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[friendly_iconoclast]

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"We are going to be deleting some DU Groups. And WE NEED YOUR HELP to figure out which ones."

[krispos42]

1. I'm not worried about it

Appropriately, it's the 2nd most-posted topic forum

:-)

[DonP]

2. Probably #1 in forums a lot of members would like to see disappear too

I've seen a number of posts that ranged from politely requesting - to demanding that the Gungeon disappear or they would leave DU. Most of the "demand" types refuse to allow for any other viewpoint than their own and would probably have gotten TS'd for one forum or another I think.

I just wish they wouldn't title it "Gun Control and RKBA".

A nice "2nd Amendment Issues" IMHO would be a lot more accurate.

[Katya Mullethov]

4. Self Defense Forum

Frame the arguement , control the conversation .

[beevul]

48. It belongs in the civil rights forum. N/T

[slackmaster]

3. I think it's seen as kind of a pressure relief valve

Much like I/P and September 11 only not quite as crazy.

[eqfan592]

5. Election reform 1 and guns 2

The two issues that are keeping the Democratic party down more than anything else IMHO, so it's appropriate that they are the two most talked about topics.

[ileus]

11. Firearms freedom issues would be a better name.

[Upton]

6. Checked it out..

and subscribed..

[tularetom]

7. We need a group for technical non political firearms issues

I'm a collector of antique firearms and occasionally I have questions about repairs, restorations, ballistics and gunsmithing. It seems sort of out of place to be asking these questions among all the pro and anti RKBA posts I see in the "Guns" forum.

I subscribed because I do have opinions on 2nd Amendment matters. But I'd still like to see a group specifically setup for technical issues.

[eqfan592]

8. I think the outdoor life group is where we are supposed to go for that...

...but I agree, it would be nice to have a dedicated group for this purpose.

[LAGC]

9. Well, if they do get rid of the Guns group on DU3...

You know where all gun-related posts are going to end up: GD.

I think part of the strategy on Skinner's part was to not have all the anecdotal current events spam cluttering GD.

[-..__...]

10. A lot of butt-hurt in the which groups to delete thread.

I wonder what the opinion of the malcontents would be if the anti-gun side had much stronger support?

[democraticinsurgent]

12. Hoping to hide it regardless

I'm just hoping that I can hide the guns forum so I don't have to see it. I don't think it should default onto everyone's page, we should be able to hide any groups or forums except the main forums.

[eqfan592]

13. Yep, nothing like keeping your head in the sand...

...because, you know, that really promotes progressive ideals....

[democraticinsurgent]

21. I don't come to DU for this

I don't want to read articles about how gun owners are somehow superior beings or how they "save lives" by having deadly weapons. If I wanted to read about guns, I'd join the NRA.

Far from keeping my head in the sand, I'm quite aware of the world. I just don't care to join the gun debate on this board any more than I want to take part in conversations about crafts, or autos. Not my thing. i suspect that you gun advocates aren't interested in seeing everything on DU either.

I don't see why you can't respect that.

[rrneck]

22. Where are the RKBA people whining about hiding other forums? nt

[eqfan592]

23. LOL, I don't really see many posts...

...about gun owners claiming to somehow be "superior beings." I do know some gun owners who have expressed feelings in that direction, but not here that I've ever seen. Guns can in fact aid people in saving their own and others lives. It can and does happen. To deny that it happens is to deny reality. That is not to say that guns aren't also used to harm innocent people, but is the firearm the source of the crime in the first place? THAT is the question we debate most around here.

I can respect you not wanting to take part in various discussions, but you are wishing to hide it completely, and that is a different story. One implies a lack of interest, the other a wish to hide from a subject entirely.

[democraticinsurgent]

27. I disagree

DU is not here for a lively debate about guns, in my opinion, it's about Democratic politics.

If you want to have a gun forum, I think that's great. I just don't care to see the threads, any more than I care to see threads about other subjects that don't interest me. There are forums whose posts DO NOT scroll through the main page, some of which I enjoy going to . I would simply like the gun forum to be one of those--for me. If y'all prefer to have those posts on your main page, great. I don't.

[eqfan592]

31. DU is very MUCH about lively debate...

....about a whole wide range of topics, including firearms. I see debates take place all the time in the other forums that interest me (environment/engery, religion/theology, etc). People who identify themselves as Democrats are not some homogeneous group. Sure, we overlap a lot more with each other than we do with folks on the other side of the fence, but we are hardly in 100% agreement with each other about every topic. Thus lively debate about any of these subjects is a key part of what this forum is about.

[democraticinsurgent]

33. Yikes

The reaction to my desire to hide the gun forum on MY OWN PAGE is really quite astonishing. You really have an issue with me not wanting to be involved in this debate?

What you say in your latest post, eqfan, I can't disagree with. But it doesn't mean anything relative to my one simple point, that I don't want to participate in the guns forum and would prefer not to see the threads on my own page, if and when that capability is available to me.

Just like I prefer not to go to gun forums, or muscle car forums, or gangsta rap forums, or other topics that don't interest me, on the web in general. You may or may not know this, but the guns forum has the 2nd most threads of the issue forums, right behind election reform. That means I'm seeing a lot of them. If it were only once in a while, it probably wouldn't bother me at all.

It seems that you are advocating that everyone MUST see your threads, because without that, each DU'er is somehow deficient.

Seriously?

[eqfan592]

34. I'm saying that there is a big difference...

...between not participating in a debate and actively attempting to hide yourself from it.

But let me ask you this, is it the constant anecdotal news story posts that bother you the most or the actual policy discussions, or is it both? If it is the former, then I actually understand your desire to hide them away. I find them to be fairly annoying as well, and not typically serving a useful purpose. If, however, it's the whole thing, then I still disagree with a mindset that wishes to bury a debate in the background.

[gejohnston]

26. Actually I like seeing everything on DU

At least that way if there is something worth reading in any of the categories, I'll check it out. True, I don't check out everything, but I don't want to miss the occasional "have to check it out"

[Name removed]

41. Deleted message

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[PavePusher]

49. "not interested" =/= "hide teh ebil"

I guess my mouse-hand idea wasn't popular, eh?

Quel dommage....

[PavePusher]

14. Oh you poor delicate soul....

If this is actually a priority for you, you are missing some things that are actually important, I'm sure.

[friendly_iconoclast]

32. Three posts on the Guns forum about how they'd like to avoid the Guns forum.

Go figure....

[PavePusher]

40. Teh stooopede, hit bernz. n/t

[onehandle]

15. Agreed. All of the right-wing links and support for Republicans here clearly make a case for that.

The subject of guns, completely aside.

[eqfan592]

16. Lol, you believe that anything that disagrees with your possition...

..is a "right wing" link. So wtf ever. This is sadly an issue that the Republicans keep kicking our ass on. We're trying to change that. I doubt many folks here actually support republicans outside of this one specific issue.

Ya know, it's damned dangerous when you start thinking that it is impossible for the other side to ever be right about anything.

[rrneck]

17. Or for our side to ever be wrong. nt

[eqfan592]

18. Exaclty. nt

[rrneck]

24. Why don't you cough up a link

where someone supports the Republican party.

[jpak]

29. But...but...but.. teh GOP cheerleading is part of the fun here

:D

[spin]

35. Not all Democrats are in favor of draconian gun control ...

such as another useless assault weapons ban, banning magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, micro-stamping, gun registration and using the faulty terrorist watch list with all its mistakes to determine if a person can legally purchase a firearm. Many of us support existing gun control laws and would like to see these laws improved to be more effective.

You contend that anyone who disagrees with your views on gun control is cheerleading for the GOP. Yet the GOP itself is upset with the NRA because the NRA supports many Democratic politicians.

While this report is dated prior to the last election, it proves my point:

NRA may shoot down Republican dreams to win back House
Thursday, October 7th, 2010 -- 11:08 am

As the Democratic Party struggles to find an electoral path which will enable it to avoid losing control of the House of Representatives in November, one surprising source of hope is the National Rifle Association.

Although generally seen as a close ally of the Republicans, the group is actually willing to support any candidate who favors gun rights. According to the Washington Post, the NRA "has endorsed 58 incumbent House Democrats, including more than a dozen in seats that both parties view as critical to winning a majority."

"The endorsements aren't the result of a sudden love for a party with which the NRA is often at odds," the Post notes. "Rather, the powerful group adheres to what it calls 'an incumbent-friendly' policy, which holds that if two candidates are equally supportive of gun rights, the incumbent gets the nod. ... The policy is frustrating Republicans who think the group is hurting its own cause and the party's chances next month."

***snip***

An NRA executive director, however, recently justified the group's bipartisan policy in an interview with the National Review. "One of the primary reasons that the National Rifle Association and gun owners continue to have success at the federal, state, and local levels," he explained, "is because we’re a single-issue organization. ... Those decisions have allowed us to build a bipartisan majority now that has proven to be not only beneficial but, I would argue, invaluable to protecting and promoting the Second Amendment. ... If it weren’t for our pro-gun Democrats, we would be having a very different conversation."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/07/nra-backs-house-democrats/

[friendly_iconoclast]

43. Be prepared for that post to be studiously ignored. But thanks for posting it.

It gives the lurkers a chance to see the prohibitionist tactic of "Pretend inconvenient truths do not exist" at work...

[RSillsbee]

30. I especially dislike the links to right wing sites such as VPC

Paul Helmke (R Moran)

Josh Sugarman ( R Moran and an FFL)

Sarah Brady (R Moran)

James Brady (Door stop)

[GreenStormCloud]

19. It won't accept my password. I know I am using the same one I use for DU. N/T

[eqfan592]

20. I think the trial period has ended now.

This thread was dead for a while now and somebody dug deep into the "gungeon" to say they wish the could ignore the gungeon on this particular thread. Makes no fucking sense, but there it is.

[slackmaster]

25. Same here, and my account on DU Classic is OK.

Must be a virus.

[jpak]

28. mmm...isn't that supposed to be "Gun Control & JPAK" group?

:D

[Tuesday Afternoon]

36. tried to sign in - got this message

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[petronius]

37. The OPost has been revived from the depths - the DU3 trial is over

We'll be told when the new sandbox is ready, I assume...

:)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

38. ok...have mixed feelings about DU3 but, I hope the new gun forum

is more about 2A and getting Pro-2A Dem candidates elected and less about shootings regardless of how it played out. I think those postings should be moved by the mods to the State forum where the event occurred. just my .02

[eqfan592]

39. I wouldn't hold my breath.....

...BUT there is a chance we will get a dedicated guns forum just for talk about different firearms, range reports, reviews, etc. Not at launch, but some time after perhaps.

I do like the look and feel of the new DU personally, and I like how easy it is to manage the groups I am most interested in. :)

[Tuesday Afternoon]

42. that would be a useful forum ...

this spamming of incidents involving guns is cluttering up this forum, imo.

I have not spent much time on DU3 so, I will reserve judgment on navigation and intuitiveness.

I have always thought DU was very easy to navigate already.

onwards and upwards!

[onehandle]

44. Well then, when a Republican is celebrated here, that post should be moved to their state.

When a 'gun rights' site, that is just a front for a gun dealer is promoted, that should be moved to 'Outdoor Life' or 'DU Marketplace.'

When a law enforcement bashing thread is posted, it should be moved to... Don't have a 'Law Enforcement' forum, do we have a 'Remember Ruby Ridge' forum?

And when a right-wing organization site is heralded, that should be moved to...?

Anyway, the room would be pretty darn empty after a round of micro-parsing.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

45. well, excuse me...you sure went a long way with that one ...

I stand throughly chastised and totally misunderstood.

Have a good evening.

[RSillsbee]

46. Does that include Republicans like Sarah Brady? NT

[onehandle]

47. posted wrong place. nt

[PavePusher]

50. Oooooo, thought-control and censorship....

That'll fix... everything.

You and Shares seem to have disturbingly similar philosophies.

[lawodevolution]

51. The antis are over there trying to get the gun forum deleted and pro-gun discussion banned.

lol. I guess we know where they get their tactics. Go to the brady campaign on facebook or any other gun control gropu that bans anyone who posts pro-gun ideas.

[PavePusher]

52. Note that those groups also either don't accept comments, or heavily censor them.

I've always found that to be a guiding beacon to truth and integrity.

:sarcasm: , if it's not readily apparent...

[liberalmuse.com]

53. AARGH!

I CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET INTO THE DU3 PREVIEW!

Someone please help.

[slackmaster]

54. It's closed

Don't sweat it.

[ileus]

55. Trial period is over...