City, county mull gun bans (Johnson County, Iowa)

[jpak]

http://www.dailyiowan.com/2011/02/11/Metro/21330.html

Johnson County officials are set to vote on a resolution that would ban guns from county property next week, and the Iowa City City Council is eyeing similar regulations.

Nearly 20 Johnson County residents attended a Board of Supervisors meeting Thursday to speak about the proposed resolution, which prohibits firearms on county-owned buildings, parks, and recreation areas. A vote is scheduled for Feb. 17.

Iowa City city councilors are set to discuss regulation barring guns from city property and city buses at a Feb. 14 work session, with a vote on the proposal set for Feb. 15.

Both are examples of government responses to a change in Iowa law that made it easier to obtain a gun permit. The new legislation, which allows county sherrifs less discretion in issuing permits, took effect Jan. 1.

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so I guess folks aren't too happy with the new CCW law

:D

[LAGC]

1. You mean the nanny-state politicians aren't happy with it.

I'd be interested in seeing a poll as to what the people actually think.

[elocs]

2. You know, it's Pubs and freepers who refer to Democrats as nanny-state politicians.

Are you sure you are in the right place? :shrug:

Oops, I forgot. This is the gungeon so it is the right place.

[LAGC]

3. What makes you so sure they are Democrats?

Plenty of urban Republicans support mis-guided gun control.

[jpak]

4. No - freedom lovers are not happy with it.

Civil employees want a safe work environment - and they deserve it - not everyone wants armed individuals in their workplace.

yup

[LAGC]

5. Freedom and safety don't often go hand in hand.

I'll choose freedom over the illusion of safety, thank you very much.

[jpak]

6. People want freedom from guns at work - no illusion of safety in that...gun-free = safe

yup

[LAGC]

7. And how exactly do "gun-free" zones work out?

Sure, you might get law-abiding CCW'ers to quit packing heat, but someone who wants to shoot up the work-place?

You think they're going to care whether its a "gun-free" zone or not?

[jpak]

8. If you get caught carrying in a gun-free zone - you get jail time and a BIG fine

and have your gun confiscated.

RESPONSIBLE LAW ABIDING gun owners will respect gun-free zones.

Others?

not so much

yup

[LAGC]

9. And what is the goal?

If the goal is to want to prevent criminals from causing harm, how is a law which they will just ignore going to help?

Law-abiding people will comply with the law, but its not them you have to worry about.

[jpak]

10. If that's what it takes for "law abiding" gun owners to obey they law - yes

Paranoia is a mental illness and someone with paranoia doesn't need to have a gun in county/city offices

nope

[Porterhouse]

11. So you admit

that criminals won't obey a gun free zone?

[jpak]

16. Criminals by definition don't obey any laws - and break all them - not just gun laws - all the time

Laws don't prevent crimes - they punish law breakers.

That's why we have something called "law enforcement".

Break the gun laws

Go to jail

yup

[Porterhouse]

17. That's all fine and dandy

But what would you say to the people of Luby's when the criminal opened fire and the victim's couldn't fight back because then Gov. Ann Richards refused to sign the CCW measure into law, which, BTW, led to a GW presidency.

[jpak]

18. Yeah, and since that asshole George W. Bush passed that CCW law - there have been no gun crimes

and no gun massacres in Texas

Bush

asshole & war criminal

yup

:D

[MicaelS]

19. You can thank Ann Richards for War Criminal George Bush...

Richards refused to sign the CCW bill. Bush said if he was elected, he would sign it. Both happened and the rest is history. See what the consequences of Gun Control can be?

[jpak]

21. I voted in that Texas election and the CCW bill was not on the list of major campaign issues

Revisionist history fail

yup

[MicaelS]

22. Not for you, no, but it sure was for a bunch of others...

I sure saw lots of "Don't let Annie get your gun" bumper stickers. Richards was a fool, plain and simple. She should have known better. Most Texans take the RKBA very seriously and do not tolerate gun control. Instead she tried to make a political statement against the views of the voters, and in the long term it cost this country dearly.

[jpak]

23. Nope - Georgie rode in on his daddy's coattails - people didn't like the way Richards shit on Poppy

at the Democratic National Convention

and Karl Rove's disgusting smear campaign against Richard's included her alleged appointments of homosexuals to her staff and that she was a lesbian

That had more to do with her defeat than CCW

yup

[Porterhouse]

25. You can keep spewing crap

but in the end it is still crap.

[jpak]

26. Crap was what Karl Rove was spewing - and his anti-gay smear of Richards was "the" issue

instrumental to Richards' defeat

I read it the local papers and watched it on local TeeVee.

revisionist history fail

again

yup

[Porterhouse]

24. There was gun crime long before GW

became Gov., all he did was make it easier for law abiding citizens to defend themselves against criminals who are intent on hurting or killing you, and why, as a licensed CHL holder should I not be able to CCW? I have been investigated by the FBI, gone through the whole process to obtain the license, so tell, me why you would disarm me? Why do you use the word asshole so much? You are one of the rudest,most foul mouthed posters here and it does your cause no good at all, I have a hell of alot more respect for someone on your side that can debate honestly without all profanity.
Just Saying.

[PavePusher]

27. Did crime rates go up or down after the CC law took effect? n/t

[flamin lib]

12. Why is a gun owner's opinion/need/want more important than any

other law abiding citizen's? Why does everybody have to bow down before what a gun owner wants?

Just curious . . . .

[shadowrider]

13. Why do gun control advocates want gun owners to bow down to

"reasonable restrictions" or "reasonable gun control laws" when those restrictions/laws are never defined?

Personally, I think there are enough laws on the books, they just need enforcment. More laws won't do a darn thing.

[flamin lib]

28. Is that a red herring I see? Ask one question get the answre to another?

Get yer logical fallacies under control and answer the question posed.

[Porterhouse]

14. Why are anti gun peoples opinion/need/want

more important than law abiding gun owner's

[MicaelS]

20. Because Gun Owners.......

Are extremely politically committed, and extremely politically active...That's why. The whole squeaky wheel get the grease effect.

[flamin lib]

29. So it's not about validity, it's about political power? nt

[S_B_Jackson]

15. And a state pre-emption bill will, I'm sure....

be not far behind.

Seriously, what is the benefit to society for a patchwork quilt of differing gun regulations within each state? I can think of none.