FSU Father Speaks Out Against Loosening Gun Laws (to allow concealed wepons on campus)

[jpak]

http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/FSU_Father_Speaks_Out_Against_Loosening_Gun_Laws_116666504.html

The father of an FSU student killed in an accidental shooting testifies before a senate committee.

20-year-old Ashley Cowie was shot and killed on January 9th, and now her father is speaking out to help prevent other families from having to endure the grief he's dealing with.

Senate Bill 234 would allow guns on college campuses in Florida. Chairman Greg Evers postponed the bill, but they allowed Ashley Cowie's father to testify.

This morning, Dr. Robert Cowie told senators that safety on campus should be left to police officers. He says college aged students, who are exposed to drugs and alcohol should not be permitted to carry guns on campus.

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[shadowrider]

1. Why don't we prohibit anyone over 21, who's exposed to drugs or alcohol, from carrying?

:crazy:

[Starboard Tack]

26. Yup, I'll go along with that

Should cover just about everybody

[PavePusher]

2. Well, the referenced article is so short on detail that it's hard to say...

if it's even relevant to the topic. Knowing your track-record with relevance, however, I'm inclined to think it ain't.

[jpak]

3. Not everyone is pleased with these stupid republic concealed-guns-on-campus laws

nope

[rl6214]

13. Again, why should we care what other republics are doing

I'm more interested in whats going on here in the US

[Atypical Liberal]

5. Google the shooter and victim.

You will see that:

The shooter was only 20 years old. Not old enough for a CCW permit in Florida.
The shooting was off-campus on private property. No law concerning firearms on college campuses would matter anyway.

[PavePusher]

9. I guess I was right. Whodathunkit....

Thanks for filling me in. I have decided to not do jpak's work for him/her.

I'm also going to stop feeding the loveable little fur-ball.

[rl6214]

14. The shooting was off-campus on private property.

So as usual, the OP is being dihonest at best and posting the normal spam crap that she posts on a regular basis.

YUP

YUP

YUP

[Atypical Liberal]

4. Shooter was not old enough to have a CCW permit, and shooting was not on campus.

Ashley Cowie was shot by Evan Wilhelm, who was 20 years old. He was not old enough to have a CCW permit in Florida. Also, the shooting was not even on a college campus. It was on private property off-campus.

The fact remains that CCW permit holders are far less likely to be involved in crime than non-CCW permit holders.

Yup.

[shadowrider]

6. By the way, do you get paid to spam this forum? n/t

[jpak]

7. Yup - by the Brady folks

$$$$$$$

:rofl:

[rl6214]

15. How's that working out for you?

Did you buy a coke with what they were able to afford to pay you?

[Blown330]

8. It's hard not to feed the trolls...

...but if he's going to be fed, at least we can just diligently flag his posts that are intended to derail or inflame.

[Callisto32]

10. I see your irrelevant article....

and raise you some counterspam.

[lawodevolution]

11. The ignorance around this issue is amazing

Using an event that was not on campus and did not involve a CCW holder.

And this idiot is a doctor?

[Hoyt]

12. Yep, he's a doctor -- probably seen enough gun accidents to not want them in public or schools.

[lawodevolution]

16. Wrong, he's an idiot willing to use intellectual dishonesty to push an agenda

And being a doctor does not give him authority on the issue. The 700,000 doctors in the US kill more people via gross negligence per year than the 300 million guns in the US.

Before the Docs open up the beaks about the gun issue they need to address the fact that each one of them is hundreds of times more lethal than a gun.

[Katya Mullethov]

17. But does he hunt ?

That would be swell .

[Hoyt]

20. He used to hunt. Now, guns, and those who love them to society's detriment, make him sick.

[lawodevolution]

21. It makes me sick to hear doctors attack an object like guns that are hundreds of times

more safe to be around than the doctor himself.

The 44,000 to 94,000 people who die each year thanks to gross negligence by doctors have nothing to do with accidents, it involves substance abuse, greed, laziness, and a desire to harm patients.

30,000 / 300,000,000 = 0.0001 deaths per gun /yr
44,000 / 700,000 = 0.062857 deaths per doctor /yr

So a doc is 628 times more likely to kill a patient through gross negligence per year than a gun is and the gun deaths included accidents and suicides.

[Hoyt]

23. Go to a faith healer or something. Personally, I prefer folks who carry a stethoscope to a gun.

[oneshooter]

28. My Doc has a Texas CHL, so he carries both. n/t

[Hoyt]

29. Heck yea he does. He has to protect himself from all his gun toting patients.

[oneshooter]

36. No from dumbasses that think he keeps pharm drugs in his office. n/t

[lawodevolution]

31. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhh okeyyyyyyyy

[Starboard Tack]

27. I can just see you going to your gun dealer when you get sick

he'll fix you up just fine

[Katya Mullethov]

24. He's made the leap to " True Sportsman ".... good

Probably oughtta Tweet that right now .

[Hoyt]

19. WTF does that have to do with guns in schools. You trying to increase the kill rate by guns?

[Ken_Fish]

18. Sleepy doctors stack bodies. Far more than all the suicides and crack warriors

combined and doubled again. Believe its over 100k a year.

[speltwon]

22. oh yea, doctors. The paragons of common sense...

Like the group I routinely see taking a smoking break before returning to work...

[lawodevolution]

32. Or the 300 lb Docs telling their patients to lose weight or the never touched a gun before

Pediatrician telling pts who know more about gun safety than the doc how to secure their guns.

I don't have anything against doctors but I do have something against them taking up position against guns.

[Spoonman]

30. Wrong AGAIN! Do you enjoy seeing your ass on a platter?

He's a dentist

http://www.drcowie.com/

[krispos42]

25. And once again, college students become 'tweens when they're on campus

All of a sudden, *bam*, no longer legal adults. Unable to make decisions for themselves. Falling easily to peer pressure. They just become faceless drug-consuming party beasts, driven by instincts to mate and eat.


Sure, you can go to war with a gun at age 18, but carrying a handgun at age 21? Nope. You can carry it TO the college, but not ONTO college.

[spin]

34. There are plenty of 21 year old people in Florida with concealed weapons permits ...

if they walk into a college classroom why would they be any more dangerous than they are in a movie theater or a shopping mall?

Is there something about college that makes students foolish and irresponsible?

Here's a breakdown on the ages of people with concealed carry permits in Florida:


Concealed Weapon / Firearm License Holder Profile
As of January 31, 2011

[X_Digger]

33. Appeal to Authority / Emotion. n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

35. Police Officers aren't exposed to drugs and alcohol?

What fucking planet do these people get their logic from?

[jpak]

37. In Florida, chilling testimony against guns on campus

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/02/24/in-florida-chilling-testimony-against-guns-on-campus/

Sen. Greg Evers this morning postponed discussion of a controversial gun bill (SB 234) that, among other things, would allow people to carry weapons onto college campuses after the father of a killed Florida State University student showed up to oppose the bill at a Senate committee hearing.

Ashley Cowie, a 20-year-old sophomore studying interior design, was killed January 9, 2011 at a fraternity party when another student accidentally discharged a rifle, according to police. Dr. Robert Cowie described the incident during emotional testimony, telling the Senate Criminal Justice Committee that a bullet from an AK-74 went through his daughter’s chest and struck a second student. He held back tears as he said how Ashley’s identical twin sister Amy tried to perform CPR at the party to keep her alive. Amy was “looking at the whole in her sister’s chest with blood gushing from her mouth and she knew she was already dead,” Cowie said. “But she felt compelled to do something.”

Alcohol was found in the system of the shooter, 20-year-old Evan Wilhelm, police said.

“Allowing guns in an atmosphere of college parties puts everyone involved at increased and undue risk,” Cowie told senators. “Would you feel more or less at risk today if I were carrying a gun?”

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[RT Atlanta]

38. Sad sad situation

thoughts & prayers to the family of Ashley Cowie

[Ken_Fish]

39. "feel" I love that word. Would you feel more at risk if I were black?

had aids (you know people felt you could get aids from a salad bar), hey how do they feel about the shoes I have on?

Seriously.

[Vinnie From Indy]

41. So in your world feelings have no use or relevance?

I am a bit confused as to what your point is.

Cheers!

[Ken_Fish]

45. Yes, they have uses on a date, when choosing the color of drapes

and hardwood floors. They have all kinds of great applications.. I feel brunettes with olive skin are more attractive than blondes (January Jones withstanding)

Using feelings to stir up emotions to pass laws is stupid and dangerous. Smart people ask for data. That data shows that CCW holders have less criminal behavior than police as a sample.

All the antis folks have left is feelings, the data clearly does not support any further gun controls and actually points to places where it needs to be relaxed.

[petronius]

46. I suspect the point is that assumptions about how people might feel aren't

particularly valid or useful reasons for enacting policy. Laws restricting or requiring behavior (of any sort) should be based on quantifiable and tangible facts, not emotions.

More generally, nobody has a 'right' not to be scared, offended, irritated, etc at the otherwise law-abiding behavior of another...

[DonP]

40. Out of new cut and paste stories? Recycling again?

With the record low drop in violent crime in the US, even with record sales of firearms and the expansion of CCW everywhere, I can see how gun control fans would be more stressed than ever to find new stories to appeal to emotions. But at least give it a few days before you repost the same damn stories again and again.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

48. +1 ...jpak-one-note...boring. Yup

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[jpak]

53. This article had addtional infromation about the shooting - drunk frat boys and guns don't mix

guns off campus

yup

[Upton]

42. The only thing "chilling"

is your apparent eagerness to strip constitutionally guaranteed civil liberties away from others..

[PavePusher]

43. Not on campus...

Criminals with guns does not equal legal Citizens with guns,

Your quoted article, sa usual, does not address the topic.

nup

[Bold Lib]

44. Fifth verse, same as the first.

Still no real evidence.

[Spoonman]

47. What the hell would this dentist know

about concealed carry on campus?

His daughter was at an OFF CAMPUS party, and killed with a RIFLE.

CCW on campuses has NOTHING to do with his situation!

What an asshat this guy is for even suggesting that the proposed legislation will somehow "allow" guns at a "college party".

Hey dip shit, concealed carry is allowed ANYWHERE it is not CURRENTLY banned!

I guess he (you) are suggesting college students be deprived of their 2A rights?

[jpak]

49. He knows his DEAD DAUGHTER was killed by drunk frat boy with an AK

yup

[Ken_Fish]

50. And. Is he there to request a ban on funneling everclear?

alcohol is a far greater problem. 1825 deaths a year from alcohol.. Sounds a bit more worrisome than the scourge of AK shootings on campus.

[TheWraith]

51. So one person's irrational emotions are now a guidebook for all public policy?

The law in question has nothing to do with what happened to this guy's daughter, but you accept his feelings as a valid reason for your position. Is it just as valid if one of the 9/11 family members thinks that we should stay at war in Iraq forever? Because that has exactly as much to do with the death of their loved one as this guy has.

Simply put, this man is being exploited for his grief.

[jpak]

52. How many dead coeds are an acceptable death count for alllowing guns on campus?

:shrug:

[Ken_Fish]

54. 1826, thats one more than booze kills on campus. Ban booze first

then tackle things covered in the bill of rights. So those 1825 bodies are all good?

[jpak]

55. It is banned

yup

[Ken_Fish]

56. Boy. Thats a whole bunch of dead bodies how is that possible? Maybe that ban is a joke

and addressing root cause would be smarter. University I work for basically tells students that they will not be punished if that take a person to the hospital or by police if they think they drank to much.

And I have yet to hear of administrative or criminal charges since I have been here. Or if parents are really concerned they can send their kids to a private school.

[friendly_iconoclast]

57. The "coed" in the OP wasn't killed on campus. Another faith-promoting rumor of yours is debunked....

Feel free to substitute your own reality in your own life. The rest of us will go on dealing with life as it is.

[Straw Man]

58. Ban rifles at frat parties.

But that has nothing to do with CCW on campus. Fraternities are off-campus, and rifles don't require a permit.