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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:34 PM
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Can someone tell me why the U.S. knows for a fact that the Jewish peopl...
are suppose to inhabit the land that the U.S. put them on in the 1940's. How do they know this is the land. If the maps were change sometime in the past, as I have heard how do they know this is the land. What was happening back then that made the U.S. claim this land for the Jewish people
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:39 PM
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1. The Bible is pretty specific with geographical details
Also there were no "Arabs" or "Palestinians" in Biblical times.
But, people calling themselves Arabs have lived on that land for 500 years or more.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:39 PM
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2. It was not the U.S.
Please go and read up on your history.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:40 PM
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3. I believe the Jewish people claimed the
land themselves. Read the book Exodus and you will have a good feel for what went on at the time. The Jewish Americans donated to the Israelis to help them. If I remember right, Golda Meir was instrumental in raising funds for them.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:41 PM
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4. Jewish people have lived in Palestine
since the time of Jesus-the big influx of Jews from Europe after WWII caused the big change in the region, I think. Perhaps someone more familiar with the area could tell me if this is true. I have also heard that "Asiatic Jews", meaning Jews who have lived in the Middle East for generations, were given less of a role in the Israeli government than the ones who came from Europe.

Jericho, a city mentioned in the Bible, is still there, with a tel nearby that has been excavated, showing habitation for about 9000 years. I'm sure other places, like Jerusalem and Bethleham, have been shown by archeologists to be in basically the same location as those cities mentioned in the Bible.

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 04:11 PM
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14. More or less.
Pre 1948, the population of then Palestine was pretty cosmopolitan, with a large variety of ethnic groups and cultures including both native Jews and a few western immigrants who came there to get away from Europe.

The sidelining of native Jews in the Israeli government is true, but for other reasons. The local Jews were mostly laid-back about the issue of an exclusively Jewish homeland--they'd lived in Palestine for hundreds, even thousands of years without a problem, and they didn't see the big deal. The Jews coming from Europe, spearheading the charge, were more likely to be hard-core Zionists, pushing the idea of a Jew-only state, and drawing support from the understandable paranoia following WW2. Since they were the most active, they were mainly the ones to establish the Israeli government, and imbued it with their personal zeal. So the local Jews, who would probably have been more moderate, mostly got frozen out of decisions--such as the attacks against the other ethnic factions of the region.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:43 PM
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5. It wasn't the US, but the UN.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:44 PM
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6. I'm not even sure what you are asking or alleging here...
Are you alleging that the maps were changed in the past and that therefore the area that is now Israel (for example, Bethlehem) was in fact someplace different?

Your question is totally incoherent...

But just for the hell of it...
How do we know London is London? How about Athens? It was Athens before the supposed birth of Christ in Bethlehem.

Whoever told you they "changed the maps" was most likely repeating the absurd propaganda of the various anti-semitic groups out there (and note i'm not calling that person an anti-semite, just that they were repeating anti-semitic propaganda. there is an important if fine distinction there).

Additionally it wasn't the US behind this push. I would actually recommend going and reading a a decent history of Israel. A decent start is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:46 PM
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7. Good point...
It's a bit of a stretch for sure...

Especially since Zionists also considered Kenya and part of the Ukraine as their homeland at one point...today some Zionists have extended the 'homeland' schtick to include the Babylon, after all Abraham and Sarah hung out there as well and they are Jewish, too ;-)
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 04:00 PM
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12. "... part of the Ukraine"? Do you mean Birobidzhan?
Birobidzhan is in Asian Russia - the Czars had a political prison there.

Also, oil was recently discovered there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birobidzhan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast
http://www.eao.ru/eng/

Unofficial flag - Russian Triband With Star of David:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ru-yev.html
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:49 PM
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8. You need to get your facts straight
Read some history books on Israel, as well as the old testament.
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appolonios of tyana Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:51 PM
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9. Yaaa...check up on the Sykes - Picot agreement...
And Google is just like having the whole set of Funk & Wagnall's encyclopedias! Not just up to (N-O)

Check it out....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes-Picot_Agreement
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:55 PM
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10. Butterfly77, what are you talking about?
Take everyone's advice and check out a good history book. Not a book written by someone with an agenda, but just a good history book.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 03:57 PM
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11. Your question belies
the axiom that there are no stupid questions.
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Burning Water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 04:02 PM
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13. What's this about
maps changing? What are you saying?
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 04:24 PM
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15. The US didn't put anybody on the land in the 1940's.
This region has been inhabited continuously, even after the Romans expelled the Jewish people, for thousands of years.

The US didn't claim the land for the Jewish people.

There is quite a lot of information on Jewish history if you're interested in reading (please do.) These Wiki links just scratch the surface but they're certainly a start.

Please note, the Wiki page on the topic "Jew" has been locked because it has been vandalized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=expulsion+of+jews+&go=Go
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adriennui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 04:27 PM
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16. the only ones who have changed maps
are the anti-israel rabble who wish israel didn't exist. in fact their maps (current ones) show the region without a country known as israel.

not surprising since most of these people in denial believe in fairy tales.

read some history books.....try not to appear ignorant of our world.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-01-06 04:35 PM
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17. Locking
Not based on a current article.
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