Iowa police chief pushes for businesses to ban weapons

[RamboLiberal]

An Iowa police chief is encouraging businesses in his city to prevent customers from bringing handguns into their stores – and even mailed them “no weapons” stickers for them to post.

“I am enclosing, at no charge to you, two stickers that I would like displayed boldly on your business entries,” Marion Police Chief Harry Daugherty wrote in a letter to 300 private businesses. “Although it is not mandated, I strongly encourage you to ban weapons from your premises as it will make both our jobs easier.”

The stickers say “NOTICE, NO WEAPONS ALLOWED” in capital letters with an image of an encircled handgun with a line drawn through it.

Daugherty in his letter points out some changes brought about by a new state law that took effect Jan. 1.

Gun rights activists fought for the less-restrictive permit system, which means that fewer Iowans will be denied a permit to carry a handgun. But activists are dealing with an unexpected backlash from law enforcement officials and citizens who are cracking down on where exactly people can take guns once they get a permit.


http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2011/02/07/iowa-police-chief-pushes-for-businesses-to-ban-weapons/#more-108674

Idiot! And Carry supporters are free to give businesses "No Guns - No $$$$$$'s" cards.

[Starboard Tack]

1. Thank goodness some sanity remains

Maybe putting up signs at the city limits would be even better.

[AnOhioan]

2. Agreed

[PavePusher]

3. Yeah. 'Cause it's created so many problems elsewhere...

or sumpin'....

Whut. Evah.

[RamboLiberal]

6. More like the usual hysteria

Bet most of those signs come down when business owners see an economic impact from customers boycotting their businesses.

In PA it is the rare business that posts a sign and most come down quickly.

[Callisto32]

16. I'm starting to think...

that a large number of our regular pro-RKBA folks are Pennsylvanians.

[May Hamm]

53. Fffftt... Americans talk loud but don't back it up with boycotts

The real question is - will police respond slower to a store which does not display the decal? Will the chief happen by to chat and hint that it's possible? Just implant the suggestion, of course, nothing overt that can be proven.

[YllwFvr]

55. we are pretty organized here in Pa

I rate it up there with the Virgina Citizens Defense League. We find a store that bans guns and within 24 hours they get slammed with a few hundred emails and phone calls and they get the picture! I can think of 5 or 6 examples off the top of my head where they changed from no guns, to guns are ok if not welcome quite shortly.

Money talks! So do unhappy customers.

[cleanhippie]

11. Right, because criminals always obey those signs and "gun free" zones.

[SteveM]

13. Respectfully, if I were an armed thug and saw such a sign, what would it tell me?

[friendly_iconoclast]

30. "Cool! I can get some wallets and purses along with the cash in the register"

[RSillsbee]

31. It better tell you to watch your ass

Because people like me ignore those signs routinely

[YllwFvr]

56. with me it depends

Ill enter some places, but since malls nearly always deny armed civilians I am more than happy to spend my money elsewhere.

[Hoyt]

57. What? I thought gun toters were law abiding. That doesn't sound like it. Ban em in public.

[RSillsbee]

59. Gun buster signs have no legal authority in Colorado

I can ignore them all day long w/out breaking a single law.

This is quite useful when I want to OC at McDonald's and watch people pee their pants, scream like a little girl and flee for their lives.

You don't know anyone that would do that do you?

[RamboLiberal]

4. Like this sheriff's attitude

"I don't see this as an issue at all," Sheriff Conard said. "Once people get used to the new law it will become routine."

Sheriff Conard said since the law went into effect, the biggest issue he's had is a mountain of paperwork.

"In the past we would issue 70 permits per month, and we're at approximately 1000 people that have applied, which is an increase in number we have to get out."

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While seeing a weapon might make some people nervous, Sheriff Conard said in reality there's no danger.

"Most of the people applying for these permits are law–abiding citizens who meet the requirements under the law," he said.

http://www.whbf.com/Global/story.asp?S=13973334

[Kolesar]

5. I don't need to go about my business armed, and I doubt that Iowans in Iowa City have to either

I feel "pretty darn safe" on the walk from my car to the office building, and darn safe when I go to the bank on my lunch break and darn safe when I stop for groceries at Costco after work. I don't understand the paranoia. Seen too many gangster movies?

The crime rate is going down.

[Common Sense Party]

7. It's Marion, not Iowa City, FWIW.

I'm sure the people that showed up at the Safeway in Tucson felt pretty darn safe, too.

[Kolesar]

9. So guns were not available to Loughner so he could defend himself?

For what reason were weapons like his made available to him?

[cleanhippie]

12. Uh, I will take a guess....

because its a Constitutional Right and until the day he shot people, there was no reason to deny him his rights?


Now, that being said, there certainly were "signs" that Laughner was imbalanced, but that is not the fault of the Second Amendment.

[Common Sense Party]

14. Ouch. My neck hurts from your non sequitur.

What does that have to do with what I said, or with what you wrote earlier?

Let's make this simple: Did the people in Tucson feel safe when they showed up for the Gifford event that day? Yes or no.

[Kolesar]

15. I don't know how many of those Safeway shoppers brought a gun to defend themselves

...from muggers or "other undesirables". I don't live there.

[Common Sense Party]

17. Why do you find it so difficult to answer a simple question?

Do you think anyone expected a violent act to happen there that morning? Other than Loughner, that is...

[Kolesar]

19. I will leave the mind reading to you, then

I am a skeptic

[Common Sense Party]

25. Yeah, you engage in no mind reading...

"I doubt that Iowans in Iowa City have to either"

"paranoia"

:eyes:

[Kolesar]

29. Didn't you star in Pee Wee's Big Adventure?

I know you are but what am I?

[Starboard Tack]

50. Right! Everyone felt safe until a lunatic showed up

with a FUCKING GUN!!!

[Common Sense Party]

51. Exactly.

Too bad some of the non-lunatics weren't packing.

Thanks for making my point.

[TheWraith]

8. Well, I've never slept with someone who had a sexually transmitted disease.

Does that mean that no one should need to carry condoms with them all the time?

[Kolesar]

10. Are you a "sex worker"?

Sorry, I really cannot grasp your analogy.

[ileus]

18. When I see a no guns sign I turn around...

Then I call/email the business.

[Kolesar]

20. The Chagrin Valley is positively dreamy, you would like it ...eom

[ProgressiveProfessor]

35. I do the same, sometimes in person later

The reality is that the anti gun signs come down after awhile anyway once the antis find another issue to obsess over.

[TheWraith]

36. You said that you've never experienced a situation where you needed a gun for protection.

One person's experiences do not invalidate the general practice of caution and self-protection. I've never slept with someone with an STD, but that doesn't mean that I have the immediate assumption that it could never happen to me, or that it never happens to anyone.

[lawodevolution]

21. So if you feel so safe I guess you have no reason to be trying to ban "assault" rifles or high cap

Magazines.

"I feel "pretty darn safe" on the walk from my car to the office building, and darn safe when I go to the bank on my lunch break and darn safe when I stop for groceries at Costco after work"

[Kolesar]

22. I don't waste money on stupid shit I don't need--like firearms.

That's my point.

[lawodevolution]

23. So what do you spend your money on, what kind of hobbies do you have?

[Kolesar]

24. Hundreds for Obama, Hundreds for my favorite congressman

I am proud to say

[ProgressiveProfessor]

33. Most of my handgun and some of my self defense students used to think like you do

However after a close call/witnessing/been the victim of a bashing/mugging/home invasion/stalking/other peril they mature out of it.

[Kolesar]

39. Move somewhere that doesn't suck, then

Show some ambition

[PavePusher]

40. Or someone could stay where they are...

and try to be a good influence on a community and help improve things.

Or you could just think about yourself.... YMMV.

[GreenStormCloud]

45. Are you willing to finance the move to a new location?

Can you guaranteed that the new place will have absolutely ZERO crime?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

46. What do you tell rape victims?

[spin]

26. I have no problem with your decision to not carry a firearm ...

it is and should be your choice.

I also feel "pretty darn safe" when I go places and I don't believe that I have to carry a firearm everywhere. But if I do happen to be unfortunate or stupid enough to find myself in a situation where a concealed weapon might save my life, I would feel like a fool if it was in my safe at home. I don't consider myself paranoid as I realize that there is statistically little reason to believe that I will ever be attacked.

The chances of my winning the lotto are even less than the chances of my being attacked while in public, but I buy one ticket for every drawing.

I went through the time, effort and expense to get a concealed weapons permit so that I could carry a weapon. I intend to keep doing it as that is my decision. The weapon I carry is a Model 642 S&W Airweight .38 snub nose revolver. On my way out the door, I merely open my quick access gun box and drop the revolver and its holster into my pants pocket. The firearm is very, weight and you can almost forget that you are carrying it.



If I was actually fearful of being attacked, I would carry my 1911 Colt .45 auto. It's a very heavy firearm and requires a belt or shoulder holster to carry. Putting on such a holster and carrying that much weight around is a real pain in the ass. It's easy to leave a full sized weapon behind.





I would hope that you would respect my choice as much as I do yours.

[Tejas]

27. "I don't understand the paranoia." - post home address and leave your doors unlocked

Get back to me with how it works out for ya.

[GreenStormCloud]

44. Violent crime rate is not yet zero. N/T

[Tejas]

28. Note LEO's role, does he think he's the mayor?

[Katya Mullethov]

32. It will make his job easier

No shit , really ? "No Crime" signs might to be in order .

This was paid for out of asset forfeiture funds ( we called ) so it isnt like he is wasting tax money advertising his ignorance . Their ill gotten gains are another topic entirely .

Far be it from me to suggest that anyone might call and ask
if he is high or just stupid . 319-377-1511

[ProgressiveProfessor]

34. Its a questionable use of governement funds at best

[Hoyt]

37. Give um hell Chief Daugherty, no matter what BS they say about you.

The more companies/groups that do this, the better. Let the others lose patrons and get sued when some cowboy screws up.

[friendly_iconoclast]

38. Why would some business get sued for not posting those signs?

And if they did post the signs, and some criminal ignored them- would they not be liable as well?

Just like they used to tell you back in algebra class: Show your work.


I suspect your understanding of civil liability law is on a par with your grasp of psychology.

[Hoyt]

41. If a legal packer shoots a patron, see what happens if the establishment proudly allows guns.

[one-eyed fat man]

42. Explain please

If a criminal shoots a patron during the course of a robbery, in clear violation of the "gun free zone," who should be sued?

If they put up a sign that says "No Guns" and don't subject every patron to the TSA's blue glove of grope are you relying on moral imperative to restrain criminals or only literate law-abiding individuals?

I'm sure you'll volunteer to be first at your favorite, Chuck E Cheese, to pat down patrons. Wouldn't want any "toters" to slip past you.

[friendly_iconoclast]

43. The same thing that would happen if it didn't allow guns, and someone was shot

Nothing.


A suggestion from an authority figure without legal backing does not create liability out of thin air.

Except, of course, in the minds of jock-sniffing worshippers of state power.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

52. Hoyt knows... he attended law school.

He's just pissing up a rope. :shrug:

[Hoyt]

58. You and ole one-eye ain't sounding so progressive today.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

47. So you encourage the improper use of government funds and law enforcement

ignoring the legislative branch. Interesting policies you support

[Dr_Scholl]

48. Doesn't this guy have more important things to worry about?

Like, I don't know, actual criminals breaking the law?

[PavePusher]

49. One would think.

I will guess that the good Sheriff would probably not consider such a restriction to apply to him...

[Katya Mullethov]

54. Safe bet he won't sign a Form 4 either .

And fancies himself quite the sportsman.