Question about bullet control

[MAlibdem]

Ok, so it's a Chris Rock routine, but I was thinking about it. What do you need to buy bullets? ID, a driver's liscense? Nothing?

[MrSandman]

1. Nothing? I wish...

$$$$$
Wal-Mart, etc. No ID needed. Buy as much as want/can afford/in stock.

[ConcernedCanuk]

2. Gotta have Firearm Posession,, or Firearm Aquisition permit up here

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That's for ALL of Canada

Don't know how that'll work for American Hunters,

I got a sneaky feeling that you can't bring ur own ammo across the border ?

Bit of a bugger for a reloader I suppose . . .

[MrSandman]

9. Are the permits caliber specific?

[alwynsw]

3. Nothing but proof that you're 18 or over for rifle and shotgun

21 or over for handgun.

It's semantics, but important. No age limits for bullets. Ammunition (powder, casing, primer, bullet in a single unit) is what requires proof of age.

[MrSandman]

4. Do they still ask you for proof? Not me:-(

[alwynsw]

5. Are you kidding?

I got offered my very first senior discount last week. I was ready to slap the sucker.

[MrSandman]

6. So we, uh, open carry our proof?

[alwynsw]

7. Yeah. It's called gray hair and wrinkles.

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8. Were do I begin?

First, Chris Rock may have popularized the idea of legislating/taxing bullets (the correct term would be ammunition), but it's hardly new (back in the early 90's, perhaps?), Daniel Patrick Moynihan, introduced a bill that would tax certain ammunition at %1000 (that's right; %1,000). On more than one occasion (as recently as a few weeks ago), California has sought to tax ammunition and reloading components as well. I understand the Cris Rock reference (and the convoluted logic behind it), it's not so funny when elected representatives are actually trying to do this.

But, I digress. State restrictions aside, there are Federal laws governing the sales of ammunition.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#f6

Point of sales purchases may or may not inquire if the ammunition is intended for a handgun or rifle (they are a number of rifles that use ammo that's usually considered pistol ammo... 9mm and 45ACP, for instance). Mail order dealers always ask for a photocopy of a DL or proof of age. If any out of state ammo dealer also posess's an FFL, then they must comply with the laws of the state they're shipping to.

That said, I guess it's like asking for ID for alcohol or cigarette sales.

On a more personal issue closer to home... I'm assuming by your user name (MAlibdem), that you're a MA resident?

Read through some of the issues discussed here

http://goal.org/

and here

http://goal.org/mailorder.htm

and here

http://goal.org/fraud/report.htm


I don't know you or your beliefs about gun-control, but there is a limit on what's nonsense and what's extreme nonsense.

[MrBenchley]

11. On the contrary

I think Chris Rock's comments were funny BECAUSE they reflected a simple truth....and I think the bullet tax is a good idea.

[alwynsw]

12. Given your position on the RKBA issue

I can see why you would support such a tax. You won't be paying it, therefore you get a bit of a free ride in the form of added tax revenue from those who choose to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

Calling all gun owners! Pay a few hundred extra on your income tax this year so that the anti's can save a few bucks to donate to programs to quash our rights.

edited for typos

[RoeBear]

13. To any anti-gunner that would support...

...a bullet tax I say tax their favorite vice. It would really piss them off to have to pay 10% extra to their hookers.

[alwynsw]

14. How does one go about taxing fantasies?

How does one go about taxing false arguments?

I could go on, but what's the use?

[MrBenchley]

16. Gee, if they taxed fantasies and false arguments

the RKBA crowd would be even more out of pocket than they will be with any proposed bullet tax.

[MrBenchley]

17. Gee, roe

It's the RKBA crowd that relies on whores like the "journalists" at National Review.

[MrBenchley]

15. Hahahahahahahaha.....

Gee, and if I don't buy a new car this year, I won't be paying those taxes either....

Somehow I don't think there will be any car buyers pissing and moaning bitterly about people who don't buy new cars getting a "free ride"....but then car buyers don't have to lie to themselves about a supposed right to their cars.

And those cars will be registered and drivers licensed with hardly any paranoia from car owners about John Kerry confiscating them.

[MrSandman]

18. But the tax I would pay on an automonile is less...

than tax I pay on ammunition (5% auto vs. 6% consumer sale tax.)

[MrBenchley]

21. Hahahahahahahaha...

That's SO tragic. I feel your pain.

[MrSandman]

22. No pain...it is fairly applied.

[alwynsw]

19. Gee, you have no personal property or license fees in NJ?

I'm registering my vehicle there!

[MrBenchley]

20. What was that about fantasies and false arguments?

[alwynsw]

23. Gee, and if I don't buy a new car this year, I won't be paying those taxes

That's what you said, implying that NJ has no taxes on cars.

[MrBenchley]

24. Who the hell are you trying to kid?

Do you pay tax on new cars you haven't bought? Is there any state that requires non-purchasers to pay state sales tax on things they haven't bought?

[alwynsw]

25. There goes that rogue comet again

[MrBenchley]

26. Yup, more RKBA nonsense seen as the flaming gas

it was.

[CO Liberal]

27. Look At It This Way

Taxes on cigarettes are fine by me, because I don't smoke.

Taxes on alcohol are fine by me, because I don't drink.

Taxes on ammo are fine by me, because I don't need a gun to prove anything to anybody.

[1a2b3c]

32. Damn CO

I had some respect for you up until that post.

[Liberal Classic]

33. By that reasoning...

Taxes on homosexuals would be fine by me because I am not gay. A silly example maybe, but people do not drink, smoke, shoot, or have sex just because they have something to prove. Clearly people do these things because they like them. Saying that people own guns because they need to "prove" something sounds vaguely Freudian, but I'm not going to go there.

There are two contradictory rationales behind so-called 'sin' taxes, one is revenue generation and the other is behavior modification. The problem is many states and locales rely on tax revenue from these sources while on the other hand they're trying to discourge their use through punitive taxes. I am not opposed to revenue generation though excise taxes on liquor and tobacco, but I am opposed to the idea of taxing something out of existance. If you take cigarette sales as an example, high taxes on cigarettes haven't had nearly as much impact on smoking as education campaigns, and have the negative consequence of costing more to low income folks who tend to be smokers. The application of similar taxes to beer, wine, and liquor wouldn't have the desired result and I do not believe that a punitive tax on ammunition would have any noticeable imact on violent crime.

With apologies to Pastor Niemoller, first they came for the cigarette smokers, but I wasn't a cigarette smoker, then they came for the beer drinkers but I wasn't a beer drinker. I believe that liberals and progressives should oppose "sin taxes" for the purpose of "taxing something out of existance" as ineffective, punitive and harmful. It is one thing for the law to ban something and one thing for the law to tax something. Taxing an item for the purpose of effectively banning it is a misapplication of tax law which is bound to have unintended consequences. If they tax what someone else likes out of existance, some day they're going to do the same thing to something you like.

[1a2b3c]

34. Great post.

I hate sin tax, but what do i know. Im just a right-wing, racist, nazi.

[Withergyld]

35. sin tax or syntax??

:hi:

[Lefty48197]

36. The question is moot

Bush has destroyed the economy, and soon we will all be unemployed. How you gonna buy bullets without money?

[1a2b3c]

31. You would nt

[slackmaster]

10. A Web browser, Internet connection, valid credit card number,

And a place where they can be delivered legally.

[solinvictus]

28. Internet

Most ammo dealers require a faxed copy of a DL or state ID before shipping.

[slackmaster]

29. Yes, that is true

I've been ordering from Ammoman for so long I had forgotten that they required it.

[1a2b3c]

30. You must be

18 years old to buy rifle ammo and 21 to buy handgun ammo.