The Machete Forum is down again

[Kennah]

Cops gun down machete-wielding man, Eric Stafford, in Massachusetts

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/03/21/2011-03-21_cops_gun_down_macheteweilding_man_in_massachusetts.html

Deputies shoot man with machete after chase

http://www.mynorthwest.com/category/local_news_articles/20110321/Deputies-shoot-man-with-machete-after-chase/

Man hit with machete

http://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/man-hit-with-machete

[slackmaster]

1. It's OK, there was defensive use of firearms involved

Never bring a machete to a gun fight.

[speltwon]

2. I heard the local machete one (WA) go down on my scanner

as it happened. Machete wounds are NASTY. Not at all uncommon in central america.

[slackmaster]

3. I took an Edged Weapons self-defense class once. Instructor had several videos of prison fights.

Any kind of edged weapon can produce dramatic, nasty, scary-looking wounds.

[Katya Mullethov]

4. The stuff in the popup ad looks pretty menacing

It doesnt seem very reasonable , and completely lacking in common sense to offer such weapons of mass massacre and racial genocide via mail order .

http://www.nextag.com/serv/main/buyer/OutPDir.jsp?search=the+machete&m=7489447153896037160

It never ceases to amaze me , that our masters allow them to hang out front in the display area of the hardware stores where anyone can just walk in and get their hands on one .

[Kennah]

5. If a person has the moxie, they'll pick up a random piece of rebar or a stick

It does not take a precision crafted weapon to kill.

It takes mindset.

[Hoyt]

7. But you don't need moxie to commit a massacre with the guns so popular among carriers..

[RSillsbee]

9. Killing is killing

regardless of the tool.

[Name removed]

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[speltwon]

13. Guns don't do any killing

People with guns often do. Of course when those people have a CCW and a gun, they very rarely use them for killing, and even more rarely use them for unlawful killing

[RSillsbee]

16. True

However, making it harder for law abising citizens to use guns for self defense will make it harder on criminals. Just like restricting sober driver will cut down on DUIs or something

[speltwon]

18. I can't argue with that infallible logic

Also, if we legalize CCW's on campus there will be blood IN THE DORMS! Ok, it's never happened before, but THIS TIME IS DIFFERENT

[RSillsbee]

21. I know you can't so turn in your gun

Yup
Yup

Wayne La Peirre is an Asshole

[Hoyt]

24. There won't be blood in dorms necessarily, but there will be killing utensils best left at home.

[Hoyt]

22. Nope, but beginning the reduction of gun sales and reducing the glamorization will.

I'd prefer to make it easier for the next generation to walk out of the house without a gun in the morning in most situations.

[RSillsbee]

26. Still waiting for you to point to a gun that is marketed

for its killing capabilities.

Did you read the comments (the overwhelming number of which said you were full of shit) posted under your article on huff po?

[cleanhippie]

34. RS, don't bring up his HuffPo garbage, he doesnt like that. Never responds to questions about it.

But yeah, we ALL saw the comments. :rofl:

[Hoyt]

38. Don't respond because I don't know what the crud you are talking about.

More paranoia from those who can't walk in public without a gun to pat for confidence.

[cleanhippie]

40. You mean you did NOT read the comments on your HuffPo piece? You really should, they are good.

So many people telling you how full of shit you are, how your views are not based in reality, and how you are well, just plain wrong.

[Hoyt]

42. Well, Hip, I didn't write anything on HuffPo. But thanks for the credit and I am sure

I am sure the criticism is from the same bunch that worships guns to obsession -- TPartiers, those afraid of the dark, cowboys, intimidators, neo-militia, border klan, mentally ill, those looking for an excuse to shoot, etc.

[RSillsbee]

44. Of course you didin't

Just some other guy named Hoyt positing your favorite scenario and raising Hell about "Toters" sheer conincidence

[Hoyt]

48. Got a link? Don't remember it. But glad it made point(s) that you remembered.

There are lots of folks against toting in public. Most don't waste their time debating folks who act/think like TPartiers. I have a special interest in those who tote -- having known a lot of them over the years. Most were pretty pathetic souls when you get right down to it.

[cleanhippie]

45. Aww, come on. Really? That wasnt you?

I mean seriously, that was not you? The name, the writing style, the misinformation, the ignorance, the obfuscation....its all EXACTLY the same.

If that is really not you, my apologies for mistaking you on that.

[Hoyt]

47. If it criticized those who pack in public, I'd like to see it. Most deserve derision. Got a link?

People misuse names -- for instance, I don't remember any "hippies" carrying guns unless they were drafted or got too heavily into to drugs/paranoia.

[RSillsbee]

50. Pave pusher posted a link maybe he can help us find it

FWIW I don't believe you for a second that post was pure you Here you go

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hoyt-hilsman/closing-the-...

"What would you do if you walked into a downtown McDonald's and were confronted with a group of men carrying guns? If you are like most of us, you would probably flee for your life and then immediately call the cops. However, in California and many other states, there is not much the police could do except keep a close eye on the armed men.

While some states ban the practice of "open carry" of weapons, most states permit the open carrying of firearms, often with few or no restrictions. Ironically, some of the Southern states like Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and South Carolina ban open carrying of weapons - a vestige of the post-Civil War Reconstruction era."

[speltwon]

27. Provide evidence of that, because in fact - gun sales

possession, and people legally carrying guns have gone up substantially in the last few decades due to among other things, liberalized CCW and firearms ownership laws, YET violent crime, etc. has gone down substantially to the point that it's at its lowest level in several decades.

I see no evidence that beginning the reduction of gun sales will do what you say it will. In fact, the evidence at least points to an inverse correlation (not necesasrily causation) as to your claim

[RSillsbee]

30. Yeah, he generally bails when you ask him for hard evidence

good thing he didn't actually win when he ran for congress

[Katya Mullethov]

31. There is allegedly evidence to attest

That the more guns you sell a nut cuttin' head skinning band of merry drug smugglers, the more emasculations and decapitations will occur . But when I consider the source of this ground breaking research I tend to think it might be caused by a flood of Finnish fillet knives . But THEY-YUN..... on reviewing the near weekly decpitation videos , I see they are using cheap Chinese cleavers and pocket knives . This lends me to think they are just some evil motherfuckers spurred on by a sea of cash . Every "side" of the war that is . And there are more than two .

[speltwon]

46. This post has a certain charm in a Jabberwocky

sort of way. :)

[cleanhippie]

33. It is ALREADY as easy as it gets to do that Hoyt, you know that.

NO ONE is required to have a gun, no one. See, your wish of "I'd prefer to make it easier for the next generation to walk out of the house without a gun in the morning in most situations." has already come true. Its called choice, Hoyt, you have it and I have it.

[Hoyt]

37. Except your choice proliferates guns, the so-called gun culture, and is bad for society.

[cleanhippie]

39. Says you. The facts of the matter, however, disagree strongly with you.

But you do have your choice now. Why do you want to take that choice away from everyone? While I understand the point you are trying to make, taking away that choice only ensures that criminals, the one that are already the main cause of gun crime, will continue to have guns. I don't get it.

[RSillsbee]

15. Surely you can cite a gun that is marketed for its "killing capabilities"

I remember reading somewhere that more murders are commited w/ .22 caliber weapons than any other type of gun on the planet

[cleanhippie]

32. And you don't need facts to commit intellectual fraud so popular with anti's...

[RSillsbee]

6. Clearly the machete emboldened the crime

Make 'em scarce, on vast shining macheteless utopia from sea to shining see

Yup

Yup

Yup

I bet I can guess what kind of machete was use (but I won't tell)

it's thise damned matchete toters, totin machetes an Chucky Cheese

Well I Think the NRA sucks

Ok, now that we've pretty much heard form the peanut gallery .....

As a side note that is an add in your post for machetes

[Hoyt]

8. If a machete emboldens, what happens when the same person packs a gun (with hi-cap mag)?

From the Peanut Gallery.

[RSillsbee]

10. Then you still have a criminal that is willing to use a weapon to commit a crime

How does that effect me as a law abiding gun owner?

[Hoyt]

11. Except the damage is a lot more. In the links above, except in one case, no one but perp got hurt.

With guns, the damage is worse and people are emboldened to do things they wouldn't have the "moxie" to do otherwise. Both are bad -- guns are worse. Yet, folks would even vote for a Republican to save they precious guns.

[RSillsbee]

14. As I said before, Killing is Killing

There's a line that has to be crossed there. A gun isn't going to take some one who isn't willing to kill and push them over the line.

As for the damage being worse let me hit you w/ a good sharp machete and a nine and see which does more damage

[Hoyt]

20. Actually, a gun does do that. Helps some folks who would not otherwise have "moxie."

[RSillsbee]

23. put up or shut up

Since it's been posted on this board several times that most murders are comitted by people w/ 4 or more felony convictions. I'd like to see you back up your claim. Preferably w/ something more than just an insult

[rl6214]

29. I don't believe that.

Can you find something, anything where a criminal says "I wouldn't have done it but the gun gave me the courage, the willpower, the moxie to do it".

[rl6214]

17. How can one use a gun for self defense if it is packed?

Best to carry it with you rather than packing it, too difficult to unpack it if you need it in a hurry.

[Hoyt]

19. Exactly, most of you won't get it out of the holster before the situation you fear is over.

[RSillsbee]

25. I did (this is the part where you refuse to comment and run a way)

Which is exactly what he did

[cleanhippie]

35. This is EXACTLY the part where he posts nonsense then runs away. That takes "moxie" dont ya think?

:rofl:

[rl6214]

28. Who said anything about holster?

I thought you were talking about packed away in your luggage as you travel.

As far a a holster, it's all about situational awareness. I can get my gun out of its holster pretty damn quick. The holster is a Fobus, made specifically for each individual model. The gun clicks into the holster, is designed to be removed in a specific motion so someone trying to take it out from the front or the side has a hard time doing it. Since it clicks into place it does not require a strap to keep the gun in the holster.

[Hoyt]

36. Again, you won't get it out in time when a gun is stuck to your head.

Dream on, and keep practicing that move in front of the mirror.

Stay safe and leave em at home.

[X_Digger]

41. Oh really?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/16/ap/national/main7157952.shtml

As they were trying to tie up the store owner, he took out a handgun from his waistband and fatally shot one of the suspects, Smith said.

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/628167/man-at-atm-fires-back-at-would-be-armed-robber

According to police, the man was attempting to use a Cash Points ATM on Eastway Drive at North Tryon Street around 11 p.m. A suspect seemingly saw that as an opportunity and tried to rob the victim at gunpoint.

However, that victim was also armed. He shot the suspect twice in the leg.

http://www.wxix.com/Global/story.asp?S=12299813

CINCINNATI, OH (FOX19) - Cincinnati Police are investigating a shooting where it appears a robber left the scene with the victim's cell-phone in his hand, and a slug from the victim's gun in his lower abdomen.

Police say the robber ran into someone with a concealed-carry permit, and at some point the would-be victim was able to get his gun out and shoot the suspect, who took off running from the shooting scene on Rosemont Avenue south of Glenway in West Price Hill.

[VoteProgressive]

43. What is the point of this post? nt

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49. There outta be a law...

more insanity from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (from 2007)...

:eyes:

AN ACT RELATIVE TO THE POSSESSION OF A MACHETE

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:

SECTION 1.

Subsection (b) of section 10 of chapter 269 of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2002 Official Edition is hereby amended by inserting after the word “inches”, in line 67, the following word:- , machete.

SECTION 2. Said subsection (b) of said section 10 of said chapter 269, as so appearing, is hereby further amended by adding the following paragraph:-

For purposes of this section, “machete” means “a heavy knife at least 18 inches in length and having a blade at least 1.5 inches wide at its broadest measurement. This subsection shall not apply to carrying a machete on one’s person or in a vehicle if the machete is carried for the purpose of cutting vegetation or if the machete is being transported for the purpose of cutting vegetation. In a prosecution of a violation of this subsection, there shall be a permissible inference that such carrying of a machete is not for the purposes of cutting vegetation. Such presumption may be rebutted.

Any individual who requires a machete for the purposes of cutting vegetation shall register the machete with the local police department on an annual basis and, upon payment of an appropriate annual registration fee as determined by the local granting authority, shall be issued a permit authorizing him to possess the machete solely for the purposes of cutting vegetation.

Fortunately, that bit of legislative nonsense never passed.

Think that would be the end of it?

Guess again...

Bill S00836 By Mr. Petruccelli, petition (accompanied by bill, Senate, No. 836) of Donoghue and Petruccelli for legislation to include machetes under the dangerous weapon law .

Sponsors: Anthony Petruccelli

* Summary
* Bill History
* Bill Text

Petitioners: Anthony Petruccelli, Eileen Donoghue

Current Status: N/A

By Request: No
A history of actions for Bill S00836 Date Branch Action
1/21/2011 Senate Bill Filed.
1/24/2011 Senate Referred to Joint Committee on the Judiciary.
1/24/2011 House House concurred.

Show Bill Text

SECTION 1. Section 10 of chapter 269 of the General Laws is hereby amended, in subparagraph (b), by inserting after the word “vehicle”, in the first sentence, the following words: - a machete, or

http://www.malegislature.gov/Bills/187/Senate/S00836