‘Project Gunwalker’ allegations bolstered by Project Gunrunner indictments

[shadowrider]

“Grand juries have returned multi-count indictments in five cases against 34 defendants accused of assisting Mexican Drug Trafficking Organizations with illegally trafficking firearms from the United States to Mexico,” a Jan. 25 press release from the District of Arizona Office of the United States Attorney announced. It was accompanied by a press conference, one Mike Vanderboegh of the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog and I had been tipped off to in advance, and then contacted reporters urging them to attend and suggesting questions to ask, particularly about guns recovered at the murder scene of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.

One of the confidential sources that has given us consistently reliable information in the investigation we have come to call “Project Gunwalker” has performed an analysis of the indictments and connected some dots, all of which bolster allegations raised to date, including corroborative evidence that there was high level involvement at the Justice Department.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/project-gunwalker-allegations-bolstered-by-project-gunrunner-indictments

[geckosfeet]

1. 40 ak's here, 20 ak's there. Pretty soon you're talking about gun running.

Interesting read. The descriptions of the surveyed sales and recoveries are fascinating.

But don't the buyers think it will raise eyebrows when they walk in and buy 40 rifles retail? Do they think that they have protection from 'high level involvement at the Justice Department'?

'Project Gunwalker' allegations bolstered by Project Gunrunner indictments

99. On December 8, 2009, SEAN CHRISTOPHER STEWARD purchased forty AK-47 type rifle from FFL Lone Wolf Trading Company, Glendale, Arizona, and during the course of such purchases falsely represented on ATF Form 4473 that he was the actual purchaser of the firearms. On December 9,2009, nine of the AK-47 type rifles were found by Douglas, Arizona, police officers in the course of a vehicle stop, concealed in the bumper of a car.

[shadowrider]

2. Let me fix it for you

40 ak's here, 20 ak's there. Pretty soon you're talking about government sanctioned gun running.

[RSillsbee]

4. No, let me fix it for YOU

40 fake ak's here, 20 fake ak's there. Pretty soon you're talking about government sanctioned gun running.

No one is buying Full Auto AKs in Arizona

[shadowrider]

5. Point taken. I need to adjust my bifocals n/t

[geckosfeet]

7. Ahh. I see. So the issue is really that the buyer is getting ripped off -

not that there is a gun running op going on.

I get confused so easily.

Thanks for the analysis.

[one-eyed fat man]

8. Maybe it's the vagaries of the ATF?

They prosecute a guy in Texas for selling a gun to an illegal alien. The illegal presented to the seller an apparently valid Texas driver's license as identification.

The ATF argued that because the buyer looked Mexican, could speak Spanish, and was wearing cowboy clothing, IN TEXAS(sic) the seller should have denied the sale. Relying on the identification the ATF requires was not enough!

On the other hand, a shop in Arizona calls about a guy wanting to buy 40 guns at a time and the ATF says, "Go ahead."

Then the ATF loses track of the crook, the guns, and says nothing, denies everything until several of the guns turns up at a shootout where a Border Patrolman gets killed. Now it appears the whole operation was a plan at the upper levels of the ATF to make themselves look more relevant during upcoming Congressional budget wrangling.

The ATF has had a couple of high profile and spectacular screw-ups before. Bus loads of agents with TV news teams in tow. Add this SNAFU to their resume of ineptitude and political grandstanding.

[geckosfeet]

12. Ahh. Some clarity. And I thought we were worried that the poor buyer was

duped into thinking that he was getting full autos.

[Hoopla Phil]

3. I have a friend in South Texas that is an FFL dealer. He once

had a gun buyer that he thought was going to be a straw purchase so he excused himself back to his office and called the ATF office for his area. He was instructed by the ATF to complete the transaction.

[lawodevolution]

9. Gun control supporters don't care about safety or crime rates and they certainly are willing to get

Extra people killed if it can generate a statistic they can use as an excuse or engineered crisis to ban guns.

[shadowrider]

10. They certainly don't

witness numerous threads about machete killings where the anti's seem to disappear. They truly don't care about mass murder or the victims unless a gun is involved.

[SteveM]

6. Well... maybe they were doing this as research for a book. That's it.

[beevul]

11. Lets not forget this piece of the puzzle...

Lets not forget this piece of the puzzle...

The highest number of guns seized by police and military at Mexican crime scenes came from Houston-based Carter’s Country, the largest gun dealer in the region, according to the Washington Post investigation. In the last two years, more than 115 guns linked to Carter’s Country were found across the border, the paper reported.

“I’m angry,” said Houston attorney Dick DeGuerin who represents Carter’s Country owner Bill Carter. “I’m angry because the ATF told the Carters to do this.”

DeGuerin said in 2006, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive went to the Carters and told them that as long as a gun buyer passed a background check, to sell them the gun, even if salespeople sensed something suspicious.

“What Carter’s Country did was at the request of the ATF. They went through with some sales that might have looked a little suspicious.

They did that so they could give the information and the ATF said, ‘we’ll take it from here,’ but what they did with the information, we don’t know,” said DeGuerin.

http://www.khou.com/news/Report-Houston-is-Mexicos-biggest-gun-supplier-111832399.html

Lets also think for a minute, rationally, about this, posted over at http://cleanupatf.org/forums/index.php?/topic/153-phoenix-division/page__p__1554__hl__%2Bagent+%2Bterry%26%2339%3Bs+%2Bmurder%3F__fromsearch__1#entry1554 :

After the Tucson shooting which killed 6, wounded Congresswoman Gabriel Giffords and dozens of others; within hours investigators at all levels of law enforcement publicly discussed the crime, the suspect, the motive, the timeline and the weapon used in graphic detail on national media outlets.

Absolutely true.

This was an ongoing and complex criminal investigation being lead by the FBI, was it not? We can assume that the investigation is still ongoing.

Uh huh.

So why all the secrecy and information lockdown on Agent Terry's murder? What is different about the two events short of the event itself? Why is one event so openly detailed and the other is so cloaked in secrecy?

Thats the million dollar question.

Could it be that the difference is ATF and the FBI have dirty fingers in the Terry homicide and they don't in the Tucson shooting investigation? Could it be that attorneys are telling investigators to not say ANYTHING? These are not an unfair questions.

This thing isn't simply going to go away.

[Hoopla Phil]

13. This thread needs a bump.

I'm amazed at the lack of interest from the "anti's".

[Bragi]

14. Feel free to explain what you're talking about. Or not. /nt

[jpak]

15. The Examiner = RW GOP teabagger nonsense. This is a a GOP/NRA smokescreen to protect gunrunners

yup