GUNS IN THE NEWS--April 27, 2004

[MrBenchley]

As CO Liberal sez:
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[MrBenchley]

1. Park Hill Student Takes Loaded Gun To School (MO)

"A boy in the Park Hill School District was suspended on Monday for bringing a loaded gun to school, KMBC reported.
District officials say a 13-year-old student at Lakeview Middle School took the weapon to the school. Students informed the principal, and the school was locked down while a police officer and the principal confronted the student.
Authorities said the weapon was a .357-caliber handgun loaded with five bullets. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040427/lo_kmbc/2178558

[MrBenchley]

2. R-F school employees are shot (TX)

"ROCKPORT - Two school district employees were shot on Monday, prompting an hour-long standoff between police and a disgruntled bus driver armed with a .22-caliber handgun. The driver had been suspended earlier in the day.
Vicki Crawford, transportation supervisor for the district, and Sherry Green, transportation coordinator, were shot with a .22-caliber handgun, police said. Both women were taken to Christus Spohn Hospital Memorial in Corpus Christi.
Green suffered a gunshot wound to the head. Hospital officials said the women were under observation late Monday but were unable to release any information about their conditions.
According to Dr. Stan Haun, a physician in Rockport, Green had an exit wound in her face, but she and Crawford appeared in stable condition when they were taken away from the scene. "

http://www.caller.com/ccct/local_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_811_2840448,00.html

[MrBenchley]

3. Accidental Shooting Kills 4-Year-Old At Home (MD)

"RANDALLSTOWN, Md. -- A 4-year-old boy has died after an apparent accidental shooting Monday at his Randallstown home, police said.
Miles Smith Jr. was shot in the head with a handgun about 6 p.m., said Bill Toohey, a spokesman for Baltimore County Police. It's unclear how many shots were fired, he said.
Paramedics treated the boy at the scene and transported him to Johns Hopkins Hospital. Toohey says the boy died on the way to the hospital or at the hospital."

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3239978/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

4. Woman With Gun Arrested Near Eppley (NE)

"Security guards said Bonnie McFarland was seen checking outside doors and cars in the Eppley parking lot. She was asked to leave twice, and she did, but the third time McFarland was caught in the parking lot, she was arrested for trespassing.
At that point, she told the guards about a handgun in her car and ammunition in the front console. After they checked out her claim and found the gun, she was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon."

http://www.theomahachannel.com/news/3237539/detail.html

[CO Liberal]

5. Grandmother shot to death in her sleep (CO)

Yet another family kept safe by guns in the home ... NOT!!! - Wayne

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Grandmother shot to death in her sleep

Authorities and the community of Monument are searching for answers after a tragic murder early Monday morning. A grandmother, 74-year-old Jaqueline Jean Paul was allegedly shot to death by her 15-year-old grandson at a home on Wakonda Way. He made the 9-1-1 call, saying an intruder had shot his grandmother. "The victim was found in the master bedroom lying on the bed with a gunshot wound to the side of the head," said El Paso County Sheriff Terry Maketa.

Authorities say the woman was baby-sitting her grandson at her son's home. which she often did when he worked the late shift. An official with the Sheriff's Office says an argument over a disciplinary problem at school may be a motive for the shooting.

<more>

http://www.koaa.com/news/view.asp?ID=2160

[CO Liberal]

6. Man arrested on suspicion of bringing gun to bar (NV)

Yet another one of those law-abiding gun owners that we don't have to worry about. - Wayne

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Man arrested on suspicion of bringing gun to bar

RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL
4/26/2004 11:11 pm

A 47-year-old man previously convicted of carrying a concealed weapon has been arrested on allegations he was drunk, brought a gun into a bar and hid a large dagger under his shirt, Reno police said.

William E. Stewart of Reno told Lamplighter Lounge patrons Sunday night that he was a federal agent, police said. Stewart is not in law enforcement and is employed as a casino cook, police said.

About 6:45 p.m. Stewart walked into the lounge at 240 Mill St. with a .357 caliber revolver in his hand and tried to put it in its holster under his shirt, Sgt. Randy Saulnier said.

He said Stewart, who was intoxicated, had difficulty putting the gun away and placed it on the bar.

<more>

http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2004/04/26/69415.php?sp1=rgj&sp2=News&sp3=Local+News&sp5=RGJ.com&sp6=news&sp7=local_news

[CO Liberal]

7. BR student among first to face U.S. gun charges (LA)

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time..... - Wayne

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BR student among first to face U.S. gun charges

By PENNY BROWN ROBERTS
[e-mail]
Advocate staff writer


Advocate staff photo by Kerry Maloney

Malcolm Demal Baker walks out of U.S. District Court on Monday with his attorney, Cynthia Reed. The 18-year-old is accused of keeping a loaded gun in his locker at Glen Oaks High School and faces up to five years in federal prison.

A Glen Oaks High School senior whom authorities say kept a loaded handgun in his locker may be one of the first students in the nation facing time in a federal prison for it.

A federal grand jury indicted Malcolm Demal Baker, 18, 6352 Lanier Drive, on one count of possessing a firearm in a school zone, a crime rarely prosecuted nationwide.

East Baton Rouge Parish sheriff's deputies first arrested Baker in March, saying they found a loaded 9 mm pistol in his locker and five "nickel bags" of marijuana.

Baker's is the first case in a tentative local federal initiative to address the growing problem of guns and drugs in East Baton Rouge Parish and other area public schools, U.S. Attorney David Dugas said Monday.

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http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/042704/new_gun001.shtml

[MrBenchley]

8. Boy, 14, Punished For Taking Gun To School (IN)

"Officials said the 14-year-old boy had the unloaded gun in his pocket, but police found six bullets in another pocket.
The boy must serve 40 hours of community service and report back to the court this summer, RTV6 reported."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040426/lo_wrtv/2178600

Quick...what scummy right wing lobbying group that has odious nutcase Grover Norquist on its board actually publishes a gun magazine for kids?

[Something Blue]

16. Good magazine

I got a subscription for my friend's kids when they completed their hunters ed course. Can't wait to take 'em grouse hunting this year!

Ever been grouse hunting, MrBenchley? Lots of fun and quite challenging. If you're into that sort of thing, of course.

[MrBenchley]

21. Crappy irresponsible magazine from right wing loons

But hey.....why not buy the kids some blunts and a tallboy?

[Something Blue]

35. Guns and drugs

"But hey.....why not buy the kids some blunts and a tallboy?"

Because those are drugs. I'd happily buy an interested, trained, and capable child a .22

And, in fact, I have.

The blunts are for the adults. ;)

[MrBenchley]

37. Yeah, but let''s see the little bastard

stick up a 7-11 with his tallboy....

[Something Blue]

41. My god

I can't even imagine what kind of person could say something like that. That is truly monstrous. Goodbye.

[MrBenchley]

44. Yup, your God...

[RoeBear]

61. You just called the kid on the cover of that magazine...

...a "little bastard"?

That is so sick. I hope his father meets up with you some day so you can say that to his face.

[Something Blue]

64. I'd pay...

serious money for video of that! :)

[RoeBear]

66. You'll note a pattern here...

...where he sees a picture and based on that alone will say despicable things about the person. If I didn't know better I would think that he has a major problem with prejudice (pre-judging).

[slackmaster]

67. "Thuddingly obvious"

To borrow a term used here by another contributor.

[iverglas]

84. question marks

You just called the kid on the cover of that magazine...
...a "little bastard"?

They come in so handy when one wants to avoid the appearance of actually making a false statement, don't they?

.

[RoeBear]

86. If he wasn't directing his comment at the little boy...

...don't you think we would have heard from him by now?

[CO Liberal]

36. If You're Into Mindless Propaganda

Here's something else you might find interesting - Pravda:

[RoeBear]

73. Have you even...

...seen a copy of Insights? Yet you can call it "mindless propaganda", how progressive of you CO.

[RoeBear]

26. Does that picture of the little boy...

...learning the science of re-loading terrify you? Or is there some other reason that you always post it?

[CO Liberal]

28. What "Science"??

It's just the passing of gun lust, from generation to generation.....

[MrBenchley]

31. It's a bunch of sick irresponsible right wing loonies

trying to peddle guns to kids...no matter how the RKBA crowd tries to spin it.

[hangar18]

34. What's wrong with that?

What is wrong with letting kids use or have guns? My ten-year-old has been using firearms since he was four. Same with me. And I'm not a criminal.

Don't answer with some wannabe clever response like "If I need to tell you...blah blah..." Give me a good reason why kids should not be allowed to use guns. The next good reason will be the first.

It is irresponsible to demonize guns to kids. Teach them a healthy respect for them, which is a lot of effort but well worth the time.

[CO Liberal]

38. "What is wrong with letting kids use or have guns?"

As I posted in Post #5 above:

Grandmother shot to death in her sleep

Authorities and the community of Monument are searching for answers after a tragic murder early Monday morning. A grandmother, 74-year-old Jaqueline Jean Paul was allegedly shot to death by her 15-year-old grandson at a home on Wakonda Way. He made the 9-1-1 call, saying an intruder had shot his grandmother. "The victim was found in the master bedroom lying on the bed with a gunshot wound to the side of the head," said El Paso County Sheriff Terry Maketa.

Authorities say the woman was baby-sitting her grandson at her son's home. which she often did when he worked the late shift. An official with the Sheriff's Office says an argument over a disciplinary problem at school may be a motive for the shooting.

<more>

http://www.koaa.com/news/view.asp?ID=2160

[MrBenchley]

40. Yeah, what could possibly go wrong

with kids and guns? Can anybody guess?

" School Violence > School Shootings
 Directory > Society and Culture > Crime > Juvenile > School Violence > School Shootings "

http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Crime/Juvenile/School_Violence/School_Shootings/

[hangar18]

48. I guess "Teach them a healthy respect" fell on deaf ears

Or did you choose to ignore that?

So your approach would be what?
Teach all kids guns are bad? Or put them through hunters safety or Eddie the Eagle? Stigmatize or Educate?

Do you really think any of these kids had any respect for human life, let alone firearms? No they did not.

BTW, in your cartoon, the incident on the left (Oregon) was stopped by a kid that had grown up using firearms. He was able to stop it, himself wounded, because he knew what an empty chamber sounds like when the trigger is pulled.

With proper adult supervision, kids can enjoy shooting sports, hunting, etc. With proper instruction, respect is learned. I didn't think I needed to explain what "healthy respect" means, but I guess narrow minds only understand what they want to.

[MrBenchley]

50. It sure isn't anything I bother with taking seriously

"Do you really think any of these kids had any respect for human life"
I yet to see any of the RKBA crowd who got respect for anything but gun industry profits and whatever right wing bullshit pops into their head.

"With proper adult supervision, kids can enjoy shooting sports, hunting, etc. "
Gee, and with right wing loonies peddling guns to them, what does it matter whether they get that supervision or not?

"He was able to stop it, himself wounded, because he knew what an empty chamber sounds like when the trigger is pulled.
Wow! You mean he could tell the fucking difference between "Bang!" and "click"? Must have taken months of training to figure THAT out.

"I guess narrow minds only understand what they want to"
Gee, minds don't get much narrower than the minds in these humholes..turn 'em sideways and they disappear...

[MrBenchley]

51. 13-Year-Old Accused Of Shooting Girl (FL)

Kids and guns...what could possibly go wrong?

"On Tuesday, a 13-year-old shooting suspect could find out what charges he will face for shooting a next door neighbor.
Tronnie Watson will be back in court for the second time since he was arrested outside his Mangonia Park home last week.
He's been in custody since the shooting.
The girl he's accused of shooting is back home recovering. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040427/lo_wpbf/2180599

[hangar18]

52. Gee, I think I'm going to go nail some jello to a tree

It would be less of a waste of time as opposed to trying to have a rational discussion with someone that can't come up with anything original to contribute.

I challenge you to take a firearms course, you will see, the RKBA crowd will prove you are wrong.

[CO Liberal]

53. I Had Firearms Training, Thank You

With the Boy Scouts back in the '60s. And I believe that the RKBA crowd are the wrong ones......

Don't automatically assume that those of us who favor reasonable gun control measures have never used a gun. Many of us have - some in the military. And our experience has shown us that the need for gun control is greater than ever.

[hangar18]

54. Tell me about your experience

That says we need more gun control. What are you proposing that is not already on the books?

I am interested in hearing what a rational individual has to say.

[CO Liberal]

56. I Know What a Gun Can Do

And growing up in the '60s and seeing many of the men I respected (such as JFK, RFK, Dr. King, Medgar Evers, Malcolm X, and John Lennon) killed by guns, I favor gun control.

The one extreme is unfettered access to guns by all. The opposite extreme is access by none. The solution is somewhere in the middle - we just need to find it.

[hangar18]

59. And I know what one can't do

And that is a gun cannot fire itself.

"And growing up in the '60s and seeing many of the men I respected (such as JFK, RFK, Dr. King, Medgar Evers, Malcolm X, and John Lennon) killed by guns, I favor gun control."

They were all killed by people with guns. A gun is a tool that needs a person to operate it. But I think you know that.

You are right, the solution is somewhere in the middle.

Anyone purchasing a firearm lawfully must fill out the NICS form with exception to private party sales. Those private party sales occur in homes and at gun shows. 0.7% of convicts that used firearms in the commission of a crime got their firearms at a gun show.

The real focus needs to be threefold, IMO. The first is to stiffen the shit out of penalties in which a convict uses a firearm to commit a crime. Because our prison system is maxed, we need to let the tokers out and let them toke all they want. Legalize marijuana. The other side is allowing more law abiding citizens carry concealed weapons. Not by changing the training or the background checks, but allow this across state lines. This acts as a deterent, because criminals pray on the weak. All the shootouts predicted by the gun-control advocates each time a state passes a CCW law never happen. That is an indisputable fact. I'm not saying CCW is an end all because it is not. But it is a good method of allowing people to protect themselves from crime instead of calling the police (armed) after the crime.

[CO Liberal]

62. I Respectfully Disagree

The real focus needs to be threefold, IMO. The first is to stiffen the shit out of penalties in which a convict uses a firearm to commit a crime.

That's like closing the barn door after the horse runs away. I'm more interested in preventing crime in the first place.


Because our prison system is maxed, we need to let the tokers out and let them toke all they want. Legalize marijuana.

We have enough trouble with people driving under the influence of alcohol - we don't need more stoners out there.


The other side is allowing more law abiding citizens carry concealed weapons. Not by changing the training or the background checks, but allow this across state lines. This acts as a deterent, because criminals pray on the weak.

CCW is a disaster waiting to happen, IMHO.


All the shootouts predicted by the gun-control advocates each time a state passes a CCW law never happen. That is an indisputable fact.

Just because it hasn't happened so far doesn't mean that it will never happen. And once you let all those people pack heat, how will you stop them if you need to?? It's far better IMHO to keep that genie in the bottle.


I'm not saying CCW is an end all because it is not. But it is a good method of allowing people to protect themselves from crime instead of calling the police (armed) after the crime.

It's also a good way for innocent people to get killed.

[OpSomBlood]

65. The sky is falling.

>> CCW is a disaster waiting to happen, IMHO. <<

I keep hearing this from the anti-gunners with little reference to the fact that some states have had CCW for 15 years and more without the "disaster" ever happening. In fact, the statistics across the board support decreases in violent crime in states that enact CCW licensure for law-abiding citizens.

The only "disastrous" statistics have been the high rate of gun arrests for CCW holders in Texas...statistics which conveniently failed to acknowledge that if you use a gun in self-defense, you will almost always be arrested.

Oh, yeah...and the truly mind-boggling fact that CCW permit holders are more likely to own a gun.

[CO Liberal]

68. About That "Disaster"...

With over 100,000 American getting shot every year, don't you see that the disaster is already here?

[OpSomBlood]

69. How many of them were shot by CCW holders?

Tick-tock.

[CO Liberal]

70. Don't Know

And don't care. The bottom line is people get shot, and people die. Because other people use guns on them.

[RoeBear]

71. So you don't really care...

...if you take guns out of the hands of criminals or not. You just want to take guns away from all people.

[CO Liberal]

77. Not At All, RoeBear

I just don't think that CCW holders are any better (or different) than other people. I believe in gun CONTROL - not gun CONFISCATION.

[RoeBear]

81. There are huge amounts of gun control that...

...CCW permit holders voluntarily put themselves through in order to be able to carry. They must get finger printed, have their background extensively checked, go through classes that discuss safety, legalities and hands on shooting.

These are people that the cops trust, I know because I've heard numerous times of permit holders being pulled over for traffic violations and the cops being completely uninterested in the fact that they were carrying a gun.

[CO Liberal]

82. The Cops May Trust Them.....

...but I don't. I know several people here in Colorado who brag about their CCW permits that I don't think should be trusted with anything sharper than a crayon.

[OpSomBlood]

72. This is the second time...

You've spouted off an irrelevant statistic, then responded to a request for clarification with a "don't know, don't care."

Again, if you aren't going to bother supporting your irrelevant assertions because this isn't an interesting topic to you, then why make the assertion in the first place?

Probably because it's easier to choose a side than to stand up for it.

[CO Liberal]

78. And Perhaps It's a Matter Of Priorities

Guns fall very low on my list of priorities. I know that there are some people out there who seem to build their lives aroung the RKBA issue, but I don't.

[OpSomBlood]

83. That's all well and good.

You are entitled to set your priorities in any way you choose. But don't present harsh anti-gun rhetoric then act ambivalent when it is proven false.

There is no way to directly correlate the high number of gun injuries to the passage of CCW laws. Similarly, the AWB doesn't apply to guns that are designed to fire "as fast as possible."

So please spare us the "don't know, don't care" attitude. If you don't know and don't care, then you are hardly an authority to present a case for gun control.

[CO Liberal]

85. I Never Presented Myself as an "Authority"

This is a form for discussions and the presenting on opinions. No one has to be qualified to post here.

[CO Liberal]

87. And Where Was Anything Proven "False"???

Please show me.

[OpSomBlood]

88. Sure thing.

You stated in another thread that the AWB was a just law because it was a ban on guns that are "designed to fire as fast as possible"...which it isn't. Then you used 100,000+ annual gun injuries as your evidence that CCW is dangerous, but couldn't correlate that figure with shootings by CCW holders. You used a scary-sounding statistic which unfortunately had nothing directly to do with the topic being discussed.

[CO Liberal]

89. But You Didn't "Prove" Anyrthing

Did you???

[MrBenchley]

57. Gee, there's a laugh and a half

"I challenge you to take a firearms course, you will see, the RKBA crowd will prove you are wrong."
Yeah? They gonna bring all these kids that get shot and killed back to life?

[Something Blue]

39. Reloading is very much a science

or at the very least a stringent discipline. There are a lot of variables to keep track of, precision measurements and tolerances to be observed, and potentially dire consequences if they are not.

I'll venture a guess that an article titled "Are you ready for reloading?" is addressing those exact issues. It's not for everyone, and there is an point in a young shooter's development that must be attained before s/he should consider it.

But I'll bet you knew that already.

I'm trying to treat you with respect here. You're not making it easy.

[MrBenchley]

42. It's a science, the way Wayne LaPierre is a great philosopher

[CO Liberal]

46. And John Lott/Mary Rosh Is a Great Statistician

:-)

[Something Blue]

47. So much for respect

[MrBenchley]

49. Respect for what?

Right wing crackpots? The gun lobby? These guys?

[MrSandman]

55. That is why the Europeans use taggants...

in smokeless powders.

on edit...that is right they don't

[CO Liberal]

43. Why Not Teach Them The "Science" Of Bombmaking While You're At It?

Or the "science" of making crystal meth?

:shrug:

[MrBenchley]

45. Kids could learn valuable lessons

practicing arson...

Hell, how about learning funny math at Uncle Kenny-boy's clubhouse, kids....cheat your friends out of their lunch money! Yayyyyyy!!

[FatSlob]

75. How about the science of authoritarianism?

Some here seem to know it well in regards to firearms freedom.

[slackmaster]

90. My Iron-O-Meter just went off the scale

Please review these three posts by a usually level-headed contributor to this forum:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=54539&mesg_id=54570&page=

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=52774&mesg_id=54253&page=

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=52774&mesg_id=54459&page=

[RoeBear]

60. Ah Hah!

There's your problem, your trying to exterminate gun ownership by removing the younger generation from the equation.

I bet your knickers would really be bunched up your ass crack if you knew that some gun companies design guns specifically for youths.

[CO Liberal]

63. And You're Trying to Contaminate Another Generation....

...with mindless pro-gun blather.

[FatSlob]

74. Unbelievable.

I'm dissapointed with you.

[MrBenchley]

9. Man Arrested In Easter Day Shooting (MO)

"Police made an arrest over the weekend in the shooting death of 16-year-old Valentina Smith.
Smith was gunned down outside a party in the early morning hours of April 11.
Thomas Clegg was charged with second-degree murder in connection with the shooting. He is being held on $250,000 bond. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040427/lo_kmbc/2178803

[CO Liberal]

11. Was He Trying to Plug the Easter Bunny and Missed?

:shrug:

[MrBenchley]

12. Sad to say, just an angry drunk tossed out of a party...

who had a gun...

[CO Liberal]

13. Way Too Many Of Them Out There

But of course, those are the "law-abiding gun owners" that the pro-gunners keep telling us that we don't have to worry about.......

[Something Blue]

15. If

he had a gun while intoxicated, then he was not a law-abiding gun owner.

[CO Liberal]

17. But...

...the more guns out there, the greater the chance they will be used illegally.

[Something Blue]

20. The more

people out there, the more likely they'll do something illegal, too. And in reality, they are heart of any dangerous weapon. Where shall the banning start, and where shall it end? I'm not trying to be coy, I'm serious. Whatever happens with a gun, baseball bat, or anything, there is a person driving it.

It's an old, circular argument I know, and one we will forever be on opposite sides of, I'm afraid.

Saddest thing is, I no longer think compromise is even possible.

[MrBenchley]

24. And what is being done to compel gun owners to be responsible?

Not a fucking thing.

[FeebMaster]

25. I hear they have have these laws now making

murder illegal. I know. I was shocked too.

[CO Liberal]

29. Using Pro-Gun "Logic"....

...since people are still killing people, we should just legalize murder.

[FeebMaster]

30. If you say so. (nt)

[MrBenchley]

32. After all....

Diane Feinstein is for laws against murder....I'd bet if she could end all crime, she would!

[MrBenchley]

10. Police Investigate Deadly Apartment Shooting (FL)

"ORLANDO, Fla. -- Orange County sheriff's deputies are at the scene of a deadly shooting at a local apartment complex.
It happened at the Chowder Bay Apartments off Rio Grande Avenue in Orlando, WESH NewsChannel 2 reported.
One person was killed and a second suffered minor injuries. A third person was beaten, officials said."

http://www.wesh.com/news/3240446/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

14. Two Men Shot Dead in Phoenix Office

"PHOENIX - Two men were shot to death Tuesday inside a small office complex, police said.
Police were looking for a 33-year-old man suspected of being the gunman, Sgt. Randy Force said. Authorities say the man may have made threats against the business or someone who works there.
SWAT team officers and other police converged on the building in northeast Phoenix after receiving reports of the shooting, about 7:25 a.m. After about a two-hour search, police concluded that the suspect had fled. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040427/ap_on_re_us/phoenix_shooting_8

[MrBenchley]

18. Man Shot At Restaurant's Drive-Up Window (MO)

"A man was shot late Monday night as he pulled up to get his meal at a McDonald's drive-through at 30th Street and Van Brunt.
Police said that two men ran up to the car as the man was waiting for his meal and shot him in the back. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040427/lo_kmbc/2179239

[CO Liberal]

19. "Did You Want Fries With That Bullet?"

:-)

[MrBenchley]

22. They'll get these fries

when they take them from my cold dead greasy hand...

[MrBenchley]

23. Man Shot While Pumping Gas (MI)

"A man was reportedly shot while pumping gas on Detroit's west side Monday night.
The victim, whose name was not released, was at the Amoco gas station on Schoolcraft and Southfield roads when he was approached by a suspected thief, according to Local 4. The man reportedly became frustrated because the victim did not have anything to steal. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040427/lo_wdiv/2179649

[RoeBear]

27. That'll teach him too...

..walk around with empty pockets.

[MrBenchley]

33. Cascade Park man injured when gun slips from grasp

"Jacob A. Couture, a Cascade Park resident, suffered a gunshot wound to the upper thigh, according to a Clark County Sheriff's Office report. He was treated at Southwest Washington Medical Center and released, a nursing supervisor said.
Couture told deputies he'd been target shooting in the Larch Mountain area, east of Hockinson, when he decided to try firing the pistol with one hand. He said it slipped from his grasp as his finger remained on the trigger, and fired. "

http://www.columbian.com/04272004/clark_co/139091.html

[MrBenchley]

58. Police: 3-Year-Old Nearly Hit In Drive-By Shooting (MI)

"A 3-year-old child was nearly hit during what police believe was drive-by shooting Tuesday morning.
Police say a passing car fired several shots at an apartment in the 1400 block of Concord Drive, where two adults and five children live.
One slug flew just over a couch in the living room where a 3-year-old child was sleeping, authorities told The Ann Arbor News.
The shooting occurred around 1 a.m. in Huron Heights Apartments off LeForge Road near the Eastern Michigan University campus, the paper reported.
Residents in the area reported hearing between five to 10 gunshots, and at least seven bullet casings were recovered, police told the paper. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040428/lo_wdiv/2180881

[FatSlob]

76. 84 year old woman raped in her home, neighbors capture suspect

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=18468


commentary: Neighbor armed with gun aids in capture.

[FatSlob]

79. Wow, guns can be used for good!

I'm waiting for the anti/authoritarian crowd to jump in here.

[CO Liberal]

80. Do You Talk To Yourself, Too??

The way you reply to your own posts?

:shrug: