GUNS IN THE NEWS--May 21, 2004

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[MrBenchley]

1. Union County man on trial in accidental shooting (GA)

"BLAIRSVILLE - A Union County man has gone on trial on charges growing out of the accidental shooting of a teenager on the Appalachian Trail more than a year ago.
Matthew Bryant, 22, of Suches was hunting in November 2002 when he is accused of mistaking then 16-year-old Rachel Ferguson for a deer and shooting her.
The bullet entered Ferguson's armpit, hit a lung, and lodged near her heart.
Bryant is on trial in Blairsville."

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/hall/newfullstory.asp?ID=81590

[LibLabUK]

2. Hmmm..

"when he is accused of mistaking then 16-year-old Rachel Ferguson for a deer and shooting her"

Seems an odd charge.

Now I'm no lawyer, but surely it is either:

1. He shot her by accident
2. He shot her on purpose

Anyway....

My other point, I thought hunters were supposed to positively identify their prey before shooting them?

[CO Liberal]

3. It's Like The Old Joke

A guy goes hunting. Suddenly, a naked woman jumps out from behind a tree.

He: "Are you game?"

She: "Yes."

So he shot her....

:-)

[mosin]

5. Bad hunting jokes...

Actually it reminded me of this old joke:

Two friends are on a hunting trip, when one friend accidently shoots his buddy, thinking he is a deer. He runs up to him, and realizes he is not breathing. He dials 911 on his cellphone.

Operator: "911 Emergency"

Guy: "Yeah! Hi! I'm in the middle of a hunting trip, I've shot my friend by accident, and I think he might be dead!!!"

Operator: "Ok, hold on - make sure he's dead."

*Silence, then a loud BANG!*

Guy: "Ok, he's dead. Now what?"

Sick and twisted, I know. :(

[CO Liberal]

24. Incidentally.....

...that is supposed to be the funniest joke in the world, according to an Internet survey earlier this year.

[Wickerman]

98. where the hell are you guys on bad joke Tuesday

dangit?

[iverglas]

102. my modest proposal

I think it should be bad joke Friday. Friday is always a good day for degenerating.

A propos of nothing, up here, KFC has Toonie Tuesdays. Much more pleasing to the ear than the Two Dollar Tuesdays some places have down there, no?

Hmm, I wandered off to google to see whether KFC has Two Dollar Tuesdays in the US, and forgot whether I had a point. I don't think I did.

Oh yeah, inflation. They've just been changed to $2.22 Tuesdays, but they're still calling them Toonie Tuesdays. I don't think that actually qualifies as a point, but it's the only reason I knew there was such a thing as Toonie Tuesdays and you got to hear about them.


How about an oooold Russian joke?

We all know that Pravda means "truth" and Isvestia means "news".

Well, you know what they said in the USSR. There's no news in the Truth, and no truth in the News.

.

[Wickerman]

103. oh, I guess you are correct

I was only trying to bring a little sunshine into everyone's life EARLY in the week. However, I guess we just need ALL our pleasure wrapped up at the end of the week!

Bad joke Friday's they shall be. Starting next Friday, unless someone is ambitious.

And I have no idea what you are talking about afa KFC and 2$ Tuesdays. Is that like Kentucky Fried Chicken and you get 2 wings or sumthin?

[iverglas]

106. say, what language do you speak, anyway?

I'm thinking we need to get out the Universal Translator gadget.

And I have no idea what you are talking about afa KFC and 2$ Tuesdays. Is that like Kentucky Fried Chicken and you get 2 wings or sumthin?

Hey, your guess is as good as mine. About once a year, we get an urge and order the stuff in. I think Toonie Tuesdays are probably when you get something like the two-piece dinner for two bucks. Two Dollar Tuesdays probably originated with movie theatres. You know what a toonie is, right?



Nickname:
Toonie
Worth:
2 Dollars

Younger sibling to the loonie; "doubloon" was my preference for its nickname, but "toonie" won.



Nickname:
Loonie
Worth:
1 Dollar

That's a loon, you see.



As distinct from the loon who is responsible for therighter.com





Hey, don't ask me. I asked google images for "Sarah Thompson" and that's a selection of what I got.

Now, you got any more weird questions?

.

[Wickerman]

107. I am from Minnesota, of course I know a loon

a toon, new by me, and my former office across the hall-mate was one of you Canuck - we have to do everything different just to show we are different that the USAmericans gals.

BTW, HERE is William Stewart Malseed and Sarah Thompson Malseed - I guess she married.

[mosin]

104. Oooold Russian joke

We all know that Pravda means "truth" and Isvestia means "news".

Well, you know what they said in the USSR. There's no news in the Truth, and no truth in the News.

That is going back quite a ways.

[MrSandman]

108. But she may have lived...

If not for being field dressed.

[mosin]

4. Reckless shooting

My other point, I thought hunters were supposed to positively identify their prey before shooting them?

Absolutely. Rule number one is to clearly identify the target and the background before you. You never fire blindly. Never never never.

The guy was reckless, and some jail time is probably appropriate.

[MrBenchley]

7. Hell...

The rKBA crowd was advocating guns for the blind last year.

Praise Jeebus...who needs to see what they shoot at?

[mosin]

9. Right...

Who the heck is "Jeebus?" And why are you praising him?

Maybe that's the source of your confusion.

[MrBenchley]

13. No confusion here...

Like every other RKBA brainfart, I knew it was a crappy idea.

[iverglas]

32. "him"??

How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
That's not funny.

.

[mosin]

41. "or her?"

I suppose "Jeebus" could be a woman. It just sounded like a man's name to me.

[slackmaster]

25. Another day, another lie

The rKBA crowd was advocating guns for the blind last year

Bullshit. MrBenchley didn't provide a link to back up this claim because he can't; it simply did not happen.

[MrBenchley]

29. Yup, who's surprised to see slack doing it again?

A sample of "enthusiasts" in just one of several threads: "I think it is great when the game laws are modified to include hunting with handicaps. Our state does some of this, but I don't think thet go to this length....How is this better (or worse) than sighted people hunting?...In this case, the hunter is accompanied by a sighted person who, by following the marker provided by the laser, assures that the shot is taken in a safe manner....do you think blind people have also lost their ability to reason?...And being blind does not usually mean losing ALL sight...Blind people already have the same rights and responsibilities as sighted people, and that includes the right to keep and bear arms as long as they use those arms responsibly...."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=29022

Here's some more of this imbecilic topic slack denies was ever brought up by our "pro gun democrats"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=7903

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=7742

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=7088

"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"
"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"
"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=20875

[slackmaster]

31. Thank you for proving my point!!!

Nobody here has ever advocated giving guns to blind people. The discussions that DID occur concerned a guided hunt, in which a legally blind person bagged a deer while under control of a sighted instructor; and the wisdom or lack thereof of issuing concealed weapons permits to individuals who are LEGALLY BLIND and can meet a state's requirements for getting a permit - The very same requirements that a sighted person must pass.

MrBenchley's propagandistic "guns for the blind" claim is absurd. Neither the federal government nor any state has a law that prohibits a blind person from owning a gun. Some people expressed a wish that a vision test would become one requirement of a license to OWN a gun, but since nobody needs such a license that was just so much pie in the sky.

The links MrBenchley provided lead to some interesting discussions. I hope people will go back and read them to see what the pro-RKBA side has actually said about issues concerning use of firearms by legally blind people.

Guns for the blind, my ass.

:tinfoilhat:

[MrBenchley]

33. What idiotically absurd crap RKBAers will peddle

and I'm very pleased to show it...especially since they try to deny it, as you do.

"The links MrBenchley provided lead to some interesting discussions."
Only if you're so desperately trigger-happy that you want to pretend "guns for the blind" is not absurd.

[slackmaster]

35. Disregard MrBenchley's angry rhetoric and read the discussions

They are some of the more interesting and thought-provoking threads ever posted on this forum. Individuals with chronic medical problems face chronic prejudice, and the threads to which MrBenchley linked show no shortage of that. Very few normally sighted people understand the term "legally blind", often confusing it with total or profound blindness.

I was disappointed at the level of compassion shown for legally blind people by some of the so-called liberal and progressive contributors to this board. MrBenchley's insistance on using the dumbed-down and distorted term "guns for the blind" shows that prejudice lives on.

[MrBenchley]

40. And you'll still find "enthusiasts" pushing guns for the blind

and a bunch of moronic drivel from the trigger-happy amongst us....

Of course, who was that jumped in to insist there was never ever ever ever in a million years any such subject raised by our "pro gun democrats"?

"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"
"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"
"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=20875

Meanwhile, the drawbacks of some idiot shooting at what he cannot see are thuddingly fucking obvious...except to the bullets for brains bunch.

"Matthew Bryant, 22, of Suches was hunting in November 2002 when he is accused of mistaking then 16-year-old Rachel Ferguson for a deer and shooting her.
The bullet entered Ferguson's armpit, hit a lung, and lodged near her heart. "

[FatSlob]

44. Sure...

everybody believes you.

[MrBenchley]

47. So how ARE "blacks, Jews and women" "professional victims," fat slob

as that piece you said had "merits" announced?

[slackmaster]

49. Red Herring

As predictable as dawn. When MrBenchley has been caught in a lie he either tries to change the subject, or drops it without comment as he did with this one yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=58782&mesg_id=58922&page=

[MrBenchley]

53. Nope--it's the centerpiece of a "pro gun" bit of drivel fat slob posted

the other day...but which he now is curiously reluctant to defend....

And who is surprised that it is racist horseshit, by the way? Me neither.

"When MrBenchley has been caught in a lie"
Ain't happened yet, slack...but then I'm not the dishonest one amongst us, either.

"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"
"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"
"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=20875

[FatSlob]

56. Ask the author.

Remember, everybody respects you. Everybody believes you.

[MrBenchley]

59. You dredged her up, fat slob, and claimed her piece had merit

[FatSlob]

63. It does bear some looking into by trained individuals

Of which you are obviously not one. Neither am I. Everybody believes you, young man. Everybody believes you. Keep on telling yourself that and everything will be fine.

[MrBenchley]

68. Then explain how "blacks, Jews and women" are "professional victims"

since you think that's a claim worth "looking into."

"Everybody believes you."
Jeeze, fat slob...who the hell would want belief by the likes of you? Look at the mindlessly bigoted crap you believe "bears looking into by experts".

[FatSlob]

72. Reading comprehension can be helped at educate.com

You should visit. Even a monkey could figure out what I was referring to. www.educate.com You should visit, maybe your problems could be solved. Nice try, maybe you'll do better next time. Everybody believes you.

[MrBenchley]

74. Too bad for you honesty can't...

"Even a monkey could figure out what I was referring to."
So true...which is why you keep dodging the basic question.

[FatSlob]

79. I've answered before.

Don't you comprehend that? I wrote that although some people clearly are professional victims, her statements are overly broad. Once again, you are wrong, better luck next time, chappy.

[MrBenchley]

81. So tell us...what constitutes this "professional victim"?

Since, contrary to your claim, you've never said THAT before.

[FatSlob]

85. I write "that" all the time. It is an excellent word.

A professional victim is an individual who cannot take responsibility for himself and his failures. According to him, he is the victim of racism, classism, sexism, or some other "ism". Others are holding him down. BTW, you're wrong. I wrote something quite similar. So, you are technically correct, in that I didn't quote myself, so I hadn't written that exact sequence of words previously. I had however, written a bit substantially similar. Ergo, you're wrong again, chappy.

[MrBenchley]

87. So are you telling us racism doesn't exist?

[FatSlob]

109. Nope, nice try though.

To further clarify for you, I should have made it more clear that the "professional victim" falsely blames the "isms" for his failures.
I'm sure there are some who rightfully blame the "isms", although I doubt there are many.

[iverglas]

95. ahem

Ergo, you're wrong again, chappy.

Feel free to use your own personal condescending forms of address. I believe that one was mine of yesterday ... although I didn't even use it in a way that might prompt faux outrage; as I recall, it was in the third person.

There was once a criminal on the lam ... I forget whether it was in Canada or the US ... whose identifying feature was that he called everything and everybody "turkey". "Pass me that turkey, wouldya?" "I saw that turkey on the bus yesterday."

He may have been onto a good thing. Be completely indiscriminate with one's faux-outrage-generating mots. How could anyone complain about being referred to as a turkey, when the speaker has just referred to his/her spouse, dog and gun in the same way? Perhaps I'll take it up.

.

[MrBenchley]

96. He hasn't got the chops for "chappy"....

[iverglas]

93. snork

It does bear some looking into by trained individuals

What bears looking into by trained individuals is the author of the screed.

An obvious total loon is wandering around being, at the least, complicit in the misrepresentation of herself on the internet as a "psychiatrist". Maybe one of these days I'll get around to narking on her myself. She evidently needs either treatment or a reprimand, or both.


Everybody believes you, young man.

"Young man"??? Wazzat, some kinda code for boy??

I expect to see some faux outrage immediately.

.

[MrBenchley]

94. Evidently

I am supposed to be crushed and shamed because the "enthusiast" who thought this dreary bigoted crap had "merits" is ironically proclaiming he doesn't believe what I say.

One wonders what sort of training exactly is needed to know a bigoted piece of shit when a person sees one in action.

[FatSlob]

110. I proclaim that everybody believes you.

You are a light of truth, the beacon of enlightenment, and you sit at the zenith of rationality.

[MrBenchley]

111. Proclaim away, fat slob....

[mosin]

99. "faux outrage"

"Young man"??? Wazzat, some kinda code for boy??

I expect to see some faux outrage immediately.

iverglas, This forum would be much less fun without your charming repartee. :toast:

Sorry, I can't muster any faux outrage.

[iverglas]

100. my dear ... turkey

Sorry, I can't muster any faux outrage.

The faux outrage I expect is from quite another quarter, I assure you.

But feel free to put some muster on that turkey.

.

[mosin]

101. Mmm. Bratwurst with muster and sauer kraut...

I prefer my turkey plain.

I do like muster on bratwurst. Maybe with some nice sauer kraut. Cincinnati has good bratwurst.

[CO Liberal]

37. You're Wrong, Slack

There were several threads on this board advocating gun use by the vision impaired.

Just because there's no link doesn't mean something didn't happen. For example, I don't need an Internet link to know that the sun came up this morning...

[slackmaster]

39. I know the difference between use and ownership

And the difference between a gun and a license.

Calling those threads "guns for the blind" is dishonest and deceptive.

[CO Liberal]

52. Those Threads Talked About Vision-Impaired People USING GUNS

Absolutely nothing deceptive or dishonest about that. Just something incredibly stupid, IMHO.

[MrBenchley]

57. Slack is trying to make some distinction between

"guns for the blind" and "guns for the blind."

[MrBenchley]

42. And so I gave slack the links...

and now, of course, he's trying again to JUSTIFY the idiocy of guns for the blind...just as if he never claimed there was no such topic ever raised...

"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"
"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"
"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=20875

[slackmaster]

48. None of those discussions pertained to guns for the blind

The blind already have guns. The discussions concerned concealed carry licenses for the blind, and guided hunting experiences for the blind.

[CO Liberal]

54. Slack....

BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, those threads talked about blind and visually-impaired persons using guns.

[slackmaster]

58. That's right, using guns

Not having or owning them.

[CO Liberal]

64. It Doesn't Really Matter WHO Owns The Gun, Slack

Letting a blind or vision-impaired person fire one is just plain STUPID.

[slackmaster]

66. In most situations I would almost agree with that statement

I am "vision-impared" but nowhere near legally blind.

Thank YOU for being so reasonable and rational, CO.

[MrBenchley]

55. Too TOO funny...

Bet you double up losing at blackjack, too....

"slackmaster
38. It's the Big Lie strategy"
"slackmaster
58. Nice try but it's still based on a major LIE"
"slackmaster
65. If I may be so bold as to speak for the entire "RKBA crowd"
We aren't saying they are lying."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20875&mesg_id=20875

[slackmaster]

60. Gee, Bench, I can play "Let's make a list" too

Here is a sampling of some of your MrBenchley's hoots, knee-slappers, and boners for the newbies:

MrBenchley claims smokeless powders used in Europe contain taggants. They don't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=44507&mesg_id=44563&page=

Rather than acknowledge that the Pink Pistols is a genuine pro-gun group of gay people, he'd rather believe that the Roman Catholic Church supports gay rights:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20608&mesg_id=20675&page=

He claims proposed Iraqi constitution says "All gun owners must be registered and all guns licensed." It doesn't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=49018&mesg_id=49135&page=

MrBenchley claimed that kits to convert semi-automatic firearms into fully automatic machineguns are legal (thanks to efforts by the gun lobby), and that anyone can buy one at a gun show.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x50058#53363

Of course, that isn't true at all. See http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter37.txt

MrBenchley admits he hasn't even read a magazine that he's criticized repeatedly, and even posts images of its cover.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=55135&mesg_id=55138

And my all-time favorite, MrBenchley posted two links that were supposed to identify five "assault weapons",

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=55681&mesg_id=55811&page=

But he was wrong on 4 out of 5. Three of them are machineguns and the fourth is a post-ban semiautomatic AK variant which is perfectly legal under the AW ban.

MrBenchley claimed he typed an 88-word quote from a newspaper published 10 weeks earlier from memory with 100% accuracy, when he actually took the quote from a pro-RKBA source and didn't want anyone to read the rest of the article - http://www.2ndamendment.com/Miscellaneous/News/20040227-05.htm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=56802&mesg_id=56915

And MrBenchley hinks 2003 - 12 = 1994.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=57473&mesg_id=57575

[MrBenchley]

65. And that's why I'm actually QUOTING and you're pouting

....and paraphrasing. But thanks for the big laugh, slack.

[slackmaster]

71. You want quotes, you've got quotes

MrBenchley claims smokeless powders used in Europe contain taggants. They don't.

"...about the assertion that taggants (such as are used in Europe) would make guns explode?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=44507&mesg_id=44563&page=

Rather than acknowledge that the Pink Pistols is a genuine pro-gun group of gay people, he'd rather believe that the Roman Catholic Church supports gay rights:

"A pastoral letter released today by the U.S. Catholic Conference encouraging families to accept their gay loved ones and reaffirming the basic human rights of gay people was welcomed by the Human Rights Campaign as an important step forward on the road to ending discrimination based on sexual orientation."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20608&mesg_id=20675&page=

He claims proposed Iraqi constitution says "All gun owners must be registered and all guns licensed." It doesn't.

Under Iraq's proposed Constitution... ...All gun owners must be registered and all guns licensed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=49018&mesg_id=49135&page=

MrBenchley claimed that kits to convert semi-automatic firearms into fully automatic machineguns are legal (thanks to efforts by the gun lobby), and that anyone can buy one at a gun show.

Are you trying to tell us conversion kits are illegal? It happens that the gunbb lobby fought tooth and nail to make them legal.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x50058#53363

Of course, that isn't true at all. See http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter37.txt

MrBenchley admits he hasn't even read a magazine that he's criticized repeatedly, and even posts images of its cover.

And who really fucking NEEDS to be told that a gun magazine for kids (with ads marketing guns to kids) is a crappy, irresponsible idea?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=55135&mesg_id=55138

And my all-time favorite, MrBenchley posted two links that were supposed to identify five "assault weapons",

"Uzis and AK-47's are not semi-automatic."
From gun merchant SecurityArms.com...

"Maadi AK-47 (Egyption)
Its caliber is 7.62x39mm, and it is semi automatic. "

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1600/1635.htm

From gun merchant "Magnificent World"

"UZI SPECIFICATION
Models
UZI SMG
Mini UZI SMG
Micro UZI SMG
UZI Pistol
Ammunition
9mm Parabellum
Operation
Blowback firing from open bolt position (OBP)
Blowback firing from closed bolt position (CBP or OBP)
Blowback firing from CBP
Mode of firing
Semi-automatic, Automatic
Semi-automatic "

http://www.info.com.ph/~mwgs/specs_3.htm

I'll take my playmates ovber the scum the gun nuts associate with any day....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=55681&mesg_id=55811&page=

But he was wrong on 4 out of 5. Three of them are machineguns and the fourth is a post-ban semiautomatic AK variant which is perfectly legal under the AW ban.

MrBenchley claimed he typed an 88-word quote from a newspaper published 10 weeks earlier from memory with 100% accuracy, when he actually took the quote from a pro-RKBA source and didn't want anyone to read the rest of the article - http://www.2ndamendment.com/Miscellaneous/News/20040227-05.htm

Actually I didn't feel like paying the Kansas City Star for an archived article, especially since I remembered it 100% correctly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=56802&mesg_id=56915

And MrBenchley hinks 2003 - 12 = 1994.

12 years (ending in 2003) would coincide with the passage of the Brady law... (ending in 2003 added by slackmaster for clarity - see the thread if you don't believe me)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=57473&mesg_id=57575

[iverglas]

91. just a coupla things

Most of it bores me ... but

Rather than acknowledge that the Pink Pistols is a genuine pro-gun group of gay people, ...

It isn't.

One down.

... he'd rather believe that the Roman Catholic Church supports gay rights:

A pastoral letter released today by the U.S. Catholic Conference encouraging families to accept their gay loved ones and reaffirming the basic human rights of gay people was welcomed by the Human Rights Campaign as an important step forward on the road to ending discrimination based on sexual orientation.

So ... what I'd actually like to see is the actual statement -- by Benchley, that is, not you -- that Benchley "believe<s> that the Roman Catholic Church supports gay rights". Not your interpretation of what Benchley posted/said. I don't recall him saying quite that. Can you provide it?

You do know what the Human Rights Campaign is, right? (Me, I find it a little presumptuous for any organization that focuses on the rights of any one group, however admirable and necessary that may be, to call itself the "Human Rights Campaign", but there you are.) As far as I can tell, you've quoted a description of what the RC church did and how a GLBT rights organization responded to it, which I presume Benchley quoted. Where's what Benchley said?

Hey, maybe you can tell us what the Human Rights Campaign says about the Pink Pistols!


Oh hell ... interestingly, here's what you had to say in the thread you linked to:

MrBenchley, you are the originator of the idea that the page is meant to be an "enemies list". The Pink Pistols themselves call it "LIST of ANTI-GUN, GROUPS, ORG’s, COMPANIES, PRODUCTS & PEOPLE". Your editorializing misconstrues the purpose of the list.

Too bad we still don't know what the purpose of the list is. Beats me, I must say.

But my question would be -- why the hell would a bunch of gay and lesbian people make a big honking deal out of being a bunch of gay and lesbian people, and then put pro-firearms control gay and lesbian people on their diss list, but not put anti-firearms control vicious homophobes on it?? As Benchley said at the time:

The stridently anti-gay Family Research Council mysteriously seem to be OKAY with the Pink Pistols... so does the stridently anti-gay American Family Association… ...as does the stridently anti-gay Free Congress Foundation. So is Dobson's stridently anti-gay Focus on the Family group....not a murmur of complaint from the Pink Pistols for any of those groups.

Benchley asked:

How come nnot a single anti-gay individual or organization is on that list?

You replied:

Are you saying the US Catholic Conference is pro-Gay?
And have you actually gone through the list in detail to verify that every one of those individuals is not anti-Gay?

I assume the the US CC is on the list for being pro-firearms control.

YOU interpreted Benchley's words in a particular way. Me, I interpreted them as asking how come not a single anti-gay individual or organization is on that list for being viciously homophobic?

Why does a loudly self-proclaimed group of gay and lesbian people not have a diss list of viciously homophobic individuals and organizations? They gotta have *some* reason for proclaiming themselves to be gay and lesbian and gottin' guns to ward off bad guys who are after them because they are gay and lesbian.

Gosh, could it be that they aren't interested in doing anything about those root causes of violence against GLBT people?? That they'll contribute to the hatred of GBLT people that they are allegedly the victims of, if it furthers their (real) agenda?

I wonder.

.

[MrBenchley]

92. You might recall

that our "pro gun gay group" at one time included a link to the right wing loony "think tank" that whistled them up out of whole cloth and then chortled aloud what a "good trick" they were on "liberals."

Of course, as far as I can discover, it's only "pro gun democrats" who are "fooled" in the slightest.

"Why does a loudly self-proclaimed group of gay and lesbian people not have a diss list of viciously homophobic individuals and organizations?"
I'd say it's more or less the same reason slack has to paraphrase and distort what I say, while I can quote him directly, to hilarious effect.....

slackmaster 
43. Funny, isn't it? How "Because I feel like it" is a good enough reason for displaying childish behavior on a discussion forum, but not for buying an "assault weapon".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=58374&mesg_id=58374

[mosin]

6. "Neighbors Help Woman, 84, Caught With Pistol In Purse"

Neighbors Help Woman, 84, Caught With Pistol In Purse



Original story:
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/051904_local_elderlygun.html

[iverglas]

26. hmmmm

From the article:

Ms. Sherman says she completely forgot about her gun, which she's owned for nearly 30 years.

"Man, these people around here hate me because I don't push no dope," she said. "I wanted to make sure when I got home and out of the cab, that I would have some protection."

Forgetting you were toting something that you expressly decided to tote ...

I'm afraid that just doesn't instil confidence in me.

Perhaps regular testing would be in order, as is done for drivers' licences, for people who want licences to tote these things? I assume the licences have to be renewed regularly, so perhaps this is already the case. I forget; are conditions placed on concealed weapons carrying licences like on driver's licences -- e.g. that I couldn't tote a firearm around unless I were wearing my corrective lenses? The idea of me "aiming" and firing a firearm if I weren't wearing my trifocals is even scarier than the idea of me toting one around in the first place.

Yes, of course, this woman didn't have a licence; I'm just considering various potential ramifications of various potential fact situations.

And I'm afraid that an aggrieved ratepayer toting a firearm into a government office really is something that kind of has to be taken kind of seriously. Detain first, investigate later. I doubt that the book is going to be thrown at this woman.

.

[MrBenchley]

45. One wonders how much protection

something you forget you've got at all is going to provide?

No argument TOO absurd for our "enthusiasts," I suppose. Good thing the gun could never accidentally go off if she dropped her purse or banged it into a doorframe/lamppost/bannister/etc....oh, wait a minute!

[mosin]

51. Regular testing

Perhaps regular testing would be in order, as is done for drivers' licences, for people who want licences to tote these things? I assume the licences have to be renewed regularly, so perhaps this is already the case. I forget; are conditions placed on concealed weapons carrying licences like on driver's licences -- e.g. that I couldn't tote a firearm around unless I were wearing my corrective lenses? The idea of me "aiming" and firing a firearm if I weren't wearing my trifocals is even scarier than the idea of me toting one around in the first place.

I can be reasonable. :) I agree this is a legitimate concern.

Ohio's new law requires 12 hours of training, a written test, and a shooting test. The specifics are up to the instructors. Personally, I require a student to fire a specific number of rounds within a time limit at a sillhouette target at 5, 7, and 10 yards. They have to generally demonstrate their competence as well as shoot a certain score.

There is no specific vision test, but you'd have to be able to see well enough to hit a target at 5-10 yards. (If a criminal is further than 10 yards away, the average person generally shouldn't be shooting at them.)

Licenses have to be renewed every 4 years. The training must be no more than 6 years old at time of renewal. This translates to retaking the training for every other renewal, every 8 years.

[MrBenchley]

8. Shooting victim in fair condition (OH)

"MANSFIELD -- The police department's Major Crimes Unit is investigating the shooting of a 31-year-old city man who was found in an alley between Blymer and Sturges avenues.
Ronald Smith suffered a gunshot to the groin after two men allegedly approached him and asked for cigarettes and money.
Smith told police one of the men pulled out a gun and shot him after he told them he had nothing to spare.
Detective Gordon Wendling said investigators talked to Smith on Thursday afternoon.
Smith is in fair condition at MedCentral/Mansfield hospital. "

http://www.mansfieldnewsjournal.com/news/stories/20040521/localnews/470968.html

[mosin]

11. If only...

Mr. Smith had had a firearm to defend himself, he might have avoided the "gunshot to the groin."

And you wonder why I carry a gun every day. :think:

[MrBenchley]

14. Gee, wasn't the whole dishonest idea of the CCW law

that such things would never happen because terrified criminals might have to fear that people might be carrying a popgun?

Yeah, it was.

[mosin]

17. "would never happen"

Now who's being dishonest?

Who ever said that bad things "would never happen"?

No one ever said such a thing.

[MrBenchley]

21. So tell us...

how did these stick-up guys know our victim wasn't a proud CCW gun nut? (he wasn't ranting to himself in public?)

[LibLabUK]

19. If only....

"Ronald Smith suffered a gunshot to the groin after two men allegedly approached him and asked for cigarettes and money.
.....one of the men pulled out a gun and shot him after he told them he had nothing to spare."

At what point would his having a gun stopped him from being shot?

Do people who carry guns suddenly become Roy Rogers style quick draw artists capable of clearing the holster and holing the baddie in the blink of an eye?

Or would it just mean yet another gun in the hands of a criminal, when the two assailants took it from his cold dead hands?

Maybe the chap could have avoided being shot by simply avoiding walking down alleyways at night.

"And you wonder why I carry a gun every day."

In case someone asks you for fags and cash?

[MrBenchley]

20. Evidently

he hopes to donate his handgun to the cause of crime if he gets robbed...

"Do people who carry guns suddenly become Roy Rogers style quick draw artists capable of clearing the holster and holing the baddie in the blink of an eye?"
No, the trigger-happy amongst us plan to shoot the guns out of the bad guys' hands, like the Lone Ranger used to do....and the words "innocent bystander" will never be heard...or considered.

[iverglas]

28. uh oh, now you're in trouble

In case someone asks you for fags and cash?

I'm sure that the faux outrage of the USAMerocentric Keystone Language Kops will descend on you at any moment.

.

[mosin]

38. "faux outrage"

I may be from Texas originally, but I'm quite aware that those wacky Brits smoke fags and drive lorries with bonnets on the "wrong" side of the road. ;)

[mosin]

36. "Roy Rogers"

Do people who carry guns suddenly become Roy Rogers style quick draw artists capable of clearing the holster and holing the baddie in the blink of an eye?

No, it takes me, on average, 1.2 seconds to draw and fire on target from a concealed inside-the-waistband holster -- timed from a relaxed standing position with an audible signal. It takes me right at 2.0 seconds to draw and fire on target from an ankle holster in a standing position. I'm a slightly above-average, but not extraordinarily quick competitive defensive handgun shooter.

Who knows if Mr. Smith could have prevented his injury? I suspect he doesn't compete regularly. But then neither do most crooks.

Avoiding dark alleys at night is sound advice. ;) We don't know if he started out in the alley, however.

[MrBenchley]

10. Two People Shot At South Florida Business

"The shots rang out at the Atrium Wall Coverings and Fabrics store near I-95 and Miami Gardens Drive. Air rescue was called to the scene and the victims were taken to Jackson Memorial Hospital. Their conditions are not known. Investigators also say a woman inside the business was pistol whipped.
Police have surrounded the Pinnacle Apartments at Northwest 184th Street and 37th Avenue where they believe two suspects may be hiding. Sky 10 was over the scene where dozens of officers and a SWAT team had taken up positions.
Two schools near the apartment complex, Carol City Middle and High schools, have been locked down as a precaution. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040521/lo_wplg/2215559

[mosin]

12. If only...

an employee or customer had been carrying a gun, three people might not have been victimized.

This is what the anti-gun movement prefers: innocent victims.

[MrBenchley]

15. If only Florida took ANY steps to try to keep guns

out of criminal hands...

But hey, anything to advance the rancid gun rights agenda...no matter how absurd, dishonest or ugly....

[mosin]

18. If only...

New Jersey respected the rights of its citizens to defend themselves against criminals. New Jersey is the only state in which I have ever had a criminal point a gun at me -- from a bicycle, no less.

Sorry, I'll take Florida any day over Jersey.

[MrBenchley]

22. You're welcome to it....

Jebbo's banana republic is one of the centers for dreadful corrupt government, institutionalized racism and shit-stupid ideas.

[DonP]

27. New Jersey has CCW

It's never mentioned in polite company around here, but New Jersey is indeed one of the 40 plus states that have a CCW program for their citizens. In fact they have had one for some time now.

I believe it's a "May Issue" rather than a "Shall Issue" state, but I could be wrong on that.

Just another example of a state where CCW has been crammed down the throat of the population by the corrupt GOP/Gun Industry that run the state.

As you probably already know no one in New Jersey really wants CCW, but somehow they can't seem to get around to repealing it, in spite of the clear majority opposing it.

I haven't seen any recent signs of it being repealed either, in spite of the herculean efforts of the highly motivated and vocal CCW opposition.

[MrBenchley]

30. Gee, and yet...

the Republican imbeciles here keep pushing for CCW and keep getting their asses kicked...

Not to mention all the "pro gun democrats" who keep assuring the board that a state with a Democratic Governor, Democratic Senators, a House delegation with more Democrats than Republicans, and Democratic control of the legislature is sheer hell on earth because a handful of nutcases can't poop in the parkget pistol pernits...

[mosin]

34. New Jersey CCW! Ha!

New Jersey has CCW for the rich and connected, much like New York City. That's the only reason they keep it around. An average joe has zero, none, zilch, no chance of getting a carry license.

It's theoretically "may" issue. It's really "No chance in Hell" issue.

Concealed Carry Scoreboard:
2 No-license-required states (VT, AK)
35 Shall-issue licensing states
9 "May"-issues states (IA, CA, NJ, MD, MA, DE, RI, NY, HI)
4 No-carry states (IL, WI, KS, NE)

[MrBenchley]

43. Now now...You guys shoot it out among yourselves...

blessedly far from NJ (snicker)

[FatSlob]

46. ATTENTION CRIMINALS!

NEW JERSEY is a (virtually) GUN FREE ZONE!
Law-abiding citizens have been disarmed for YOUR PLEASURE!
Enjoy, and thank you for visiting.
The State of New Jersey

[MrBenchley]

61. Gee, fat slob...are you saying Don P is lying?

[FatSlob]

67. Nope, note the word (virtually)

Better now? Reading comprehension can be worked on by the good folks at www.educate.com They have an excellent program that worked well for the kid I mentor.

[MrBenchley]

69. So in other words...it was just more mindless drivel

from the bullets for brains bunch.

[FatSlob]

70. The word you are looking for is rhetoric.

I've never seen anybody with bullet for a brain. However, I see a certain individual here is obsessed with banning them. Nice try, young man. Maybe you'll do better next time.

[MrBenchley]

75. No, it was drivel, just as I said....

[FatSlob]

80. You sure love the edit feature, don't you.

I'm glad you were able to go back and change your post. I'm happy I was able to help you realize your error. Good day!

[MrBenchley]

82. Yeah, fat slob....

"I'm glad you were able to go back and change your post."
And I'm laughing out loud at your glee.

[FatSlob]

86. Have fun.

We are all waiting for your next lucid posting.

[Romulus]

50. actually

NJ's CCW process gives the average joe about as much chance of getting a CCW as wining the Powerball

from NJ 2C:58-4. Permits to carry handguns

Investigation and approval. Each application shall in the first instance be submitted to the chief police officer of the municipality in which the applicant resides, or to the superintendent, (1) if the applicant is an employee of an armored car company, or (2) if there is no chief police officer in the municipality where the applicant resides, or (3) if the applicant does not reside in this State. The chief police officer, or the superintendent, as the case may be, shall cause the fingerprints of the applicant to be taken and compared with any and all records maintained by the municipality, the county in which it is located, the State Bureau of Identification and the Federal Bureau of Identification. He shall also determine and record a complete description of each handgun the applicant intends to carry.

No application shall be approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent unless the applicant demonstrates that he is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in 2C:58-3c., that he is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns, and that he has a justifiable need to carry a handgun. If the application is not approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent within 60 days of filing, it shall be deemed to have been approved, unless the applicant agrees to an extension of time in writing.

d. Issuance by Superior Court; fee. If the application has been approved by the chief police officer or the superintendent, as the case may be, the applicant shall forthwith present it to the Superior Court of the county in which the applicant resides, or to the Superior Court in any county where he intends to carry a handgun, in the case of a nonresident or employee of an armored car company. The court shall issue the permit to the applicant if, but only if, it is satisfied that the applicant is a person of good character who is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in section 2C:58-3c., that he is thoroughly familiar with the safe handling and use of handguns, and that he has a justifiable need to carry a handgun. The court may at its discretion issue a limited-type permit which would restrict the applicant as to the types of handguns he may carry and where and for what purposes such handguns may be carried. At the time of issuance, the applicant shall pay to the county clerk of the county where the permit was issued a permit fee of $20.00.


So, you first have to convince the local chief LEO of your "need," then you have to convince the local judge of your "need." :eyes:

I wonder how many of their golfing buddies or campaign contributors seem to have been able to show such "need."

That is, of course, unless you are part of the nobility:
http://www.njsp.org/about/fire_ret.html

On April 8, 1997, Governor Christine Todd Whitman signed into law a bill enabling eligible retired New Jersey and federal law enforcement officers the right to carry handguns within the State of New Jersey.

[MrBenchley]

62. In other words...

We don't let dimwits and neurotics skulk around the streets with popguns because they have adventure fantasies.

[mosin]

77. In other words...

New Jersey is controlled by corrupt politicians, corrupt judges, and corrupt criminals who can't bear the thought of the average joe fighting back.

[MrBenchley]

83. That's what the GOP says...but they're corrupt shitheels...

and the voters can see through them.

[MrBenchley]

16. Man Dead After Shooting, Crash Into Creek (IN)

"A 19-year-old Indianapolis man was pronounced dead after being found with gunshot wounds in a car that crashed into a creek on the city's southeast side Thursday afternoon, police said.
Police said the crash happened near the intersection of State and Southern avenues around 2:30 p.m. The man, whose name wasn't immediately released, was found inside the car with two gunshot wounds at the top of his left thigh, RTV6's Jennifer Carmack reported.
"The injury resulting from the gunshot ... is what caused him to crash," Indianapolis police Sgt. Stephen Staletovich said.
Police didn't say what caused the death, and they didn't immediately know who shot him. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040520/lo_wrtv/2214940

[MrBenchley]

23. Foot chase through yards yields arrest (KS)

"After an hourlong chase on foot, Lawrence Police arrested the second of two men in an incident Thursday afternoon that started when a concerned resident told police the men had tucked a semi-automatic handgun into a backpack.
About 3 p.m., the witness saw a man in a group at an apartment complex in the 500 block of Frontier Road pull a gun out of his waistband and stuff it into the pack, said Lawrence Police Sgt. Craig Shanks. The witness recorded the license plate number of a 1980s-model, gray Buick that left the complex and headed east on Sixth Street.
Soon after, officers found the car at Virginia Inn, 2903 W. Sixth St. The driver and passengers were not there, so officers waited about 45 minutes for them to return, Shanks said.
When the two men returned, the driver, a Topeka man, was arrested on a Topeka warrant. The passenger fled on foot.
About 10 officers swarmed to arrest the fugitive. He led several officers on foot in a loop from the motel toward Lawrence Avenue, onto Bainbridge Circle, west on Seventh Street, east toward the motel and back west on Eighth Street, Shanks said."

http://www.ljworld.com/section/citynews/story/170832

[MrBenchley]

73. City Wins Right to U.S. Data on Firearms (NY)

"New York City won a significant victory this week in its civil suit against the firearms industry, winning the right to information that could help prove its claim that the industry closes its eyes to the way guns get into the hands of criminals.
On Wednesday, a federal magistrate ruled that the city was entitled to federal data that traces the path of guns used in crimes, overruling objections by the Justice Department. Lawyers say that without the data the city would have difficulty proving its claim that the gun industry's marketing and distribution practices amount to a public nuisance.
The ruling by Magistrate Judge Cheryl L. Pollak, in Federal Court in Brooklyn, waded into a contentious legal and political issue over the Bush administration's reluctance to release the tracing data, which is likely to be helpful to civil suits against the industry around the country. Access to the data has provoked battles in Congress and in the United States Supreme Court, with the gun industry and its opponents squaring off over whether it should be released.
In 2003 and again this year, the Republican-controlled Congress enacted appropriations measures saying that no funds could be used to release the tracing data. Some supporters said the information could undermine police investigations, while industry opponents said groups like the National Rifle Association had slipped the measure in, to hobble the civil suits against the gun industry.
A Justice Department lawyer suggested during arguments in the city's case that the department, under Attorney General John Ashcroft, had changed a government policy that permitted the limited release of the information in an earlier lawsuit. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/21/nyregion/21gun.html

[mosin]

76. "federal magistrate"

Somehow I suspect a federal magistrate won't have the last say on this issue.

[MrBenchley]

78. Kerry Faces Opposition From NRA Members

Guess that "we're not sure we're endorsing pResident Turd" was just so much horseshit...who is surprised? Me neither.

"WASHINGTON - John Kerry owns a shotgun and a rifle, has taken time from the campaign trail to go hunting and relied on firearms during the Vietnam War. But the Democratic presidential candidate's fondness for his guns will not save him from a political assault by the National Rifle Association.
The NRA says it doesn't matter how many guns the Massachusetts senator owns or how often he hunts because he nearly always votes against gun rights in the Senate. Kerry supports extending the ban on assault-type weapons and requiring background checks at gun shows. He opposes granting gun makers immunity from civil lawsuits.
"His anti-firearms record is among the very worst in American politics," said NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre. "It's not a stretch to say that the worst thing that could happen to the Second Amendment is for John Kerry to be elected president."
Kerry called that claim "the phoniest argument I've ever heard in my life." "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040521/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_guns_2

Jeeze, he should hang around here and listen to our "pro gun democrats" for a while...

Incidentally...the smart money is swinging in the race....

"Bush raised $15 million last month…Kerry raised $31 million."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040521/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_money&cid=694&ncid=2043

By the way...authoress and right wing shill Nedra Pickler has gained quite a following for her possible journalism-related program activities....

http://whatapickler.typepad.com/

[MrBenchley]

84. Toddler hurt as gun goes off in bedroom (NC)

"KINGS MOUNTAIN - Bullet fragments hit a 22-month-old Kings Mountain girl in the stomach Thursday when the rifle her father was loading accidentally fired one round, according to Kings Mountain police.
Megan's mother, Candice Spires, recounted the chain of events during an interview from her porch on Thursday:
Around 1 p.m., Johnathan "Eric" Spires, the toddler's father, talked to his wife about a crossword puzzle she was doing while he changed the clips in his .308-caliber rifle. Three of the Spires' five little girls were in the bedroom with them."

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/news/local/8719501.htm

[MrBenchley]

88. Resident with rifle prompts evacuation (NV)

"More than 100 people were evacuated from their southwest Las Vegas apartments Thursday afternoon after a man, who refused to take his prescribed antidepressants, allegedly waved a rifle while standing on his second-story apartment balcony.
Metro Police were first called to the Grand View Apartments, at 4255 W. Viking Road near Wynn and Flamingo Roads, at 7:30 a.m. after a man reported that his roommate, 56-year-old Mixail Doytchov, refused to take his medication and was "exhibiting odd behavior," said Office Jose Montoya, a Metro spokesman.
Doytchov told Metro that he did not want to take his medication but was not planning to harm himself or anyone else, Montoya said. Metro officers left the apartment but took note of the address, he said.
Officers were near the same apartment complex about 2:10 p.m. on an unrelated call when the apartment's maintenance man told them a man was standing on his balcony with a rifle."

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2004/may/21/516894275.html

[MrBenchley]

89. St. Louis TV station cameraman wounded in drive-by shooting

"WELLSTON, Mo. (AP) -- A cameraman for a St. Louis television station continued recovering Friday from a bullet wound suffered the previous day in an apparent drive-by shooting.
Larry Washington, a 35-year veteran of KTVI, a Fox affiliate, was shot once through the left shoulder. He remained hospitalized Friday but was expected to be released later in the day.
Police in this St. Louis suburb said it was unclear who was the intended target of the gunfire, which occurred as Washington and KTVI reporter Elliott Davis were working on their "You Paid for It" consumer-affairs segment.
At least four shots hit a house near where Washington stood; nobody there was injured.
It was unclear whether the shooting was related to the story Davis and Washington were working on. "

http://www.semissourian.com/story.html$rec=138073

[MrBenchley]

90. Man held for gun possession, assault (TX)

"A College Station man remained in jail Thursday after police said he threatened the mother of his child with a gun and punched and kicked her.
Tyrone Shepard, 27, was being held in the Brazos County Jail on $32,000 bond following his Wednesday arrest. He is charged with assault, aggravated assault and unlawful possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.
Police were called to Shepard’s apartment on Luther Street after the woman reported that he had assaulted her. When officers arrived, the woman told them she and Shepard were fighting over money the night before and he pulled out a gun and threatened to kill her and their baby, according to court records."

http://www.theeagle.com/region/localregional/052104assault.php

[MrBenchley]

97. Man Shot At 14 Times Nearly Crashes Into Home (TX)

"A man shot while driving his car nearly drove into a northeast Harris County home early Friday morning, officials told News2Houston.
Investigators said someone was chasing the 33-year-old driver of the Lincoln Town Car around 12:30 a.m. and shot at him 14 times.
One of those rounds hit the driver in the head, causing him to crash into a fence, almost hitting a home in the 14600 block of Twisted Cedar and Black Walnut, an official said.
Although injured and bleeding, the victim managed to walk to a nearby home for help. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040521/lo_kprc/2216284

[MrBenchley]

105. Man who ran through school pleads guilty to weapons charge (ND)

"FARGO (AP) -- A man who was found with a loaded pistol after running through a West Fargo middle school has pleaded guilty to a weapons charge.
John Morningstar, 24, admitted in federal court Thursday to being a felon in possession of a firearm. The crime carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
Morningstar was arrested in March after leading police on a brief foot chase. Police said he was carrying a loaded semiautomatic pistol and at least two additional clips of ammunition. "

http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2004/05/21/news/state/sta04.txt