Canada coddling prisoners pweshus feelings

[RoeBear]

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/News/2004/03/18/386081.html

"Stab-proof vests for guards nixed"
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Because, get this, it would send a 'signal' to the prisoners. A signal that the quards consider the prisoners 'dangerous'.
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"If you have that kind of presence symbolized by (a stab-proof vest), you're sending a signal to the prisoner that you consider him to be a dangerous person," said Tim Krause. "It interferes with what we call 'dynamic security.' We want staff to talk to prisoners, to see how they're doing."
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Baffling just baffling.

[FeebMaster]

1. I don't see a problem.

This is a prison we're talking about, after all. Where could prisoners possibly get weapons for stabbing? :eyes:

[arcane1]

2. baffling, but...

they have less violent crime than we do, IRRC

[FeebMaster]

3. What does that have to do with anything? (nt)

[arcane1]

4. maybe they know something we don't?

:shrug:

[FeebMaster]

7. What I should have said was:

What does that have to do with stab-proof vests?

[texasdem99]

5. That's hilarious!

This quote is priceless:

"If you have that kind of presence symbolized by (a stab-proof vest), you're sending a signal to the prisoner that you consider him to be a dangerous person," said Tim Krause.

Yes, of course, prisoners aren't inherently dangerous.

If they were, they'd be locked up in prison!

[DuctapeFatwa]

6. I think it's due to the idea that they will be rehabilitated and return to

society to be a productive citizen, as opposed to the American goal of completely and irrevocably dehumanizing them so that with the exception of brief forays into the same society that spat them out in the first place, they can spend the rest of their days doing their part to keep America's burgeoning prison industry strong and a perennial investor favorite.

[texasdem99]

25. How does a guard wearing a stab proof vest dehumanize?

Explain to me what is "dehumanizing" about a guard wearing protection when associating with inmates.

Why risk injury in deference to the prisoners and how they perceive you to be protected?

What if the prisoners can clearly see the garments? In this case, they would fulfill their function in their most ideal way, which is to be a deterrent and actually help prevent incidents from ever happening at all.

The article clearly states "Maximum Security" prisons.

These are convicted felons, we are talking here. Not schoolchildren. And since Canada doesn't incarcerate half the amount of non violent drug offenders that the US does, I'd be willing to bet that two thirds to most of them are violent criminals.

[DuctapeFatwa]

29. Treating people as humans means there is less need for stab proof vests

or many other prison-supply products that fill so many pockets.

[MrBenchley]

31. As you rightly noted

Canada is having a great deal more success dealing with crime than we are....

[demsrule4life]

32. Less need

Tell that to a dead guards family.

[MrBenchley]

37. Tell us, dems...

How many prison guards got killed last year in Canada?

[RoeBear]

40. Hey maybe we could leave...

...the doors unlocked at the Super Max facilities so that we send a message to the prisoners that we trust them.

[texasdem99]

41. You're off on a tangent

I asked, specifically, what is it about wearing a stab proof vest that "dehumanizes" a prisoner. Please explain exactly how and where the dehumanization occurs.




Ed. for spelling

[MrBenchley]

8. Is there anything as lame as an internet tough guy?

Real progressive, roe.

[Frodo_Baggins]

9. So you think this is a good idea?

Oh god...

[MrBenchley]

10. I think it's swell to see people sneering about "pwecious feelings"

when they also seem to be so terrified of their fellow citizens that they scream that they need to go around heeled 24/7.

[RoeBear]

12. And some people seem to be so terrified of guns...

...that they scream that not even honest citizens should be able to carry them.

[MrBenchley]

13. Hahahahahaha...

Would those be the flabby Republicans? Or the "honest citizens" who spout dishonest NRA propaganda and slur Democrats 24/7?

[Frodo_Baggins]

17. I understand anybody who puts a D next to his name

is sacred by virtue of that alone.

What's the name of that Pro-* Senator?

[MrBenchley]

19. Do you, frodo? Gee, that's SO pweshus!

[MrSandman]

44. Nick Rahall-D Pro gun Democrat

Numerous State and national organizations have recognized Congressman Rahall for his work. For his work on environmental issues, he is the recipient of the 1997 Citizen’s Coal Council award, the 1996 "Keeper of the Flame Award" presented in 1996 by Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt and the 1990 "Friend of the Earth Award" for his work on protecting the coalfield environment, the Sierra Club’s 1988 "Seneca Award" for Outstanding Environmental Stewardship and American River's 1988 "River Conservation Award.”

In the area of transportation, Rahall has received the American Road & Transportation Builders Association’s 1997 Public Service Award and the 1996 Highway Safety Leader Award. Diverse organizations such as the National Association of Home Care, the West Virginia Home Health Council, the West Virginia Credit Union and the American Federation of Government Employees of West Virginia have also recognized Rahall’s public service

http://www.house.gov/rahall/biography.htm

He is a lifetime NRA member and against the extension of the AWB.
He also voted to repeal the AWB.

[RoeBear]

45. If he's pro-gun and an NRA member then...

...he must be a racist. But he's a Democrat so he's one of the good guys. But he's pro-gun so he must be a racist. But he's a Democrat.
I'm so confused.

I have had the pleasure of voting for two pro-gun, pro-union U.S.Reps; Jim Barcia (retired) and John Dingle. They are both NRA members.

[RoeBear]

11. The people whose feelings I'm concerned with...

...are the union guards and their families.

I don't know why you attacked me calling me an 'internet tough guy' but my concerns are with working men and women returning home after a shift of working with the most dangerous people that a country has to offer. Where are your concerns?

[MrBenchley]

14. Gee, roe...

Sure seems to me you're attacking Canadians for consideing prisoners human...

[demsrule4life]

15. I have always known that anti-gun nuts dont

want people to have the ability to defend themselves but at the same time want to coddle criminals. I think that if Canada worries more about prisoner feelings then the safety of their guards, then they are a bunch of dumbass'es and the dipshits that make these policies are the ones that should be working with the prisoners.

http://www.odmp.org/officer.php?oid=16531

[MrBenchley]

16. Yeah?

Bet the same people who told you Ed Asner was a communist told you that, dems.

[demsrule4life]

20. I'm sure my people are more knowledgeable

then the people that told you about taggants in European smokeless powder. :)

[MrBenchley]

21. Gee, turned out Glocks didn't need taggants to blow up

They did that all by themselves.

But if it makes you feel bette to pretend taggants aren't used in Europe to track explosives, feel free.

[demsrule4life]

23. If you think Glocks blow up all by themselves

I have some great land in Florida I would like to sell.

[MrBenchley]

26. I have no doubt you got stuck with land in Florida

[demsrule4life]

27. Yep I have about as much land in FL

as I have had Glocks blow up all by themselves.

[MrBenchley]

28. Far be it from me

to argue with someone that far in denial...especially since the thread is still active on the front page.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=45018&mesg_id=45018

[demsrule4life]

30. When people say that Glocks blow up all by themselves

I have to picture in my mind a Glock sitting around not being used all of a sudden detonating. I just don't see it happening, now feed it some crappy ammo then we have a whole different scenario.

[MrBenchley]

34. That's so pweshus, dems....

[demsrule4life]

35. But hey

it is the truth.

[MrBenchley]

36. Surrrrrrrre it is....

of course, you also claimed Ed Asner was a communist.

[demsrule4life]

38. I also think he is a very over rated actor

[slackmaster]

33. Nobody ever denied that taggants are used in European explosives

They have also been used in US commercial explosives for a long, long time.

The claim I and others are having a problem with is MrBenchley's assertion that the same kinds of taggants are used in smokeless gunpowder in Europe:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=44507&mesg_id=44563&page=

That is simply wrong. Taggants are not now nor have they ever been used in smokeless gunpowder sold anywhere in the world.

Of course this is the same MrBenchley who claimed that the Catholic Church supports gay rights, so why would anyone be surprised at the duplicity displayed here?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=20608&mesg_id=20675&page=

[MrSandman]

43. Smokeless powder is not...

An explosive...;-)

[Frodo_Baggins]

18. Oh, I see

the feelings of convicted criminals are more important than the safety of the guards.

[MrBenchley]

22. Do you, frodo? That's so pweshus.

[RoeBear]

39. Maybe I should have copyrighted 'pweshus'...

...you seem to think it's...well... pweshus.

[demsrule4life]

42. I was going to mention that

now we will never hear the end of it.

[MrBenchley]

24. By the way, anybody else notice this is a Murdoch newspaper?

Wonder how honest newspapers in Canada covered this crisis?

[Wickerman]

46. Locking

Well, the actual discussion of the content in this thread lasted about 5 posts. Thanks for playing - lets do this again, REAL soon, 'kay? 'Kay.

:freak: