Grandma goes beserk. Shoots and kills three, then herself.

[sharesunited]

Women need guns for protection?

Lawful gun owners don't just snap?

She was a lawful gun owner right up until the moment she wasn't.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39338946/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[DrDan]

1. what a shame . . . more insane gun violence

[virginia mountainman]

2. I am reminded of a recent post by: RaleighNCDUer

Now, all we need is about 500 more such incidents and the odds of it happening will be roughly the same as being hit by lightning.

"The exception does not prove the rule - it only proves the exception."

[sharesunited]

4. Lightning is meteorological. Guns are sociopathological.

[rrneck]

9. Statistics can be used to compare them. nt

[Katya Mullethov]

17. When one converses with a sociopathic pistol ....

Would there be any tell tale signs of its affliction I should look for ? The gun pusher is a monster, as previously stated and wont say anything . There must be a few benchmarks one can use at gun shows and the occasional car trunk to avoid buying a crazy gun .

[cleanhippie]

25. The same can be said for irrational, inflammatory posters.

[merqz]

42. No, they aren't

Some people who use or misuse guns are sociopathological. Despite the claims of many about EVIL GUNZZZZ, guns are simply objects with no psychological profile, or moral standing.

[SteveM]

46. "Sociopathological" conditions are human. Guns are inanimate. nt

[rrneck]

3. You know about Google, right?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012980349_shooting24m.html
Family members said Chhouy Harm, a Cambodian immigrant in her 50s or 60s, was the family matriarch. But several relatives also said the woman was mentally ill and had been in and out of institutions or hospitals.

(snip)

Kevin Harm sometimes mentioned family problems, but never went into detail. He did say his grandmother had recently moved in with them and mentioned not wanting her there.

"I always knew something wrong was going on with his family, but didn't want to ask," Nguyen said.

Oh, wait, I forgot to editorialize. In the above quote, "I always knew something wrong was going on with his family, but didn't want to ask", you will note that others were aware of her mental problems but didn't do anything about it. They didn't try, for whatever reason, to help. That's why people seem to just "snap". It's because those around them either ignore the problems because they don't care or don't understand them or they may even think they will profit from them.

Intentionally wearing blinders to further our own ends or to avoid living up to our responsibilities isn't illegal, but it is criminal. It was a tragedy that that poor woman did what she did. It is a greater tragedy that those around her couldn't or wouldn't help her. They may have been too involved in their own lives to care or perhaps her troubles didn't fit into their ideology.

So why did you post this flaimbait? Do you not know, do you not care, or are you trying to profit by scoring some rhetorical point? I suspect the latter.

[sharesunited]

5. Did she have the right to keep and bear arms?

According to the current willful misinterpretation of the Second Amendment, I mean.

[X_Digger]

7. Not if she had been adjudicated mentally ill, no.

But I don't expect that fact to change your willful misinterpretation of the situation, either.

[rrneck]

8. Update to the above post.

She had a right to effective health care and compassion from those around her. And she also had a right to defend herself if need be. That right has nothing to do with her actions.

Or are you going try to blame the invisible mind rays emanating from the gun again?

[sharesunited]

14. Availability of the gun gave her the option of acting out with it.

Had she no gun, this outrageous story would not have happened.

It may not have even been her gun, per se.

It may have just been the household gun. The kind which Scalia envisions.

[shadowrider]

18. Had she no gun, this outrageous story would not have happened. (with a gun)

Alternative article:

Grandma grabbed a butcher knife in the middle of the night killing 3 before killing herself.

But death with a knife is less lethal than death by gun, I forgot.

[sharesunited]

21. Everyone was awake in this case. Now tell your knife version.

Anybody die?

[shadowrider]

22. REREAD it Shares "In the middle of the night"

See? It isn't hard.

[sharesunited]

23. The link I posted says "allegedly opened fire Thursday afternoon."

Was this misreported?

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[cleanhippie]

29. Which just shows that you care not for the facts, just hyperbole.

Fail, again.

[oneshooter]

36. To quote Your article, which I doubt you even read.

"The crime unfolded Thursday afternoon as officers responded to a report of gunshots at about 1:31 p.m. PST"

Seems that you fail to understand the difference in AM and PM.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[sharesunited]

45. Afternoon is 1:31 p.m.

Are you trying to swarm me with disinformation?

1:30 is afternoon. Everyone is awake and able to wrestle Grandma to the ground.

But no, Grandma is pinching off the trigger of a gun.

That is a kill no appeal situation.

Those who could be killed in their sleep are awake and dying in the presence of bullets piercing their skulls or vital organs or vital arteries thereby killing them.

Please explain what I am overlooking here?

[cleanhippie]

28. FAIL< FAIL< FAIL< FAIL!!!

Fail

[cleanhippie]

26. You do realize that you just contradicted yourself, again.

Fail. As usual.

[mvccd1000]

33. Like this one did?

From People Magazine, today, 9/24/10.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20427615,00.html

A 15-year-old California girl accused of participating in the stabbing death of her mother last year because of a dispute over the teen's boyfriend pleaded guilty to murder.

Luckily the woman was not shot to death, she was only stabbed to death. That one doesn't even make the radar of people like SU, because everyone knows that knives are nowhere near as evil as teh gunz.

[lawodevolution]

34. 500 killed in gun free Nigeria with....

Machetes (and a few guns).

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/09/world/africa/09nigeria.html

[rrneck]

47. Apparently,

you would prefer they marinade in their misery as long as nobody has a gun. As long as you don't hear about the result of living in misery, you're just fine with that. That's what happens you know. People rob, rape, and murder each other because others who are more concerned with creating a comfortable ideology than with actually helping people that need it.

To paraphrase the author of that splendid OP, keep on ignoring y'all.

[AtheistCrusader]

11. Probably not, given her mental health issues, landed her in some sort of facility more than once.

This happened not far from me.

Guess what?

Still not going to 'scare' me into thinking my guns are the problem.

[sharesunited]

15. More likely to scare you into thinking you need your guns.

Which is rather the point. Guns as a solution to guns. Self-fulfilling downward spiral.

[AtheistCrusader]

16. Well, since banning firearms will protect us from guns about as much as banning fire will protect us

from fires, I'll keep my guns and my fire extinguishers, thank you.

And my guns can be used to protect myself, and people I care about from other sorts of attack, unrelated to firearms. Fists, feet, arson, knives, bats, etc. You name it, any physical violence that comes my way, I am prepared to resist.

[merqz]

43. Is this the oft-referenced "need canard"

rearing its ugly head again.

[Callisto32]

41. Yeah, how dare a court actually enforce what a statute SAYS anyway?

[county worker]

6. Where's the usual cadre of concealed carry folks with the statistics that prove this doesn't happen?

[X_Digger]

10. Did you have fun stuffing that straw man all by yourself? n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

12. You think she had a concealed carry permit?

Why would you think that?

[virginia mountainman]

19. He made it up..

To better stuff his strawman..

[Glassunion]

13. Ha!

I'm sure you can point to one... Just one post from the "usual cadre" that state this never happens.

Also, what does this post have to do with concealed carry?

Also, take a long hard look at some of the other posts. Did she just snap, or did she have a history of mental illness?

[friendly_iconoclast]

31. Why don't you start up your googlebox and find us some examples of what you claim?

There's been, what, +/- 50 million posts at DU since it was founded? If it's been said here, go ahead and show us.

If someone really said this, you should be able to find a link.

I'll wager I can finish reading the complete archives of the New York Times before you'll find an example.

[oneshooter]

37. Please hold your replies untill you have a valid point.

We will wait for it.



No matter how long it takes. :rofl:


Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[shadowrider]

20. A woman with a history of mental illness is NOT a lawful gun owner Shares

since she would NOT have passed an NICS check.

UNREC for misleading information.

[friendly_iconoclast]

32. We *used* to have the Dream Team of gun control advocates posting here....

Nowadays, it's the Washington Generals....

[merqz]

44. It depends

on what that mental health history IS. Nobody I am aware of know if this woman was lawfully able to apply for, or actually had a WA state CCW. Merely having a "mental health history" does not make one ineligible. I have a friend, a firefighter who is bipolar and medicated. He has a CCW. He also has a "mental health history".

People are spewing without facts here.

[proteus_lives]

27. SU: We should all lose our rights! But he won't explain why.

Blah-blah-blah.

[friendly_iconoclast]

30. Nor does he ever mention Switzerland, a place with many guns and little violent crime.

I guess Swiss guns don't give off mind control rays....

[ManiacJoe]

35. Local version of the report:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012986698_shootiing25m.html

[Pavulon]

38. Not my FUCKING PROBLEM. I an RIGHT NOW Drinking a BEER. MMMM

if I sit in my house and responsibly drink its not your fucking business (just like my responsibly owned guns). If I get 10 deep and kill you at a stop sign with my car well you are just as dead as if I shot you. Personal decisions.

Get a sign with dead fetus picture and go picket the clinic, you are on parity with them now. 2 supreme court cases means objections to this right are pretty much fringe.

Enjoy your new company.

[cleanhippie]

39. Nice

On par with abortion protesters. Brilliant!

[Pavulon]

40. Or folks who dont let blacks or jews in their "clubs" Brown v Board was an issue for them

just like the 2 cases affirming the right to own and carry is a problem for some regressives around here.