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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:21 PM
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FL Mom lamenting that Florida gun laws would delay what she called the "massacre" of her children
The Tampa mother who police say confessed to killing her two teenage kids wrote a note several day before the murders lamenting that Florida gun laws would delay what she called the "massacre" of her children.

The note is evidence that Julie Schenecker's alleged shooting of her two teenage children, who she told cops were "mouthy," was premeditated.

Police spokeswoman Lauren McElroy had told ABC News last month that Schenecker had left notes behind, one written before the murders and one written after in which she described the alleged execution of her children.

McElroy told ABC News affiliate WFTS on Monday that one of those notes described how she went to buy a .38 caliber pistol on the weekend before the Jan. 27 murders, only to be confronted by Florida's gun laws which require a three day waiting period to take a gun home.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tampa-mom-julie-schenecker-planned-massacre-funeral-beau/story?id=12868585&page=1

IMHO this mentally ill woman would've found a way to kill those kids even if she had been unable to get a gun. This is another case in which there were numerous signs of her mental illness & possible drug & alchohol abuse.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:25 PM
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1. I can hear the cry now from the brady bunch. 10 Days!!!
And if it only saves one life. . . .
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:26 PM
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2. 30 days!!!
:D
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:28 PM
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3. You can only say that if you use a Gutenberg Press or stand on a soap box and yell it.
Edited on Tue Feb-08-11 05:28 PM by Hoopla Phil
After all, that's all the 1A protects right?

yup



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:29 PM
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4. No, I said it on the internets using a comupter
Edited on Tue Feb-08-11 05:52 PM by jpak
:rofl:
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:38 PM
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7. Live what you claim. Your 1A rights only apply to what was had
at the time of the writing. At least that's what you claim with the 2A.

Yup, sure nuff "All Down But Nine"
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:29 PM
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5. That wouldn't work
perhaps a mental competency exam and drug and alcohol screening would.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:39 PM
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8. We really need that at polling stations too!!!
But that pesky due process thing keeps getting in the way.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:37 PM
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6. A waiting period might be effective at stopping some crimes of passion, but only for people...
...who don't already own one or more firearms.

A person who is already a gun owner should be exempt from any waiting period.
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:40 PM
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9. A waiting period might also cost the life of the person that
needs one and never had one before. If it costs one life. . .
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:43 PM
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11. Yes, and I would hold government morally responsible in a case where that happens
If you take a choice away from someone, you should be held accountable for the consequences.
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Katya Mullethov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:55 PM
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12. If it only costs one life
Then that oughtta even out eventually .
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 03:53 AM
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18. I don't always get your humor. But I did LOL at that one. n/t
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 05:41 PM
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10. Drug and alcohol abuse? What drugs had she been on?
I'm not certain I'm ready to buy into a mental illness plea. She was too incapacitated between trying purchase the gun and the murder to not ask someone to stop her? If she was that incapacitated, wouldn't someone have noticed that she isn't in her right mind?
Sorry about the questions. I heard about the murders but haven't been hearing the details.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 06:24 PM
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13. Alleged from a neighbor on 2nd page of OP link
Also police suspected drug use after a recent auto accident.
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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 06:37 PM
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14. Also in the video in the link towards the end of the clip.
Someone who attended a meeting that the family came to. So much for the ANON part.
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kudzu22 Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 06:49 PM
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15. That's it! No guns for parents of minor children!
or an 18 year waiting period....whichever comes first.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-11 08:12 PM
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16. So another gun control martyr except she didn't shoot herself like the gun control martyr that
Took an AK47 onto UT Austin last year who was trying to stop the concealed carry on campus debate in Austin.
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Callisto32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-11 07:51 AM
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17. Missed that one.
I am also not sure how someone would think that particular tactic would be effective.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-11 05:54 AM
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19. Well, so much for the effectiveness of "cooling off periods"
Not that that comes as surprise. If you haven't "cooled off" in the time it takes you to drive to a gun shop, fill out an ATF form 4473, wait until the NICS check goes through, and drive back to whoever it is that got you riled up, you're probably not going to "cool off" whatever the waiting period.

Plus, of course, as others and myself have pointed out repeatedly on this forum, the idea of people "just snapping" and flying into a homicidal rage is pretty much a myth; and the notion of people flying into a homicidal rage severe enough to use a firearm to kill a few people, but not quite severe enough to commit homicide by some other means is just plain nonsensical bullshit.
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