Largest labor union in Ontario unanimously votes to boycott Israel

[Scurrilous]

<snip>

"The largest labor union in the Canadian province of Ontario has voted unanimously to boycott Israel "until it recognizes the Palestinians' right of self-determination" and accepts all United Nations resolutions relating to Palestinians, including the right of return.

The Anti-Defamation League has harshly condemned the decision, calling it "deplorable and offensive."

The decision was made by the Ontario division of the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE), which has 450,000 members.

The union's decision says that it is joining an international campaign to boycott Israel and to impose sanctions on it, until it fulfills all UN resolutions including Resolution 194, which recognizes the right of return of Palestinian refugees from 1948. In addition, the union intends to support pro-Palestinian organizations in an educational campaign, which will depict Israel as an apartheid state.

It called on the national union to join it and to pass a similar resolution."


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/721952.html

[BayCityProgressive]

1. wow

Boycott Israel and not your own prime minister who supports war in Iraq. Or the Chinese who use Tibet as a garbage heap ect....all if this anti-Israel crap is starting to get scary...

[meti57b]

2. Undoubtedly, that union is boycotting the United States......

for our invasion and occupation of Iraq and our killing large numbers of Iraqis.

[Poll_Blind]

9. I think they'd have a damn fine case to do so if they did.

I find our current government's actions equally wrong, just as I take issue with Israel's current government. Should either of them decide to change their ways, ther would be no need for such pressure.

PB

[meti57b]

18. "Equally" wrong? Do you seriously call the two situations "equally wrong"?

And why haven't they boycotted the United States? Why are they boycotting Israel and not the United States, which is currently engaged in all-out war against Iraq?

Because it's Ontario's largest union of hypocrites.

[idontwantaname]

25. perhaps

after 20 years of US occupation in iraq the union will boycott the US. of course the US is there to liberate the iraqis... i dont know that the irsaelis in the settlements could claim the same: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x126603

[Tom Joad]

3. Boycotting the only nation in the M.E. to support Bush policies?

Cool.

No doubt, they are also working hard to end Canada's involvement in Iraq. such efforts are not mutually exclusive.

Let's remember that the occupation of Palestine has gone on for nearly 40 years, and it seems to be time to increase the pressure. If govts. won't do it, other institutions must make it happen.

[meti57b]

5. Boycotting the only Jewish nation in the world?

NOT cool.

[Tom Joad]

6. Was it right to boycott South Africa...

The only White-Ruled state in Africa?

[meti57b]

17. The world is replete with white-ruled nations.

I said "the only Jewish nation in the world", not the only Jewish nation In some region of the world.

And stop with the false comparison to South Africa. That's nothing more than propaganda and you know it.

[idontwantaname]

23. insinuating this is an issue of antisemitism is propaganda too

criticism of the states policies in the west bank and gaza is NOT criticism of the states religious practices.

[meti57b]

27. "religious practices?" What does religious practices have to do with this?

[idontwantaname]

29. ? youre the one who kept mentioning israel was the only jewish state. nt.

[meti57b]

45. Are you unknowledgeable of the fact that Jews are an ethnic/nationality

in addition to a religion?

Otherwise, I truly don't quite get the point you are trying to make.

[idontwantaname]

46. and i dont get the point youre trying to make

in at least 3 different posts you made the point that israel is "the only Jewish nation in the world"

what does this have to do with the boycott?????????????

[Poll_Blind]

8. It's not being boycotted because it's a Jewish nation, it's because...

...of their atrocious human rights' "policies" and wanton disregard for International Law.

What makes you think this boycott is just aimed at Jews in Israel?

Also, if this really were the case, wouldn't you expect the boycotts to mention boycotting Jewish-owned/run businesses outside of Israel?

PB

[meti57b]

19. If that is the criteria, then why are they not boycotting ......

other nations that fit that criteria, for example the United States and also Britain who is complicit with the United States in Iraq.

"It's not being boycotted because it's a Jewish nation, it's because...
...of their atrocious human rights' "policies" and wanton disregard for International Law. "

[geek tragedy]

11. Why aren't they boycotting pro-war British academics?

Why aren't they boycotting Chinese academics who refuse to condemn the cultural genocide in Tibet?

[idontwantaname]

26. i would like to see that

these would be good to call attention to. i amnot a canadian resident, nor am i a member of any union. but maybe you could hook up with some of those folks and suggest they divest from those other groups.

[barb162]

33. See post 34; less than a 1000 delegates out of 200,000 voted

The article strongly indicates if all the members voted, the result would be , um, slightly different

[sabbat hunter]

20. re do your math

palestine has been occupied for more than 40 years. israel was founded in 1947. egypt and jordan occupied the lands for 20 years.


why was no palestine founded in 1947? why did their arab bretheren not allow them their own country for the 20 years that the controlled them?

[geek tragedy]

4. The right of return?

So, in part, they're boycotting Israel for existing, since the right to return is nothing less than a means of destroying it.

[Poll_Blind]

7. "destroy" as in possibly ending the Jewish majority in Israel?

It's worth making the distinction and I believe that is what you are saying. Resolution 194 is clear that the only refugees that would be allowed back would be those that would "live at peace with their neighbours", so I don't think you're implying that the Arab refugees who return would physically use their position inside Israel to physically destroy it.

Am I correct in this interpretation?

And by the way, do you interpret "Jewishness" to be a relfection of genetics or religion? If genetics, then do you count converts to Judaism with the Jewish population or not?

PB

[geek tragedy]

10. The right of return = one state solution.

The end result would be Jewish Israelis being ruled by the folks who voted Hamas into power.

I believe national suicide is against the Israeli constitution.

[Tom Joad]

12. Constitution? Israel does not have a constitution.

[sabbat hunter]

21. it has an unwritten constitution

much like england.

[Poll_Blind]

13. Do you mean the "Declaration of Establishment of State of Israel"?

Joad, as usual, is correct- there is no formal Israeli constitution.

Is that the document you're speaking of?

PB

[geek tragedy]

35. Merely meant to point out

that Israel isn't going to negotiate away its own existence.

[pelsar]

14. what shall they boycott....

israeli research? israeli products? israeli medical technology...

the real question is how hypocritical will they be...will those here also who support the boycott will you have the minimum of guts to also follow through and boycott products that have come out of israeli universities and factories and facilities....


or not......?


oh and if the reason is not because its a jewish state and because of the occupation, i am waiting for the continuation...the longer list of countries that also deserve to be boycotted....if not how can one escape the obvious: israel being singled out or is Israel truly the evil of all evils and no country today can even remotly compete with it?

but back to the boycott, for those who acutally do volunteer to follow through (anybody?)....i'll find a nice long list of things that was a result of the israeli mind......

[idontwantaname]

24. boycott

so far that i know, coastie and myself are personally boycotting gas/oil. at present i am vehicle-less and loving it. i would love nothing more than to boycott the US' occupation fiscally through tax resistors league... but ive not yet taken that step. it is something i should work toward though.

[4freethinking]

15. Once the flames being to catch the wind will blow them

higher. The ADL can call it what they want. And like fire it's going to spread no matter what tactics are used against it. It's not going to stop with unions in Canada. It will spread to other areas in Canada.

[pelsar]

16. and will you join the boycott?

are you willing to do something now?....i can give you a short list of which products to stop using if you would like.....or is this just a "blah blah" kind of thing where your not willing to?...

[4freethinking]

22. What I'm I doing?

It ain't blah blah it's looking at the bar code every time I shop.

[pelsar]

30. let me help...if dont want you to be the hypocrite:

since israeli research doesn't show up in bar codes....and since the british boycott is targeting the "research" aspect.

here are somethings that don't have barcodes...but that if you believe in the boycott and don't want to be hypocritical:

Intel chips - yes that means you'll have to find another means of communicating: (you can use pentium 3....on the older computers or the older macs).

Instant messaging

VoIP (voice over IP)

even your cell phone...israeli developed at motorola

_________________________

thats just a few....i could go into the biofield...which probably means you should no longer visit hospitals since even the drug management system of many are using an israeli system....and for sure dont get involved in a accident/explosion involving lots of people and or loss of limbs...the treatment and systems used to save your live are israeli developed....you will refuse treatment correct?....loss of limbs?...you will refuse to accept the israeli developed system of rehabilitation correct?...

and if you do go to the doctor for internal pains..and he asks you to take the pill with the camera in it (so there is not exploratory surgery)...remember to reject it...israeli designed and manufacutured....do the surgery, even if its costs...remember you don't want to be a hypocrite...and one does want to keep that israeli research out of the worlds knowledge base.


_________________________

worried about oil...well if you don't want to use israeli technology and reseach...stay with it:

The California solar power stations using Israeli-developed technology in the 80s are still in operation....

_________________________

How about eating?...for sure you don't want to use vegetables that use the israeli developed drip system that saves water....so check in to only those farmers that use wasteful water techniques

I could go on...but at this point I'm guessing that since you are a principled person and do believe in boycotting israeli products and research, then you'll probably have to stop communicating with us:

unless of course you trade in your computer for one that is about 5 years old..no more IM, no more cell phone....

so what shall it be?....

[barb162]

31. game, set , match

[4freethinking]

42. Yeap

Game, set, match Israel is still being boycotted by 400,000+ union members.

[barb162]

51. Factually , that's quite incorrect as there is nothing that states

400,000 union members even voted on it. Just a handful(less than a thousand) of delegates
Also the union delegates who voted don't represent 400,000 members

[4freethinking]

39. Do my best

My machine:AMD processor(hey I heard the Israeli government liked them for their laptops)

instant messaging: what developed first world country has not developed this type of technology?

cellphones:technology that is not exclusive to Israel can and is developed in Europe, Asia, and the US.

As far as the rest of your post with all these great companies developing such great technology I guess Israel won't be needing the billions of US tax payer dollars they get every year? The fact is without the US pumping Israel full of our tax dollars a lot of these companies that developed these technologies would be paying a hell of a lot more in taxes and that would mean a lot less for RD. Just put it this way without our tax dollars Israel would be a less attractive place to do business.

[pelsar]

44. research...

instant messaging/research was orignially developed by israelis

the first cell phone WERE developed in israel along with the technology....which is being used..and your using it


just put it this way without our tax dollars Israel would be a less attractive place to do business.

and now your making excuses for israeli reseach and development....whatever the reason its being done...its still being done...and its israeli minds that are doing the research and development..and the products/systems being developed you obviously dont mind using.....

so this is a luxurious boycott (lots of blah blah): only boycott those products which dont interfere with my "quality of life"...or make me feel good...

you will be one of those who refuses israeli medical products and breakthroughs?..i dont recall you confirming that....

got a few more for you, if you want to carry the boycott beyond israeli research and development, shouldnt be hard...provided your a person of principle and believes in carrying out ones beliefs even if there are some sacrifices:

coca cola
Disney (no more movies)
IBM
Nestle
AOL Time Warner
Marks and Spencer
Revlon
Home Depot
Johnson and Johnson
Macdonalds

http://www.inminds.co.uk

[4freethinking]

48. Despite what you

think the world is not going to fall apart and certain technologies are not going to stop being developed or vanish from the face of the earth when the boycott advances/spreads to more organizations and governments. In the future Intel will be the first to find this out. Businesses in the world are not going to fall apart or stop functioning when they use the technology of a competitor(a large number already are maybe the majority) of an Israeli company. Technology is everywhere and it does not depend on what's coming out of Israel as the Israeli government found out with AMD.

As far as our tax dollars what would happen if we stopped giving it? How would the Israeli government make up for this loss of income? I could only think people and businesses would have to pay more in taxes. If their paying more taxes that leaves less for something else. Israel is not paying the full cost for Israel's existence. Part of the cost of Israel is differed to the tax payers of this country. The success of businesses in Israel comes at the expense of our tax payers. If our tax dollars did not come rolling into Israel I doubt these businesses would be enjoying the same success.

[barb162]

32. Thanks for mentioning that, I'll buy extras with the 729 barcode

[4freethinking]

41. You may want to buy even more extras

to make up for the products that remain on the shelves in Ontario.

[barb162]

52. I wonder th if the union members will buy more Israeli products

now. As will I

[Behind the Aegis]

28. Typical short-sighted idiocy

What a hollow and short-sighted vote. First, it all but blames the whole problem on Israel (bias and historically inaccurate). Second, the 'boycott' affects those who, while being Israeli, oppose the occupation. Finally, it is nothing more than the typical anti-Israeli bullshit that has become synonymous with legitimate complaints.

What an ignorant move and questionable motives.

[barb162]

34. CUPE's odd campaign against Israel

CUPE's odd campaign against Israel
Jun. 1, 2006. 01:00 AM


It's very odd. Of all the things the Ontario wing of CUPE, Canada's largest union, could have chosen to come out swinging against — or for — it picked on Israel.

snip
When was the last time CUPE passed a motion condemning Hamas for its psychotic, rambling charter calling for the indiscriminate killing of Jews?
snip

CUPE's motion is a one-dimensional, gratuitous gang-up on Israel, a favourite international punching bag.
snip

If CUPE is so worried about democratic process, here's a suggestion: Why doesn't it canvass all its 200,000 members in Ontario who, we are fairly certain, would not support the absurd boycott resolution
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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1149112209833&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795

[Scurrilous]

37. More from the Toronto Star:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1149198612415&call_pageid=970599119419

<snip>

In the wake of CUPE Ontario's decision to support an international boycott of Israel and to support Palestinian rights, the press has been full of letters and editorials condemning the union — but for contradictory reasons. On the one hand, the union is accused of taking up "political" and "global" issues that don't represent its members' interests. On the other hand, the union is accused of "singling out" Israel when it should target other states instead. CUPE's critics can't have it both ways.

The trade union movement in Canada has a long tradition of building international solidarity for oppressed people around the world — an act not incompatible with fighting for the day-to-day interests (wages, working conditions, benefits, etc.) of its own members. Canadian unions were among the first that, amid similar controversy, supported a boycott of apartheid South Africa in the 1980s. Today, we reflect on such campaigns with pride.

Furthermore, CUPE Ontario's decision was an impressive act of democracy. Nearly 900 elected delegates — the largest convention in the union's history — participated in the discussion and debate about the boycott while many of them had already passed similar resolutions at the local level.

This was not a decision imposed on the membership by an autocratic leadership. The members themselves made an informed and democratic decision. Just because some critics disagree with the decision, doesn't make it undemocratic.

As pressure mounts on Israel to respect international law, debates like these will continue. And so, too, will the accusations that Israel is being "singled out" from other states. The reality, however, is that Israel is being held to the same international standard that we've come to expect from countries that claim to be "democracies." Statehood means more than just status; it also means accountability and responsibility to the international community. It's time that Israel accepted this fact.

James Clark, Toronto


<snip>


I am writing in support of CUPE Ontario's passing of resolution 50. I am a Jewish woman and am a part of a large and ever-growing community of Jews across Canada who support this resolution and who are working for justice for the Palestinian people.

It is time the media pay some attention to these other voices out here, the voices calling for an end to the grave human, civil and social rights violations perpetrated against the Palestinian people by the state of Israel.

Naomi Binder Wall, Toronto


And from the Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060602.LETTERS02-1/TPStory/TPComment/Ontario/

<snip>

PATRICK (SID) RYAN

president, CUPE Ontario

Toronto -- Natan Sharansky (This Boycott Call Is Un-Canadian -- June 1), is right when he says Canadians have been key partners and leaders in global human-rights campaigns. The Canadian Union of Public Employees Ontario Division is proud to be part of that tradition.

We have a history of supporting just causes at home and abroad. That is why our members, at their 2003 national convention, supported a resolution calling on the Israeli government to withdraw immediately from the occupied territories and abide by UN resolutions 242 and 338. As well, they agreed to actively work toward an end to all acts of violence that take the lives of innocent people, whether they be Palestinian or Israeli.

But they are frustrated with a government that continues to build a wall that was declared illegal in 2004 by the International Court of Justice. They voted to join with many church congregations, a large number of organizations in Quebec and other unions around the world to support a boycott campaign against Israel.

The resolution submitted by several CUPE Ontario locals was designed to draw attention to the lives of ordinary, innocent civilians living in horrific conditions in Palestine. At the same time, our union continues to support a peace process based on equality between Israelis and Palestinians and based on the implementation of United Nations resolutions and international law.

[barb162]

53. in response to those first two LETTERS to the paper, both

writers, BTW, not identifying themselves as CUPE union members, here's a letter from an actual union member to the Star "Misinformed vote distresses member
Jun. 3, 2006. 01:00 AM

CUPE wrong to boycott Israel


Letter, June 1.

As a CUPE member for 22 years, I was extremely distressed to learn about my union's misinformed vote. If CUPE's goal is to build solidarity among its members, this vote will not help it to further that goal. In this country, people from other nations — many who may have been fighting in their countries of origin — live peacefully together. This vote can only serve to create hatred and divisiveness rather than the solidarity that CUPE says it is looking for. Inflammatory presentations resulting in unanimous votes only prove that hatred against one group of people is achievable."
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1149285033436&call_pageid=968332189003&col=968350116895


Something tells me those 900 odd delegates who voted for boycott are not representing the actual union membership.

[Scurrilous]

60. 200,000 union members/900 delegates...

...one delegate per 220+ members. Sounds like great representation to me.


http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1149285033451&call_pageid=970599119419

<snip>

"This editorial from the Montreal Gazette asks why CUPE doesn't canvass all its 200,000 members in Ontario regarding the resolution on boycotting Israeli goods that passed at our recent convention. That is like calling for a referendum on every question before Parliament or the provincial Legislature.

Delegates to our conventions are elected by their locals — and this year we had more delegates than ever before in our history. Our resolutions book is mailed out to all affiliated locals well before convention so that members have an opportunity to debate policy and give instructions to their delegates. You don't get much more democratic than that."

Patrick (Sid) Ryan,

President, CUPE Ontario,

Toronto

[barb162]

54. As far asthe "Globe and Mail " is concerned

snip"Even unions that have been sympathetic to Palestinian causes say they wouldn't go anywhere near as far as measures endorsed by the Canadian Union of Public Employees' Ontario wing.

"No, we don't support the boycott," said Arthur Sandborn, of the 200,000-strong Confédération des syndicats nationaux in Quebec. "None of the major unions are actually supporting this." snip
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060530.ISRAEL30/TPStory/TPNational/Ontario/

It doesn't look like any but the Ontario chapter's 900 delegates SUPPOSEDLY representing 200,000 members are big on this boycott

[Scurrilous]

57. Supposedly represent?

LOL

The delegates were elected by the union members to represent them.

Nothing supposed about it at all.

[barb162]

58. I think the union members expect delegates to represent them

on union matters versus international politics, at least from what I understand about unions and what I am reading in the Canadian press

[Scurrilous]

62. A democratic decision

"As a CUPE member who participated in our recent Ontario convention, I was relieved to read in your paper an accurate description of what actually happened there. So far, most press reports have suggested the decision to boycott Israel was imposed on us by our leaders without any discussion among our membership. The reality is that the resolution had been served to delegates months before the convention happened, giving both supporters and opponents plenty of time to debate its merits. No one can suggest the process was undemocratic.

Furthermore, CUPE also passed an emergency resolution — which has received no coverage in the press — condemning the recent crackdown by the Egyptian government on pro-democracy activists in Cairo. CUPE Ontario hasn't "singled out" Israel; instead, we have stood up against human rights violations everywhere, whether they're perpetrated by Israel, Egypt or any other repressive government."


Ali Mallah, Vice-president, CUPE District Council, Toronto

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1149460817829&call_pageid=970599119419

[barb162]

55. Ottowa Sun on the "Numbskull Nine Hundred" delegates, etc

http://ottsun.canoe.ca/News/OttawaAndRegion/2006/06/03/1612395-sun.html
CUPE errs on Israel
Boycott vote, sanctions an attack on the Jewish people, McRae writes

By EARL MCRAE, OTTAWA SUN
snip
They might also ask Ryan this: Was it coincidence or something sinister that the vote took place on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, that would have seen any observant Jews among the delegation stay away that day.
snip

"Mr. Ryan: Explain to me please CUPE's platform on the Untouchables of India --some 100 million people who for centuries have been stigmatized and victimized by the ruling castes of India. Explain for me, too, CUPE's stance on Robert Mugabe's regime --this nutcase has marginalized the white farmers of Zimbabwe, ruined the economy, arrested and tortured thousands of citizens and overall brutalized the country.

snip

"What's that? You DON'T have any public platform with respect to any of the above? But you DO have it in for the Israelis and their protective wall, introduced after Palestinian terror attacks killed 1,000-plus innocent Jewish souls?
snip

[barb162]

56. from the Canada Free Press

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/wajsman053106.htm
C.U.P.E. on Israel:
The echoes of dark evils
by Beryl Wajsman, Institute for Public Affairs of Montreal
Wednesday, May 31, 2006
snip
But perhaps the most telling part of CUPE’s duplicitous hypocrisy was that the vote was held on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, when there could be no effective, organized response from its Jewish members. Racism wears many cloaks and disguises. But in this case it was out in the open.

snip

If this is not done, Canadian labour’s dream of universal social justice will be hijacked by nests of nightcrawlers purveying nothing more than parochial prejudice. And on this there can be no debate. We must always stand ready to marshal our vigilance and resolve against the CUPEs and Ryans and Nastovskis of this land. For they are the dark evils from the mists of history. Evils whose true natures echo down to us through the decades from the lips of the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. who said in an address at Harvard that,

"Despite its significance to the Jewish Nation, the State of Israel has failed to alleviate the levels of anti-Semitism. It has simply allowed anti-Semites to masquerade themselves under the new banner of "anti-Zionism"." And what is an anti-Zionist? Someone who would deny to the Jewish people the fundamental rights and standards that we justly claim for all peoples and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friends, simply because they are Jews. In short, it is anti-Semitism. The anti-Semite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the anti-Semite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!."

[Scurrilous]

36. Boycott Israel :

http://www.mylinkspage.com/israel.html#COM

[pelsar]

38. I didnt see intel on the list...

or cellphones...


so are you going to follow through with the boycott an avoid israeli intellectual reseach and products?

or is this one of those "elite" type of boycotts where one boycotts only those products which dont bother your everyday life...

which is it?

[Scurrilous]

40. Boycott Israel Campaign: Intel

http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-intel.html

[pelsar]

43. are you joining?

or is this "blah blah"..somebody else should do the boycotting?

check above for a list thats just a bit longer...but i'm sure i can find more if your interested in actually carrying it out.


heres a parital list from the above site:

coca cola
Disney
IBM
Nestle
AOL
Marks and Spencer
Revlon
Home Depot
Johnson and Johnson
Macdonalds

[pelsar]

47. TO ALL BOYCOTTERS...

since i believe you are a principled bunch and probably advocate boycotting israeli research, development and products...i've developed a short list here, which i enjoyed finding.

now since much of israeli research involves such things that the poorer nations of the world might be interested in, such as increasing food production in arid and semi arid areas, water desalination techniques i am assuming that since israeli research should be boycotted, you prefer that many people (thousands?) die rather than use israeli developed techniques (that is the point of the UK boycott)....rather ironic on a "progressive site"...we prefer people to die rather than use israeli research/development and products
__________

but thats just for part of the world, the poorer part...for the more advanced where desalination plants aren't needed, or wind energy and solar energy techniques are really required may i suggest that you don't get cancer?....you'll have to forgo quite a few israeli developments:

lots of oncology research going on in israel:
gastric proton pump blocker, i.e., a prophylaxis against esophageal cancer is just one example

no liver problems either:
Liver directed gene therapy
Human embryonic stem cells
MRI as a tool for the study of vascular remodeling
Protein and gene therapy in the treatment of liver  failure and neoplasia

Basic Research on Molecular Genetics mostly focused on diseases of muscle.

and NO amputations! you might have to refuse israeli therapy techniques and limbs....you will wont you!....and don't get caught up in any serious trauma either...too much israeli knowledge in emergency medicine these days (when you "wakeup" remember to inquire which techniques were used...)

i could go on in the tech field, involving your cell phone, Instant messaging, your intel chips, security software, firewalls, G3 phone technology etc..meaning you might have to stop using 21st century communication tools

anybody have the principles to actually boycott israel....or is it just the soups we export....and besides what do you care about the poorer nations of the world where israeli technology (including satellite communications) actually saves lives.....

[Scurrilous]

49. With a little help from the outside

<snip>

"The laugh of fate: The state waging a broad international campaign for a boycott is simultaneously waging a parallel campaign, no less determined, against a boycott. A boycott that seriously harms the lives of millions of people is legitimate in its eyes because it is directed against those defined as its enemies, while a boycott that is liable to hurt its academic ivory tower is illegitimate in its eyes only because it is aimed against itself. This is a moral double standard. Why is the boycott campaign against the Palestinian Authority, including blocking essential economic aid and boycotting leaders elected in democratic and legal elections, a permissible measure in Israel's eyes and the boycott of its universities is forbidden?

Israel cannot claim the boycott weapon is illegitimate. It makes extensive use of this weapon itself, and its victims are suffering under severe conditions of deprivation, from Rafah to Jenin. In the past, Israel called upon the world to boycott Yasser Arafat, and now it is calling for a boycott of the Hamas government and via this government, all of the Palestinians in the territories. And Israel does not regard this as an ethical problem. Tens of thousands have not received their salaries for four months due to the boycott, but when there is a call to boycott Israeli universities, the boycott suddenly becomes an illegitimate weapon."

<snip>

"It would have been preferable had the opponents of the occupation in Israel not needed the intervention of external groups to fight the occupation. It is not easy to call upon the world to boycott your own country. It would have been better had there been no need for Rachel Corrie, James Miller and Tom Hurndall, bold people of conscience who paid with their lives after standing in front of the destructive bulldozers in Rafah. These young foreigners did the dangerous and vital work that Israelis should have done.

The same is true for the few peace activists who still manage to roam the territories, to protest and offer assistance to the victims of the occupation in the framework of organizations like the International Solidarity Movement(ISM)which Israel fights preventing its members from entering its borders. It would be better if Israelis mobilized to fight instead of them. But except for a few modest groups, there is no protest in Israel and no real mobilization. Thus, it only remains to hope for the world's help."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/722364.html

[pelsar]

50. you didnt answer the question....

avoided it....

seems by boycotting israel, especially on its research...you feel it perfectly alright to deprive many in the poorer nations and the dying of essential technology.

perhaps you would like to start a campaign in africa how they should avoid israeli drip technology for instance....?

how about when a building is blown up..better to keep israeli personal, technology and experience out of it so that people can die (would you go and protest the building site with signs saying "NO to israeli aid!, block the israeli diggers?...an would you do that if your family/friends were trapped?)

i believe that is what you and the british boycott are advocating


i'll put it in a single sentence: better people should die than make use of israeli knowledge...that seems to be what your advocating. If its not, perhaps you would like to enlighten me?

[Scurrilous]

59. What does irrigation in Africa...

...have to do with CUPE's boycott?

[pelsar]

61. israel works with 3rd world nations...

you dont seem to know much about israeli technologies....

Israeli agricultural research and technology is used throught the 3rd world

Sub-Saharan Africa Blooms with Israel's cooperation:
For the past five years, Pasternak has been busy in Niger - in the sub-Saharan area of Africa called the Sahel - developing a horticultural production system called the African Market Garden (AMG) for farmers with small parcels of land.

Alex Goniwe, one of the Association's leaders told ISRAEL21c, "We are very, very happy with it. We are planting vegetables throughout the year, instead of once. Before, we struggled with the water. This help from the Israeli Embassy has really put us forward. We are doing well."

http://www.addistribune.com/Archives/2004/07/02-07-04/Sub.htm

the world wide boycott of israeli research and development and products would remove technologies from poorer nations that use it to survive....in short the boycott would be a death sentence to many.....but then do you really care?

[Spinoza]

63. Obviously,

its only a coincidence that the only country in the world CUPE is voting to boycott is also the only country in the world with a Jewish majority.

[Poll_Blind]

64. You have to admit Israel, by its actions, draws attention to itself.

Flouting International Law, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights...these thing tend to, you know, call themselves to peoples' and organizations' attention.

PB

[pelsar]

65. no...thats not true at all...

if those were the reasons then why isnt Russia in the news everyday with their actions in Chechnya...there they actually carpet bomb villages..and really do target civilians.

how about Zimbabwa....where there really is racsim.. Tibet, Algeria. Sudan may be in the papers but perhaps its because the dead are in the 1,000s that its not that newsworthy (i believe that real genocide is probably against intl law).

i could easily name a dozen more wars where the the intl laws are "flouted", human rights (saudi arabia? iran?) and they are barely in the news....

why is that?