in the sand, Amir Peretz, the Defence Minister, declared: " The accumulating evidence proves that this incident was not due to Israeli forces."

But the official interpretation was strongly challenged by a former Pentagon battle damage expert who has surveyed the scene of the beach explosion. He said yesterday that "all the evidence points" to a 155mm Israeli land-based artillery shell as its cause.

Marc Garlasco, who worked in war zones including Iraq and Kosovo during his seven-year stint in the US Department of Defence, called for an independent investigation into the killings after concluding that shell fragments and shrapnel from the site, the size and distribution of the craters on the beach, and the type of injuries sustained by the victims made Israeli shelling easily the likeliest cause."

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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:09 PM
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1. "Didn't do it" Israel/Bart Simpson
and AIPAC isn't involved in wholesale bribery and extortion of the US Congress

nor is Pharma nor was Abramoff nor is any other K street lobby lawyer

:sarcasm:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:09 PM
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2. Hogwash!
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:18 PM
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3. Thank you for the full rebuttal. How can Human Rights Watch
argument stand now???

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/06/13/isrlpa13544.htm
Gaza City, June 13, 2006) – Israel should immediately launch an independent, impartial investigation of a June 9 Israeli artillery strike on a beach north of Gaza City, Human Rights Watch said today. Seven Palestinian civilians picnicking on the beach were killed that day and dozens of others were wounded.

There has been much speculation about the cause of the beach killings, but the evidence we have gathered strongly suggests Israeli artillery fire was to blame. It is crucial that an independent investigative team, with the necessary expertise, verify the facts in a transparent manner.

Human Rights Watch researchers have visited the site to examine the fatal crater and have interviewed victims, witnesses, security and medical staff.

“There has been much speculation about the cause of the beach killings, but the evidence we have gathered strongly suggests Israeli artillery fire was to blame,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, director of the Middle East and Africa division at Human Rights Watch. “It is crucial that an independent investigative team, with the necessary expertise, verify the facts in a transparent manner.”

The independent investigation should involve the use of external, international experts. Human Rights Watch called on the Palestinian Authority to permit such an investigation, including allowing access to the site by the investigative team. Israel has carried out an internal army probe into the incident and released its findings this evening, saying the explosion was not caused by an Israeli artillery shell. However, such internal investigations by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have generally fallen short of international standards for thorough and impartial investigations and have rarely uncovered the truth or held to account the perpetrators of violations, as documented in a 2005 Human Rights Watch report, Promoting Impunity: The Israeli Military’s Failure to Investigate Wrongdoing.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-14-06 11:24 PM
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4. the finer points...
"Mr Garlasco who is now the senior military analyst for Human Rights Watch, said yesterday: "Of course I can't be completely conclusive but all the evidence points to its being a 155mm Israeli shell which killed the Palestinians on the beach.""

"Mr Garlasco said that while he could not rule out the theoretical possibility that Palestinian militants had rigged up an unexploded 155mm shell to make an explosive device of their own, that too would have normally produced many more severe leg injuries."

"While acknowledging that this was not itself definite proof that the shell had killed the Palestinians he said some fragments and shrapnel which the Palestinian police explosives department say they took from the scene where the victims were killed were definitely from a 155mm shell."

"Mr Garlasco ruled out the possibility that the shells were naval, as originally thought, on the grounds that they were too large to be fired from Israeli navy coastal vessels."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:15 AM
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 12:16 AM
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6. Wow, so the guy HASN'T proved Israel did it!
Is he trying to blame Israel for something they didn't do?

I know, why don't they have an independent investigation to ensure that no one biases the outcome?
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 05:31 AM
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7. Yep, there should be an independent investigation carried out...
n/t
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