GUNS IN THE NEWS--May 14, 2004

[MrBenchley]

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[MrBenchley]

1. Handgun discovery leads to 2 arrests (FL)

Hey, perhaps he was just an innocent antiques collector...in a pig's eye.

"PORT ORANGE -- Officers checking out a suspicious vehicle in a mobile home park Thursday morning found a semi-automatic handgun that can be used a machine gun, police said.
The vehicle was found in the 400 block of Poinciana Drive at the Parkwood Mobile Home Park, police Cmdr. William Schulz said.
Police arrested Donnel L. King, 19, of Daytona Beach, who was wanted for possession of a controlled substance, Schulz said. King was found with less than 20 grams of marijuana, he said.
The semi-automatic handgun -- a Tec-9 -- belonged to James Rockett, 19, of Portsmouth, Va., Schulz said."

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Local/03AreaEAST08051404.htm

[RoeBear]

3. I wonder what the missing word is...

"Officers checking out a suspicious vehicle in a mobile home park Thursday morning found a semi-automatic handgun that can be used a machine gun, police said."


a semi-automatic handgun that can be used <with> a machine gun, police said.

a semi-automatic handgun that can be used <by> a machine gun, police said.

a semi-automatic handgun that can be used <along side> a machine gun, police said.

Edited to add:

What?

"Rockett was charged with possession of cocaine, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, providing a false name and resisting arrest without violence. He was in the Branch Jail under $6,250 bail."

He's 19 and a felon and loose? When did he commit his previous crimes and why is he on the loose?

[OpSomBlood]

5. a semi-automatic handgun that can be used <instead of> a machine gun

n/t

[slackmaster]

7. Bad writer, bad!

No Pulitzer Prize.

:dunce:

[MrSandman]

9. perhaps intentionally misleading...

Didn't a NY Times reporter get a Pulitzer for some such?
Didn't Belleisles get an academic award for fraud, er, research?

[MrBenchley]

8. How about "as"?

Or do you suppose that will set of another spasm of horsseshit from the bullets for brains crowd....

[MrSandman]

11. Maybe Cmdr. Shulz could explain how...n/t

[MrBenchley]

15. Or maybe he could just buy this book off the internet...

or at a gun show, if he could find it among the Nazi memorabilia and hate literature...

[slackmaster]

18. Not that there's anything wrong with that information being available

In the words of Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas,

"Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us."

http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/foryoungpeople/theoneunamerican/oneunamerican.htm

[iverglas]

35. strew them herring

Not that there's anything wrong with that information being available

Was that platitudinous post actually à propos of something?

I thought the issue was the correctness of this characterization:

a semi-automatic handgun that can be used a machine gun.

Help me out. Is it accurate to say that if it had undergone the modification that the book presumably provides instruction for, it would be

a semi-automatic handgun that can be used a machine gun

?

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[MrBenchley]

Seems like Commander Shulz was being honest

other people not so much so...

But then I doubt Commander Shulz has made a habit of lying....or of making excuses for armed lunatics in Nazi uniforms...

[OpSomBlood]

38. No. It can not be "used as a machine gun".

Because it isn't one. You can modify it to function as a machine gun, but in the state it was confiscated, no such modification had taken place.

A length of pipe can be modified to be used as a rocket launcher. But until the modifications take place, it's a length of pipe.

[iverglas]

40. well now that's quite possibly true

You can modify it to function as a machine gun, but in the state it was confiscated, no such modification had taken place.

I just have no idea how you might know this.

Is nobody going to stand up for the rights of honest victims of the drug war to arm themselves with semi-automatic handguns just like everybody else??

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[OpSomBlood]

41. Drug dealers aren't arming themselves legally.

Show me a law that attacks the black market instead of law-abiding dealers, and I'll support it.

[iverglas]

42. what's your secret source of info??

Drug dealers aren't arming themselves legally.

Or are you just uttering stray thoughts aloud?

The two individuals in question were arrested with, respectively, 20 grams of marijuana (Cdn though I am, I still think of pot in terms of ounces, although keys did come into it fairly often, come to think of it ... anyhow, that's 0.7 ounce, yikes) and a "small bag" of crack. They were charged with possession.

So did you have a deep throat telling you they were actually dealers, even though they were each only charged with simple possession?

Where's all that INNOCENT UNTIL PROVED GUILTY stuff *now*, might I ask?


Show me a law that attacks the black market instead of law-abiding dealers, and I'll support it.

Now you're just confusing me. Law-abiding drug dealers??

Don't see what it's got to do with my question, anyhow.

The people in question were obviously exercising their rights, the ones that drug laws deny them the exercise of. Were it not for those drug laws (let us assume, reasonably, that, like many young people, their only criminal record was for drug possession), they wouldn't be disqualified from possessing firearms. Hell, were it not for those drug laws, they might not have even wanted to have firearms.

So *I* say they're patriots and constitution-lovers, and the possession of the firearm was illegal only because their constitutional rights had been violated, and they were righteously refusing to obey such an unjust law. What say ye?

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[OpSomBlood]

43. Law-abiding gun dealers.

No comment.

[iverglas]

57. "No comment"

Well, I don't blame you for that.

"Law-abiding gun dealers" haven't got thing one to do with this discussion -- and as for your lack of comment on my eminently reasonable and pertinent questions ... well, no comment, eh?

.

[MrBenchley]

44. Considering that any numbnutz can stroll into a gun show in Florida

and buy a gun without a background check....

[OpSomBlood]

45. Differentiate private sales from gun shows.

You can stroll anywhere and buy a gun without a background check. That is a problem, and we have agreed that it needs to be resolved. Private sales should go through a broker who can administer a background check.

Dealers who have tables at gun shows do require a background check and the three-day waiting period. Until you attempt to purchase a gun at a show in Florida, kindly STFU as an authority on this particular issue.

I know "gun show loophole" is one of your precious VPC-supplied catchphrases, but the fact of the matter is that this "loophole" has little to do with gun shows and everything to do with private sales.

[MrSandman]

51. Check the county...

Special County Requirements
In accordance with a Constitutional Revision passed by the voters in November of 1998, any County within Florida may impose 3, 4 or 5 day waiting period on the purchase of -any- firearm, be it rifle, shotgun or handgun, at the discretion of the County Commissioners. They may also impose the background check requirement on sales between private individuals IF the sale occurs at a place "accessible to the public", such as at a gun show. They are not allowed to impose a waiting period requirement on any holder of a Florida Concealed Weapons License.

http://www.intellistar.net/~flynn/fla-gun.html#amend

[OpSomBlood]

53. Orange County (Orlando) requires a concealed permit for ALL purchases.

Gun show or not.

[MrSandman]

56. So much for any numbnutz in FL...n/t

[MrBenchley]

61. So one county does (maybe)...

<sarcasm>Thank koresh noone in Florida can travel outside Orange county!,sarcasm.

Of course, some people might really doubt why a concealed carry permit would be required for guns not meant to be cconcealed or carried....but hey, who doesn't know by now op can't back up anything he says, unless it's from the stentorian.

[MrSandman]

63. Don't know about FL...

But my CHL is not for a gun meant to be concealed, it is for a person wishing to carry a concealed gun.

The point about the gun show law is that it is not a state law, but locally controlled ordinances.

Of course, a weapon could be legally purchased from a dealer and then transferred to a 19-yo. Are you arguing the old private transaction loophole or for regitration of all guns?

[iverglas]

59. oh look

We were having a little chat in another thread about the effect of licences to carry concealed weapons. I demonstrated quite clearly that

Quite obviously, the licensing scheme is simply a way of administering exemptions to the general rule that concealed weapons may not be carried in public.

Those exemptions are granted purely for the (alleged) benefit of the people who receive them, and the licensing scheme has nothing whatsoever to do with any benefit to the cops, the general public, or anyone else.

mosin retrenched, and said that when he said The licenses are nothing more than a pre-screening tool, so that cops who encounter citizens carrying firearms can easily tell the "good guys."

he was clearly talking about what <he views> as a reasonable justification for requiring a concealed-carry license.

and said You're mentally comparing a sitution in which concealed carry is completely illegal to one in which it is illegal except with a license. I'm starting from the assumption that carrying a concealed weapon is legal and stating a justification for requiring a license.

I just thought that this bit from the site referenced immediately above in this thread was worth noting (emphasis added):

Open carry of a firearm is prohibited except in certain limited situations, ... . It is illegal in Florida to carry a concealed weapon, which includes not only firearms but other categories of weapons as well, unless the person holds a valid Concealed Weapons License issued by the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (licenses were issued by the Florida Department of State until 2003) or by another state whose license or permit is honored by Florida on a reciprocal basis.

I guess it isn't just me starting from the assumption that carrying a concealed weapon is *not* legal, and that there is some reason for it being *not* legal. And I think it's still perfectly obvious that the reason for granting licences is to exempt individuals from that rule, for their (alleged) benefit and no one else's.

There are other reasons for other kinds of licences. Licences to practise medicine, for example, or dispense drugs -- those licences are issued for the benefit of the public, to enable people to obtain the services in question from qualified people, and avoid getting them from unqualified people.

Some licences are more like licences to carry concealed weapons. Driver's licences, for instance. It's just that cars don't yet have cloaking devices, so it isn't quite possible to "drive a concealed car", and so it's a little easier to determine whether a person (a) is doing something that requires a licence, and (b) is licensed to do so -- starting from the fact that s/he is seen to be driving a car.

If there are valid reasons, in the public interest, to prohibit the carrying of concealed weapons -- and obviously someone in Florida thinks there are -- I am at an utter loss to understand how those reasons are obviated by someone's personal wish to do so. If there were no such valid reasons for a blanket prohibition, there would need only be a prohibition on "carrying a concealed weapon for a purpose contrary to the public peace", or convicted felons carrying a concealed weapon, for instance, no?

Of course, I still don't understand why a convicted felon should be deprived of this obviously essential tool of self-defence anyhow. Are convicted felons never stuck up or carjacked? If you prick them, do they not bleed?

The issuance of licences to carry concealed weapons does not assist the cops in distinguishing between good guys and bad guys. It allows some people to do something that has eminently reasonably been thought, for a long time and in a lot of places, to be a bad idea.

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[MrSandman]

52. They aren't 21...

IIRC that is a requirement in FL.

[OpSomBlood]

54. Yes, you must be 21 in Florida.

And unless you have a concealed permit, there is a 3-day waiting period. Background checks apply to all buyers, CWL or not.

[iverglas]

58. oh dear ...

And no one ever bought a firearm that someone else had purchased at a gun show ... and no one ever went to a different county, or, dog forbid, another state, to buy a firearm ... or bought a firearm from someone who had bought it in another county or state ...

Nope. That firearm obviously grew on one of those orange trees that Orange County is presumably full of ... or fell from the sky ... or sprang from the forehead of Moses ...

But I guess we'll just never know which option is the real one, since there's just no record kept of firearms that grow on trees or fall from the sky or spring from Moses' forehead ... or come from pretty much anywhere else.

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[MrSandman]

60. Private sales not at gun shows ...

were not addressed in this thread.:wtf:

[MrBenchley]

62. And thanks to that corrupt idiot Jeb Bush

and the scummy GOP, it's now against the law to even try to keep track of such things.

Amazing what really stupid crooked fuckwits can get done when they've got blood money to spend, eh?

[slackmaster]

14. "as" would make the sentence grammatically correct

But factually incorrect. Being semi-automatic and usable as a machine gun are mutually exclusive.

[iverglas]

34. now here's a question

So many of our firearms fans seem to be pretty hostile to the "war on drugs" and familiar with the number of people pointlessly prosecuted and imprisoned as part of that war ...

He's 19 and a felon and loose? When did he commit his previous crimes and why is he on the loose?

Doesn't it stand to reason that there might be quite a few people aged around 19 "on the loose" after convictions for narcotics offences?

And if that "war" is as phoney as we might agree it is, and if people do not deserve to be prosecuted and imprisoned for narcotics offences, then why would we be worried about a 19-year-old with a narcotics offence record driving around with firearms? (My bet is that that's what record he had, both on the odds and, more particularly, given that he was in possession of cocaine when arrested this time.)

Why would we not be applauding his loyalty to your constitution and bold defence of his and everybody else's rights, by violating first the bad narcotics laws and then the bad firearms laws??

Maybe natasha1 will help you out on this one.

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[MrSandman]

55. That firearms law he apparently violated(age)...

is like other age-based laws.

[MrBenchley]

2. Gun Confiscated From Cheyenne High School Gym Locker (NV)

"Two students at a Las Vegas High School face a charge of bringing a gun onto campus. Campus police say a student found the 25-caliber handgun inside the girl's locker room at Cheyenne High School yesterday. Officers say a 15-year old boy brought the gun with him and had no place to put it. They say he gave it to his girlfriend, and she hid it in her gym locker.
The gun was not loaded. Parents and students say this is just another reason why they're concerned about campus security.
"They can get knives, anything they want in the school, nobody really checks anymore."
"Their response is well, the gun wasn't loaded, the girl has been arrested... So we've done all that we can." "

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=1864868&nav=15MVN75l

Say, here's a quiz....what far right wing lobbying group that has odious nutcase Grover Norquist on its board publishes a gun magazine for kids?

[RoeBear]

4. Or this nutcase and NRA member...

You got a problem with his kids reading the magazine?

Daughter Cheryl Ford is an All-Star for Detroit Shock of the WNBA.
His full name is Karl Anthony Malone
Nicknamed "The Mailman" because he always delivers
Selected by The Sporting News in 1999 as one of the "99 Good Guys in Sports", because he donated $200,000 worth of supplies to Navajo Indians and to pay off a mortgage for a family with four sick children
Won the 1998 Henry B. Iba award for athletes who go out of their way to help others
Owns a cattle ranch in Arkansas on which he bails hay and brands cows with his brother
Named the first Utahn of the Year in 1997 by the Salt Lake Tribune
He and his wife Kay, a former Miss Idaho, have three daughters, Kadee, Kylee and Karlee, and a son, Karl Jr.
Enjoys fishing and hunting and owns a cattle ranch in Arkansas
Is active in the Utah Special Olympics and founded the Karl Malone Foundation for Kids
Operates Karl Malone Toyota in Albuquerque, New Mexico and Salt Lake City, Utah.

[OpSomBlood]

6. Such nice playmates we've got.

What a racist scumbag that Karl Malone is.

[slackmaster]

10. MrBenchley is on the record as never having read the magazine

In the words of the great philosopher and literary critic Jamie Lee Curtis,

"Don't judge a book by its cover 'til you've read the book."

[OpSomBlood]

16. He's also obviously never been to a gun show.

Because he's under the impression that they are all actually secret Nazi rallies where people sell machine guns and explosives.

[MrBenchley]

12. Piss on the NRA

andf its nutcase agenda...

I'll bet Clarence Thomas convinced you the GOP was truly committed to equality and brotherhood, roe.

[OpSomBlood]

48. Note the lack of caustic, smart-ass rhetoric on this one.

Yeah, all gun owners are racist scumbags...just like Karl Malone.

[MrBenchley]

13. Man held in shooting of stepfather (NC)

Another family made safer by guns...

"A Jacksonville man is being held in Onslow County Jail without bond for the shotgun slaying Wednesday night of his stepfather.
Glenn Ramon Anhorn, 39, of Myrtlewood Circle, is charged with murder in connection with the death of 61-year-old Cleve Sidney Morris II, said Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown.
Morris, of Tower Drive, was transported to Onslow Memorial Hospital after being shot in the chest, but he was pronounced dead before midnight.
Authorities were called to Tower Drive around 11:15 p.m. to investigate a shooting. When they arrived, Morris was lying in the driveway, Brown said. "

http://www.jdnews.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.cfm&StoryID=22602&Section=News

[MrBenchley]

17. Bernalillo Man Wounded In Drive-By Shooting (NM)

"An investigation was under way Friday in a drive-by shooting in Bernalillo that sent one man to a local hospital.
Police warned residents around 9:15 p.m. Thursday to stay inside after bullets ripped through a house.
Witness said the gunfire -- four loud blasts -- sounded like firecrackers. Neighbors said the shooting was gang-related. Meanwhile, police said they are in the early stages of the investigation. They have not arrested any suspects in the shooting. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040514/lo_koat/2205526

[MrBenchley]

19. Socorro Man Shoots Self After Firing At Police (NM)

"One man is dead by his own hand after first opening fire on police.
Officials said two Socorro police officers responded to a domestic disturbance call around 10 p.m. Thursday at a mobile home park on Eastwood Loop off of Interstate 25 on the north end of Socorro.
Police said when the officers arrived, they found Dale Nunez in his car. Officers said they took cover when the man began firing shots at them. They did not return fire. Nunez then turned the gun on himself. "

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=375&ncid=375&e=3&u=/ibsys/20040514/lo_koat/2205518

[OpSomBlood]

20. Justice served.

n/t

[LibLabUK]

26. Hmm....

What an odd thing to say.

[MrBenchley]

21. Kent teen arrested after guns found in locker (MD)

"STEVENSVILLE -- Police arrested a 15-year-old boy yesterday who is accused of bringing guns and ammunition to a high school on Kent Island in Queen Anne's County.
The juvenile, whose name was not divulged, was charged with theft of the guns, possession of handguns on school property and handgun violations, the Queen Anne County sheriff's office said.
Students at Kent Island High School first told school officials that the boy had guns in his book bag about 9:50 a.m.
School officials and a deputy sheriff searched the student's locker and found the book bag, which contained a 9 mm Ruger handgun with a round in the chamber, a .22-caliber handgun, and two loaded magazines.
Authorities found a total of 31 rounds of ammunition, including 15 rounds of 9 mm ammunition and 16 rounds of .22-caliber ammunition. "

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/crime/bal-md.guns14may14,0,3437915.story?coll=bal-local-headlines

Quick! What far right wing lobbying group that has nutcase racist Ted Nugent on its board of directors publishes a gun magazine for kids?

[OpSomBlood]

22. Arrest the parents.

n/t

[MrBenchley]

23. Police: Student Says Gun For Protection Away From School (KY)

"LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A student allegedly caught with a pistol in his backpack at a local school Thursday said he needed it for protection.
The 17-year-old student at Waggener High School was arrested after a classmate told a teacher about the weapon and the teacher called school resource officer Dennis McDonald, according to WLKY NewsChannel 32.
"When the student left the backpack unattended momentarily, (the teacher) secured the backpack and immediately called for me," McDonald said.
The student, who had not been in trouble before this incident, told authorities he needed the gun because of problems in his neighborhood."

http://www.thelouisvillechannel.com/education/3304282/detail.html

Say, I wonder which far right wing lobbying group with a bunch of paramilitary crazies on its board of directors publishes a gun magazine for kids?

[OpSomBlood]

24. Arrest the parents.

n/t

[RoeBear]

50. You're such a joke

"Say, I wonder which far right wing lobbying group with a bunch of paramilitary crazies on its board of directors publishes a gun magazine for kids?"

If this child had read the lastest issue I'm sure he would have learned how to smuggle his gun into school. That is what they do in that magazine right? RIGHT?!?

Oh I forgot you've never read the magazine.

[MrBenchley]

25. Man denies assaulting Tri-City officer (WA)

Another law-abiding responsible gun owner (snicker)

"Douglas James Conner said he just wanted his pain to go away when he grabbed a pistol from his bedroom and put it to his head.
But when he couldn't pull the trigger himself that August evening, the Kennewick man started firing into the ground in his yard. Calls quickly flooded the 911 center.
Sgt. Brian Swartswalter, the first police officer to arrive at Conner's East 15th Avenue home on Aug. 23, ordered Conner to drop the gun. Instead, Conner gripped the pistol with both hands and took aim at Swartswalter, the officer testified this week in Conner's Superior Court trial for attempted first-degree assault. "

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tch/local/story/5070075p-4997592c.html

[LibLabUK]

27. Hold on, hold on...

He was not only no law-abiding, he was also mentally-ill?

Great!

[MrBenchley]

28. AND a substance abuser who got drunk earlier in the day

I wonder if you can accurately judge MY level of national pride that his "privacy" wasn't "infringed" in any way that could have hindered him disrupting his neighborhood and shooting at the cops.

[OpSomBlood]

30. Take one extreme case and apply it to millions of gun owners.

That could be the ultimate guilt by association.

[iverglas]

36. well, go ahead, if you like

Take one extreme case and apply it to millions of gun owners.

I can't think of why you would, but don't let me stop you.

Freedom of speech! Freedom of speech!!

I mean ... I can't even find a milligram of meaning in it, but there's no law that says you can't say something meaningless every waking moment of the day, is there? And anybody who tries to make one will have me to reckon with, I sincerely assure you.

.

[MrBenchley]

29. Durham man dies in shooting (NC)

"DURHAM -- A Durham woman was charged with shooting her husband to death late Thursday after a "domestic altercation" inside their East Durham home, Durham police said in a news release.
Officers responded to a "gunshot wound" call at 601 N. Elizabeth St. at 11:03 p.m. Thursday. They found 57-year-old Jasper Gaddy lying on the floor. He was pronounced dead at the scene. "

http://newsobserver.com/news/story/3587287p-3188629c.html

[MrBenchley]

31. Overnight Shooting Victim Identified (KY)

"LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A local man was shot and killed early Friday in his home.
The shooting happened in the 600 block of East St. Catherine, WLKY NewsChannel 32 reported.
Metro Deputy Coroner R.D. Jones said Marvin Bell Jr. was shot several times in the back."

http://www.thelouisvillechannel.com/news/3304192/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

32. Investigation into shooting continues (MA)

"Pittsfield police are continuing their investigation into a shooting early Wednesday evening near the intersection of Madison and Daniels avenues.
Police said two cars turned off of Daniels and onto Madison, when the second car pulled in front and stopped. Investigators said the driver then jumped out and fired two shots into the hood of the other car."

http://www.capitalnews9.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=74317

[MrBenchley]

33. Fatal Shooting Suspect Barricades Self In Apartment (TX)

Wonder how much dough nutso's stunt cost Texas taxpayers?

"Houston police said the man shot and killed a woman at an apartment complex on Brumblay and Lavaca around 9 p.m.
Officials said the suspect then fled to a nearby apartment where he barricaded himself inside an apartment.
SWAT teams were called to the scene and eventually took him into custody. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040514/lo_kprc/2205590

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[MrBenchley]

39. Two found dead in shooting (TX)

"Denton police detectives investigated a double shooting through Thursday’s stormy evening as rain washed blood from the parking lot of Good Samaritan Village retirement home.
Few details were available, and the man and woman who died there at about 6 p.m. had not been positively identified.
Detective Sgt. Roger White said detectives still were interviewing possible witnesses to try to determine what happened. The man and woman appear to have died of gunshot wounds, he said. "

http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedcontent/dws/drc/localnews/stories/DRC_Two_found_dead.1beb5ac2f.html

[RamboLiberal]

46. 3 more charged with owning machine guns (PA Militia)

http://www.post-gazette.com/breaking/20040514militiap5.asp

Three more northwestern Pennsylvania men were indicted yesterday on charges they owned illegal homemade machine guns, while two self-proclaimed leaders of militias have been indicted on more charges of owning the machine guns.

Chester Morrell, Daniel Morrell and Terrance Willaman were each charged with violating federal firearms laws for allegedly owning Sten guns — easily reproduced 9mm machine guns originally developed by the British in World War II.

The indictments stem from federal investigations of George Bilunka, 59, of Atlantic, and Darrell Sivik, 55, of Meadville, who allegedly sold one of the illegally made machine guns to an undercover agent for $300 in February.

Federal prosecutors said Sivik, a gunsmith who claims to be the leader of the Braveheart Militia, made the machine gun allegedly sold to the agent. He has not been charged with making the machine guns the other men allegedly owned.

Bilunka, who claims to be the head of a militia called the Christian American Patriots Survivalists, and Sivik had both been indicted on charges of allegedly owning and selling the Sten gun.

[FeebMaster]

47. Ahh the Sten.

You can probably still build one for less than the $200 NFA tax, assuming it was still legal for a civilian to do so.

[MrBenchley]

49. Police Investigate Shooting At KCK Home

"Police are investigating a shooting inside a home in the 1800 block of Tremont Friday morning.
The victim apparently was seriously hurt. There is no word from police on circumstances surrounding the shooting. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040514/lo_kmbc/2206056