Texas Gun(s On Campus) Bill Suffers Major Setback (Thanks to Democrats)

[jpak]

http://www.ksat.com/politics/27969534/detail.html

Just a few months ago, it appeared legislation to allow concealed handguns on Texas's college campuses was close to a shoe-in.

However, on Thursday night, the bill was closed without a vote, after a parliamentary maneuver by Democrats.

Those opposed moved to block the vote by arguing that it violated constitutional law requiring bills to be of "one subject." A parliamentarian agreed, and the portion of the bill involving the gun issue was removed from the bill. The author of the bill was Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R (edit: moran)-San Antonio.

"What he did was tack his provision on to another bill that had to do with something entirely different. It was actually related to giving scholarships," said Rep. Mike Villarreal, D-San Antonio, who opposed the legislation.

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[Taverner]

1. Can I be the first to say that whether this bill passes or not, nothing will change

Sure, people will pack heat when they go to school.

Then their lower back will get a little sore, and they'll decide to holster it on the other side

and that's it

Gun owners aren't going to something stupid like pull their piece out and show it, and point it at people

Killers who plan on killing students will still kill - it will be just as easy for Campus Police to respond as it will be your random gun owner

My only concern is those who pack heat while drunk - and forgive me If I'm wrong, but isn't that illegal? Even the NRA is against that.

[hlthe2b]

2. re:

"My only concern is those who pack heat while drunk - and forgive me If I'm wrong, but isn't that illegal?"

So is underaged drinking... But last I checked, that remains rampant on most major campuses. Guns and alcohol-- an exceedingly lethal combination. Enough said....:shrug:

[Taverner]

3. Usually not ON campus however

Having been a student at college, there was plenty of drinking in the dorms, the fraternities, the sororities, the group homes and the apartments near by

But in an actual classroom? No

[hlthe2b]

4. I believe guns in classrooms would extend to guns in dorms...

(and on-campus fraternities)....So, I don't see your point.

Not to mention the opportunities for a hung-over, sleep deprived, and generally careless student to drop/discharge a loaded gun in the classroom..

[armueller2001]

8. Does it happen to 21 year old non-students

when they travel to banks, movie theaters, stores, and just about anywhere else?

[Taverner]

9. Well yeah, it would extend everywhere, if the school considers those 'on campus'

However, some dorms let you have firearms. Some Fraternities and Sororities do too.

I was in a frat (oh very young) and being it was Oregon, during hunting season we had a room to store rifles.

[RSillsbee]

21. Even w/ all those opportunities it doesn't seem to happen

at the 70+ schools that allow concealed carry now. Can you explain this?

[petronius]

6. The drinking issue is a bit of a red herring here:

firearms are already present in the places where most of the drinking occurs, and the bloodshed doesn't even rate as a trickle;

the people covered by these laws can already carry off-campus, and they're not noticeably implicated in irresponsible behavior, alcohol-related or otherwise;

the CCW proposals don't grant any new permissions to underage persons, on- or off-campus;

the rate of drinking on campus can't be used to draw conclusions about individual students drinking behavior;

carrying while intoxicated is already illegal in most places (AFAIK), and the self-selected people who obtain CCW permits are well-aware of that.


Nobody disagrees that guns and alcohol are a lethal combination - the unsupported assumption is that these campus CCW proposals are actually related to that combination...

[Taverner]

10. My point is you can plan for disaster here

It may not have been very clear, but my main point is: if you want to get drunk, and honestly who doesn't these days? But if you want to, you have to leave the gun at home.

[petronius]

12. I was agreeing with you: rates of campus drinking are not arguments

against campus CCW proposals. :)

[Taverner]

14. in all honesty, I had no idea who I was replying to

apologies

It's one of those days

[petronius]

18. I know what you mean - all those "reply" links look the same...

:)

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[armueller2001]

7. Can you elaborate as to why you feel that way?

Other than it's "fucked up and stupid"

[Taverner]

11. That's using logic there!

No, guns on campus is a non-issue

You would see more of an effect if you allowed pets on campus than if you allowed guns

[rrneck]

13. Good job raising the intellectual bar

to the basement.

:rofl:

[jpak]

15. +!

:rofl:

:toast:

[rl6214]

27. You are quite the internet commando with all the cool things

you post!!!111!!11

[lawodevolution]

17. Why? Can you show us how this has caused problems on the 70 campuses where it is allowed

[lawodevolution]

16. I don't mind if it takes 10 years to pass, anti gun groups are being spread thin

And this is helping divert them from other issues. Next cycle, campus carry will be back with more support. I'm for postponing the bill in this cycle and bring it back next cycle.

In Texas it often takes a while. It took a while to get CHL laws in Texas.

[oneshooter]

19. The Texas legislature only meets every other year. n/t

[lawodevolution]

20. That's why I said next cycle. In two years this will be up again. It will eventually pass.

The campus carry movement was unheard of just a few years ago and now they almost pass their bill in a large state. That is amazing and I am sure the movement will continue to grow. People are converted to supporting campus carry when they finally wake up and see the truth, but the other way does not occur.

[derby378]

36. Hate to tell you this...

...but this legislation is doing nothing to stand in the way of other noxious laws such as Voter ID, the forced-sonogram bill, "loser pays," and other bills that have either been signed into law already or are on the verge of being passed and then signed.

[rl6214]

22. Didn't you post this one already yesterday?

OH yeah, it was the same story, just a different news organization.

Unrec for drive-by posting of the same story and the same shtick

[jpak]

24. Nope - and you can scroll down through the posts to prove it to yourself

:rofl:

[rl6214]

28. Must have been this one I was thinking of

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x413780

You post so much spam it's hard to keep track of some times

:rofl:

[GreenStormCloud]

23. And this will be used AGAINST Democrats in 2012 in gun-friendly Texas.

Congratulations to the Democrats that have just helped elect more Republicans in Texas. With friends like that who needs enemies?

[jpak]

25. No it will not - guns-on-campus is highly unpopular in Texas and a liability to the GOP

Even in Texas they have limits to gun extremism

yup

[GreenStormCloud]

26. I live in Texas, you don't.

Further, you have made many silly claims about people wanting stricker gun laws.

[rl6214]

29. What would you know about Texas

Living in maine, um kansas, um florida, um, um, um,

YUP

YUP

YUP

[jpak]

33. I lived in Texas for four years - and I read the articles about the opposition to this

stupid fucking Texas GOP/NRA law

yup

[rl6214]

37. Yeah, sure you did.

[S_B_Jackson]

31. You're not a Texan....

how the fuck would you know?

Ann Richards' refusal to sign CCW legislation lost her the governor's office, and introduced George W. Bush onto the political scene, lost Democrats control of the state Senate, and only delayed the adoption of CCW legislation by two years.

A rather steep price, I think, for the small, temporary, illusion of safety that was gained.

[jpak]

34. I was living in Texas then and the CCW BS was 2nd Banana to KKKarl Roves Lesbian Lies

about Ann Richards

Far more morans chased their God Fearing GOP tails about that than CCW

yup!

[S_B_Jackson]

39. I was there too....

and what I saw was Ann Richards getting devastated in Central Texas & in the Hill Country by Suzanna Gratia-Hupp's recounting of the Luby's Massacre and the fact that Ann Richards' denial of the CCW in Texas prevented her from being able to act to save her parents' lives.

In fact, she still is extremely effective in this role
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCQN3O78WvI

Ann Richards' response to the lesbian accusation was quick and effective - she laughed at them - and they were rendered as impotent as your constant handwringing about "guns"

[MicaelS]

32. I'm a Texan, you're not...

And I can tell you NO gun control is popular in Texas.

[jpak]

35. Guns on campus is less popular

yup

[rl6214]

40. You don't know anything about texas politics

or Texas gun control. Don't pretend you do.

[PavePusher]

38. Yep, they've just played the Ann Richards Redux.

Congrats, Texas Dems, you blind, ignorant, short-sighted fools.

[S_B_Jackson]

30. This issue isn't going to go away, and it will appear on the legislative docket...

during each session from now until it passes. Notice that it took legislative gamesmanship to avoid adoption...this is a temporary delaying tactic at best.

I anticipate that the number of young men AND women, who are returning from service in Iraq and Afghanistan and who have grown accustomed to carrying a firearm every day, will apply for Concealed Handgun Licenses (CHLs) when they have reached the age of 21...and that many of these young men and women will ALSO be attending the many colleges and universities in the state.

Unfortunately, conservatives - both Democratic and Republican - learn. And during the next session, this exact tactic will not work. Let us just hope that some of those Democratic office-holders don't lose their jobs as a result of their stance on this subject. Remember that Ann Richards' refusal to sign CCW legislation in Texas cost HER her job and paved the way for the Shrub to the governor's office, and for Democrats to lose control of first the state Senate, and later the state House. Bush, of course, managed with the connivance of the USSC to assume the office of POTUS and to become the Commander in Bunny-pants.

I do not want to see history repeat itself.