Making the NRA use their PostagePaid funds with my Survey answers

[UTUSN]

I don't see why they should object to a driver's license type of registration and a limit of NORMALITY on the number and power of the weapons.

Oh, even better, they ask respondents to forego the Postage Paid thing: "Your First Class stamp on the envelop will help NRA save funds for future battles!"


*********QUOTE*********

You have been specially selected to represent your fellow gun owners... ....

...(NRA survey) is designed to get the attenion of every newly elected Congressman, Senator, and state legislator, and put them on notice that we will not tolerate any more attacks on our Second Amendment freedoms. And, that we will FIGHT BACK and DEFEAT any POLITICIAN ... who tries to ban our guns and ammo or reduce by Federal mandate our use of firearms. ....

As an NRA member, we’ll provide you with what you need to know to use against politicians like Senators Charles Shumer and Diane Feinstein, Attorney General Eric Holder, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton... ....


(Their propaganda worded survey, the choices being Yes, No, and No Opinion, with only my answer: )

1. Do you agree that the Second Amendment to our United States Constitution guarantees your individual right to own a gun and that the Second Aendment is just s important as you other Constitutional rights?

(No Opinion)

2. Do you think the government should keep records of the numbe and types of guns you own in a permanent database?

(Yes)

3. Do you think the government should have the power to limit the nuber of guns you can purchase?

(Yes)

4. Do you agree with politicians in Washington, D.C. who say that all gun owners shopuld be licensed and forced to register their guns with the government?

(Yes)

5. The United Nations is seeking to impose a Global Gun Ban Treaty affecting you and other American citizens. Do you oppose any threaty that strips the U.S. of its sovereignty and harshly regulates the rifles, shotguns and pistols you own?

(Yes)

6. Do you support the passage of Federal and state laws that would hold gun owners criminally responsible if their gun is used in a crime, even if the gun is stolen?

(Yes)

7. Do you agree with White House officials such as President Obama’s “regulatory czar,” Cass Sunstein, who want to ban hunting on public lands?

(Yes)

8. Do you support passage of “Castle Doctrine” laws that protect your right to sef-defense from violent hoe invaders and other criminals?

(No Opinion)

9. Do you think the Federal government has done enough to police our borders and keep the brutal Mexican drug cartels and other foreign criinals out of the U.S.?

(Yes)

10. Do you agree that the erosion of our basic American liberties is one of the biggest political issues facing our country today?

(No)

11. Will you authorize NRA to use your survey answers to fight for your fundamental rights at the Federal level and in your state legislature?

(Yes)

12. Will you help fight for your freedom by joining NRA today?

(No)


(Signed: ) THOMAS PAINE

************UNQUOTE***********

[liberal N proud]

1. Put everything they send you back in their envelope

Along with some other unsolicited mail.

Weigh the envelope down.

[Kolesar]

2. And a pinch of kitty litter

pulverized

[formercia]

17. Lead Brick

be sure to wrap the lead securely in the junk mail.

[petronius]

27. Sending free lead to people who make bullets?

It may not be quite as punishing as you think...

[formercia]

28. See post #18

:hi:

[kirby]

3. 'violent hoe invaders' - LOL

re: Q8 - That is a real problem around here ....

[UTUSN]

4. I'll just leave the typo as thanks for the laughter and the good prooofreading!1 n/t

[derby378]

7. I had to give that one a double-take, too

Good thing at least the "e" was present, otherwise the question would have been very disturbing, indeed.

[derby378]

5. Who defines "normal?"

Lewis and Clark carried a firearm in the wilderness that you wouldn't consider "normal" by any stretch of the imagination.

[UTUSN]

10. Well, even if we substitute "reasonable" for "normal," who defines *anything* on any issue?

On the weapons, how much firepower does an individual need for a given purpose (hunting; target practice; ----oh, and for MILITIAS!1)?!1

[PavePusher]

29. What ever I decide on.

It's not your choice to make for me, or to dictate to me.

[shadowrider]

31. I'll contact the Department of Needs to have them make

the final determination on what they think I "need".

Until that department is established, I'll make up my own mind.

[Sherman A1]

6. K&R Well Said

but, I suspect you will be getting some less than positive responses in the not too distant future.....:hide: :popcorn:

[UTUSN]

9. From the Hugo CHAVEZ contingent?!1 ----------I *keed* - I *KEED*!1 n/t

[Shagbark Hickory]

8. Tape the postage paid card to a box of rocks

[Jackpine Radical]

11. A box of rocks?

You mean like the entire norming group for the Republican IQ Test?

And it's a lie that Republicans are dumber than a box of rocks. As a matter of fact, they came out they came out right at the group average.

[femrap]

16. That's such a good idea....

here I've just been stuffing the envelope!

[formercia]

18. I like your idea better

Lead can be used to cast bullets.

Send them nothing of value.

[-..__...]

49. I hate to ruin your cleverly thought out shennagins...

but... that doesn't work anymore.... sorry.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/566/can-i-mail-a-brick-back-to-a-junk-mail-firm-using-the-business-reply-envelope


Probably even more unlikely since that article was written before a post 9/11 society and tightened postal regulations.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

12. VERY well done!

K&R

[Khan Descend]

13. You've persuaded me to finally join...after all these years.

I've owned guns since age 7 - 60 years ago and was never an NRA member but seeing posts here by people who think they have the right to deny others the choice of personal defense tools, I've decided to support them. I'll be buying memberships for my 7 nephews as well. Thanks for the reminder.

[safeinOhio]

19. Will you be voting for

Sarah Palin and Mechele Bachmann too?

[Khan Descend]

20. No, but I'd be happy to vote for Gabby Giffords given the opportunity.

She supports the Bill of Rights too-- that's good enough for me. I just talked to 2 of my brothers, they suggested I buy memberships for their daughters too...so I will be doing that.

[PavePusher]

30. Association Fallacy.

Poorly played, sir, poorly played.

[TheCowsCameHome]

21. Only 8?

Hell, sign up the whole neigborhood.

They stopped mailing propoganda to me a while back. I almost miss their right-wing crapola.

[UTUSN]

22. "personal defense tools" - are not the high power sort. I'm for the controls

that are applied to other things, like driving and speed limits. Please get the NRA to send me a check for recruiting you!1

[PavePusher]

32. So, what do you mean by "high powered"?

So far you have not proposed a definition for that, or for the "limit of normality" in your O.P.

[beevul]

34. Ok...

"I'm for the controls that are applied to other things, like driving and speed limits."

No license to drive required on ones own property, nor insurance nor registration.

No speed limits on ones own property, either.

Those things are only applicable off ones own private property.

Somehow, I think thats not what you meant.

[benEzra]

44. There *are* such controls.

All guns capable of automatic fire, or that are easily converted to fire automatically, are a 10-year Federal felony to possess outside of military/police duty, without a BATFE Form 4. The number that have legally entered the U.S. civilian market since 1986 is *zero*.

All firearms over .50 caliber are subject to the same controls as 105mm howitzers, 500-lb bombs, and shoulder fired missiles. The only exceptions are shotguns (usually .73 caliber) and some .58 to .70 caliber hunting rifles.

All sound suppressed firearms are tightly controlled. So are all disguised firearms (cell phone guns, cane guns, and whatnot), guns undetectable by X-ray, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, M203-type grenade launchers, yadda yadda yadda. Armor-piercing ammunition for handguns and all rifles that matter was banned in 1986 and 1994, and is still banned.

The gun control debate is about ordinary civilian (NFA Title 1) weapons---guns under .51 caliber that are non-automatic, are not-sound-suppressed, and which meet the barrel length/overall length requirements of the National Firearms Act.

Further reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

[guitar man]

45. Define "high power sort"

Please list what calibers are ok and which aren't , and an explanation of why with facts and figures would be helpful in understanding. :)

[Sherman A1]

23. And here we go...

as predicted........:freak:

[femrap]

14. And put lots of

paper, plastic, whatever into the return envelope so they have to pay extra postage!!!!!!!!

[spin]

15. If it makes you feel good ...

then enjoy yourself.

I'm an NRA member and I get tired of their fund raising campaigns. I just file them in file 13

[Brilliantrocket]

24. Don't worry buddy, just sent the NRA a $50 donation because of this.

Was hoping to send some sort of donation, this post made me double it. YAY. Also gonna renew my membership for 3 years.

[KansasVoter]

48. I just had them Fedex me some documentation for $20.

[DonP]

50. Sure you did. Really, not that any of us doubt your word, but ...

... what kind of documentation did the NRA supply that cost $20.

Was that the application for your concealed carry class that was rescheduled, cancelled, moved to Greece, or whatever this weeks story is, or was it your daughter's membership card that you had bronzed, a certificate verifying your 1873 Colt SAA, the paperwork proving you are Wayne LaPierre's illegitimate love child? You seem to have a consistency issue with NRA stories.

[KansasVoter]

51. Transcripts of past NRA National Meetings! For my book,

[Hoopla Phil]

55. So when is the concealed carry class of yours?

[YllwFvr]

25. Im very pro gun

and very anti NRA.
Btw, did you mean to answer number 5 that way? The meat of it
Do you oppose any treaty that strips the U.S. of its sovereignty and harshly regulates the rifles, shotguns and pistols you own?

(Yes)

[UTUSN]

36. (& to #33, below) The "survey" was worded leadingly, not substantively, and my replies were

intended to yank the wingnuts' chains, no matter WHAT the supposed topic was. Perhaps I should have added emoticons to my "responses."

Although I realize the thread is now in the gun forum, I seldom leave GD, LBN, and Lounge, and really, my only interest is in being a Big Umbrella Democrat who kneejerks opposition and ridicule to any and all Wingnuts. My thread had next to nothing to do with the topic of "guns."

[YllwFvr]

38. I thought it was rather funny.

You wont burn my ass by jumping on the NRA

[Glassunion]

26. Funny... I have not received my survey yet.

I'm sure any day now it will show up in the mail. *holding breath*

[PavePusher]

33. Surely you would apply this:

"2. Do you think the government should keep records of the numbe and types of guns you own in a permanent database?

(Yes)"

...to the rest of the Bill of Rights as well, amIrite?

[lawodevolution]

35. I'm not surprised that y'all anti gun activists are willing to commit acts of aggression against the

NRA because that is the organization that is the most effective voice for people like me and other gun owners. You can't win hearts and minds so you act out and try to fraudulently harm their finances by putting extra weight in their envelope. Pathetic.

[shadowrider]

37. +1 (I'd give ya more, but I'm kinda low right now)

[slackmaster]

39. I had the Brady Campaign mail me a whole bunch of their literature at their expense once

I used it for target practice.

[shadowrider]

40. LOL, did ya weigh it down and send it back? n/t

[aikoaiko]

41. Do you really believe in those answers?!!!!!11!!1!!!1!!

edited to add: I just read your post #36. I now understand you were disingenuous. Carry on!1!!!1!!1!!111

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

42. If you were shooting for a straight antiNRA/atigun survey - then you answered #5 wrong.

just sayin...

[benEzra]

43. "Normal" is non-automatic, non-sound-suppressed Title 1 small arms under .51 caliber,

plus over-.50 shotguns and a few over-.50 hunting rifles, with ownership limited to mentally competent adults with clean records. That sums up what ordinary American citizens have owned for the past 50 to 100 years.

I strongly suspect that the guns you object to most strongly are those at the lower end of the power spectrum---centerfire .22's with modern styling, slow .30's, and 9mm pistols---which also happen to be some of the most popular civilian firearms in the United States, as if that mattered.

I think I'll keep mine, thanks. :hi:

[rl6214]

46. And their response will be

Thank you comrade.

[-..__...]

47. Let me give it a go...

1. Do you agree that the Second Amendment to our United States Constitution guarantees your individual right to own a gun and that the Second Aendment is just s important as you other Constitutional rights?

Yes

2. Do you think the government should keep records of the numbe and types of guns you own in a permanent database?

No

3. Do you think the government should have the power to limit the nuber of guns you can purchase?

No

4. Do you agree with politicians in Washington, D.C. who say that all gun owners shopuld be licensed and forced to register their guns with the government?

No

5. The United Nations is seeking to impose a Global Gun Ban Treaty affecting you and other American citizens. Do you oppose any threaty that strips the U.S. of its sovereignty and harshly regulates the rifles, shotguns and pistols you own?

Yes

6. Do you support the passage of Federal and state laws that would hold gun owners criminally responsible if their gun is used in a crime, even if the gun is stolen?

No

7. Do you agree with White House officials such as President Obama’s “regulatory czar,” Cass Sunstein, who want to ban hunting on public lands?

No

8. Do you support passage of “Castle Doctrine” laws that protect your right to sef-defense from violent hoe invaders and other criminals?

Yes

9. Do you think the Federal government has done enough to police our borders and keep the brutal Mexican drug cartels and other foreign criinals out of the U.S.?

No

10. Do you agree that the erosion of our basic American liberties is one of the biggest political issues facing our country today?

Yes... but the issue also involves the rest of the Constitution also.

11. Will you authorize NRA to use your survey answers to fight for your fundamental rights at the Federal level and in your state legislature?

Yes

12. Will you help fight for your freedom by joining NRA today?

Already a member and have been for quite a long time.

That was pretty easy... what do I win?

B-)

[krispos42]

52. When I'm in that kind of mood...

...I stuff the reply envelope full of expired coupons, losing lottery tickets, and those blow-in cards that litter magazines.

Recycle, baby!

[mvccd1000]

53. Someone has an issue with civil rights...

I hope the "USN" part of your handle doesn't stand for US Navy... part of the oath when I joined mentioned something about defending the constitution.

[HankyDubs]

54. OMG

And gungeoneers proudly announce that they are paying their NRA dues.

:wow:

I guess you get what you pay for.