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GRClarkesq Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 05:34 PM
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Carol Moseley Braun: Supporter of Gun Rights
Most of the Democratic candidates chose not to compete in this month's presidential primary in the District of Columbia (where Howard Dean narrowly beat Al Sharpton), but the campaign nonetheless featured a vigorous debate on Washington D.C.'s draconian restrictions on gun ownership. Before she withdrew from the presidential race, Carol Moseley Braun shocked a D.C. debate audience when she said she would sign a bill to repeal the District's gun ban. "I think under the Constitution people have the right to and should be able to have guns," she said. Her statement was cheered by Sandra Seegars of the city's Taxi Cab Commission, who has filed suit in federal court challenging the gun ban. She says banning guns only leaves law-abiding citizens defenseless in the face of armed criminals.

http://zonitics.blogspot.com/2004_01_01_zonitics_archive.html#107474106034160781
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 05:36 PM
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1. And How Far Has That Gotten Her????
Where are all the pro-gunners rushing to support her candidacy????

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??????
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 05:51 PM
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4. Just this:
Edited on Thu Jan-22-04 06:10 PM by RoeBear
http://www.politics1.com/braun.htm



For all to see:

POLITICAL: State Representative, 1979-87; Cook County Recorder of Deeds, 1988-92; US Senator, 1993-99 (elected in 1992; lost for re-election in 1998); Special Consultant, US Department of Education, 1999; US Ambassador to New Zealand, 1999-2001.

PROFESSIONAL: Attorney. Assistant US Attorney, 1973-77.

EDUCATION: B.A., University of Illinois, 1969. J.D., University of Chicago, 1972.


How are you doing in comparison?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 06:27 PM
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5. I don't recall a single post
from the RKBA crowd praising her, or even mentioning her...

According to this, she favors both the licensing of gun owners and the registration of handguns...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=32731
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1a2b3c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:34 PM
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8. I supported her from the start
I think she was the best candidate, its just too bad she is a black female.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:35 PM
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9. Huh?
"its just too bad she is a black female"
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:43 PM
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10. A more important question is..
where are all the pro gun control people and groups that claim they aren't against gun ownership, rather just want gun safety. What is going on in DC is called a ban, and if some anti gun groups and their followers weren't completely full of shit they would have supported CMB...but they didn't
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Bit-Cruncher Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:59 AM
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24. "And How Far Has That Gotten Her????"
So what? The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America. What's wrong with supporting the Constitution?

I can see the point on assault weapons, which are criminals weapon of choice, and the weapon of choice for children who can no longer get their thrill from their violent video games any more. And I see no problem with doing background checks during a mandatory waiting period for people attempting to purchase guns. That will weed out the criminals, and other such homocidal lunatics.

But as far as supporting gun rights ... I do too. I have a few, and am a very good shot too. I was on West Virginia's national championship rifle team. A team that got cut due because WVU needed to cut a men's sport in order to have the same number of men's and women's sports. So a team that won a national championship got cut.

If you want to outlaw something. Outlaw studidity. It should be a punishable offense.
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GRClarkesq Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 05:38 PM
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2. So sad. Too late now!
I dont think her views on gun rights have gotten much play.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 05:47 PM
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3. That's news to me
Consider these statements:

"The public, which overwhelmingly supports a ban on assault weapons, understands that we are talking about banning instruments of mass destruction and we are talking about being proactive, instead of reactive, in our approach to crime. These are guns that are designed exclusively to spray large groups of people with gunfire in a short period of time, guns that are designed not to fire precisely but to fire quickly. In other words, we are talking about guns that have no other purpose but to kill as many human beings as quickly as possible."
Floor Statement, November 9, 1993

I think the Congress has a responsibility -- in light of Article 2 of the Constitution, we have a responsibility to see to it that the safety of the American people, whether they live in Vermont or in Virginia or in Chicago, Illinois, that the safety of the people, and particularly with regard to children, is paramount in our decision- making.
Presidential Democratic Primary Debate, September 9, 2003

"I would never favor gun control measures which would take guns away from hunters. I feel very strongly about protecting the second amendment."
Floor Statement, November 9, 1993

______________________

When are people going to understand that the 2nd is not about hunting?
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 06:41 PM
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6. Too little, too late.
http://ww2.americansforgunsafety.com/31524155312.html

She says she supports the individuals right to own firearms; no big shocker there, 7 other (Al Sharpton didn't respond) Democrat candidates also support the individual right. (along with 75% of Americans).

Supports:

5 day waiting period.
Expanding the AWB to include other semi-automatic rifles (HR 2038).
Background checks for all transactions at gun shows.
Federal licensing of gun owners.
Federal registration of firearms.
Against S 659 (Protection of Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act).

Other than this recent turn-around in support of DC gun rights, the only other positive thing is that she is against HR 2946.

I would not support H.R. 2946 in it's present form as it has the potential to unfairly convict licensed firearms dealers who may not have any knowledge of a previous illegal transaction.
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funkyflathead Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 07:06 PM
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7. Maybe because she realizes the ban is a farce?
Maybe she has common sense??
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:00 PM
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11. No, that makes way too much sense
I've been going through her financial disclosures. She does own some mining stock. Mines produce metals. Guns are made of metal, mostly.

Must be the "corrupt gun industry" in action. Yeah, that must be it.
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 08:31 PM
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12. Just goes to show
that even a blind hog will find an acorn now and then.

(For those unfamiliar with the colloquialism - look it up.)
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:41 PM
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13. Bravo for Mrs Braun!
True liberals support all civil rights.

DC is a shit hole and allowing residents to defend themselves is the first step in pulling that city out of the deep dark hole that it has dug for itself.
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:43 PM
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14. Are You Saying....
...that those of us who advocate reasonable gun control measures are NOT "true liberals"???
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 09:56 PM
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15. Just as much as those who don't...
...support a woman's right to an abortion.

You do support that right...don't you?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:27 AM
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17. Let's see, what was that RKBA survey saying?
"Gun owners were considerably above the national level in their belief that abortion is manslaughter by a 59% to 31% margin. Non gun-owners were more evenly split on the question with 47% thinking abortion is manslaughter and 40% who felt it wasn’t manslaughter."

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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:37 AM
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19. Pro-choice (pro-freedom) on abortion is a litmus...
...test of the Democratic party, correct?

Pro-choice (pro-freedom) on gun ownership should be a litmus test for Democrats also.

"In fact, a "pro-life Democrat'' is almost viewed as an oxymoron, like jumbo shrimp or military intelligence."
http://www.cin.org/archives/cinjust/200008/0051.html
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:40 AM
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20. Gee, who's that wanting women arrested if they have an abortion?
According to the poll they think is such scalding hot shit, it's the RKBA crowd.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:56 AM
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21. Maybe some segment...
...but not this segment, right here, me.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:03 PM
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25. MrBenchley sees only groups, bunches, crowds, segments, etc.
The fact that he's surrounded by individual Democrats who are pro-gun, largely pro-choice, and non-racist seems to have no effect on him.
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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-04 10:22 PM
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16. I guess we have you on record now...
banning handguns = "reasonable gun control"
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 10:28 AM
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18. Next they'll put up a link to Newsmax
to prove it (snicker)...
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TyroneStryker Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:32 AM
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22. I say that
being against a civil right is anathema to liberalism.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 11:55 AM
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23. I say that
the bogus "gunn rights" crap that John AshKKKroft, Tom DeLay, Trent Lott, Orrrin Hatch, etc. are peddling is no more liberalism than it is mint-flavored.
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TyroneStryker Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-04 12:04 PM
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26. A-ha
I understand, your version of Liberalism is for the government to have all the power! Now I get it. Am I wrong? Remember, if the government has all the power, it can easily send undesirables to the furnace!
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