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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 05:20 PM
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22 Times Less Safe? Anti-Gun Lobby's Favorite Spin re Attacks Guns In The Home
Is a firearm in your home "22 times more likely" to be used to kill or injure a family member than to be used for protection? Or "43 times more likely?" How about "18 times more likely?" Anti-gun groups and politicians say it is, citing research by Arthur L. Kellermann, M.D.

Dr. Kellermann's dubious conclusions provide anti-gunners propaganda they use to try to frighten Americans into voluntarily disposing of their guns—in essence, to do to themselves what the anti-gunners have been unable to do to them by legislative, regulatory, or judicial means.

Kellermann admits to the political goal of his work, saying "People should be strongly discouraged from keeping guns in their homes." ("Gun ownership as a risk factor for homicide in the home," New England Journal of Medicine, Oct. 1993.) Anti-gun groups have seized upon his most recent attempt in this regard, a "study" from which the bogus "22 times more likely" risk-benefit ratio is derived. ("Injuries and Deaths Due to Firearms in the Home," Journal of Trauma, Injury, Infection and Critical Care, Aug. 1998.) The study suffers numerous flaws common to previous Kellermann efforts, including the fact that it is a very small-scale survey of sample jurisdictions that are not representative of the country or even of one another.

Most significant, though, Kellermann severely understates defensive uses of guns, by counting only those in which criminals are killed or injured.

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=119
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 05:43 PM
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1. The "pro-gun in every drawer and pocket lobby" ain't exactly right either. n/t
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:18 PM
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17. Who or what lobby is that?
I have not heard of anyone that is "pro-gun in every drawer and pocket lobby". Can you elaborate?
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PavePusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 01:08 PM
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18. You'll have to learn to translate "hyperbole".
It's the only language this one speaks.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 05:46 PM
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2. The Prophet speaketh..
.. and lo his disciples, Hemenway et al sup at the table of the researcher who treats gunz like bacteria, being left behind on a doorknob or telephone receiver.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 06:57 PM
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3. A very sloppy report, typical of those who oppose RKBA ...
My daughter stopped an intruder breaking in our home by pointing a large caliber revolver at him. He fled.

Such incidents are ignored by Kellermann. My daughter would have had to shoot the intruder for Kellermann to count the incident.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 07:20 PM
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5. In fairness
Kellerman could have added all the times that a gun was used by a family member to intimidate and terrorize another family member just as you want him to count all the times a gun was used to scare off an actual criminal in or around the home.

While I am not aware of this particular professional journal that published this study, I would assume it is peer reviewed. If that is the case, those on this thread that off-handedly dismiss Kellerman's work should provide specific evidence that his methods and conclusions are in error.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:16 PM
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6. O.K. I'll provide some criticism ....
some of which is directed at his previous work which was seriously flawed. With his record, I find it hard to believe any report he produces.


In a New England Journal of Medicine article, Kellermann found that people who keep a gun at home increase their risk of homicide.<53> Florida State University professor Gary Kleck disagrees with the journal authors' interpretation of the evidence and he argues that there is no evidence that the guns involved in the home homicides studied by Kellermann, et al. were kept in the victim's home.<65> Similarly, Dave Kopel, writing in National Review, criticized Kellermann's study.<70> Researchers John Lott, Gary Kleck and many others still dispute Kellermann's work.<71><72><73><74> Kleck agrees only with Kellermann's finding that contrary to widespread perception, the overall frequency of homicide in the home by an invading stranger is much less than that of domestic violence. Kellerman's work has also being severely criticized because he ignores factors such as guns being used to protect property, save lives and deter crime without killing the criminal—which, Kleck and others argue, accounts for the large majority of defensive gun uses.<55><75><76> Kellermann responded to similar criticisms of the data behind his study in a letter to the New England Journal of Medicine<77> Finally, another argument cited by academics researching gun violence points to the positive correlation between guns in the home and an already violent neighborhood. Lott's results suggest that only allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed firearms, deters crime because potential criminals do not know who may or may not be carrying a firearm. The possibility of getting shot by an armed victim is a substantial deterrent to crime and prevents not only petty crime but physical confrontation as well from criminals who do not possess the means to match an increase in force. Lott's data comes from the FBI's massive crime statistics from all 3,054 US counties.<78> Other scholars, such as Gary Kleck, support Lott's findings, but take a slightly different tack. While criticizing Lott's theories as (paradoxically) overemphasizing the threat to the average American from armed crime and therefore the need for armed defense, Kleck's work speaks towards similar support for firearm rights by showing that the number of Americans who report incidents where their guns averted a threat vastly outnumber those who report being the victim of a firearm-related crime.<79> Others have pointed out that the beneficial effects of firearms, not only in self-protection, deterring crime and protecting property, but also in preserving freedom, have not been properly studied by public health researchers.<47><48>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_arguments_of_gun_politics_in_the_United_States



* Myth #6 "A homeowner is 43 times as likely to be killed or kill a family member as an intruder"

To suggest that science has proven that defending oneself or one's family with a gun is dangerous, gun prohibitionists repeat Dr. Kellermann's long discredited claim: "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder." <17> This fallacy , fabricated using tax dollars, is one of the most misused slogans of the anti-self-defense lobby.

The honest measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected not Kellermann's burglar or rapist body count. Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator. <3> Any study, such as Kellermann' "43 times" fallacy, that only counts bodies will expectedly underestimate the benefits of gun a thousand fold. Think for a minute. Would anyone suggest that the only measure of the benefit of law enforcement is the number of people killed by police? Of course not. The honest measure of the benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved by deaths and injuries averted, and the property protected. 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun. <2>

Kellermann recently downgraded his estimate to "2.7 times," <18> but he persisted in discredited methodology. He used a method that cannot distinguish between "cause" and "effect." His method would be like finding more diet drinks in the refrigerators of fat people and then concluding that diet drinks "cause" obesity.

[]Also, he studied groups with high rates of violent criminality, alcoholism, drug addiction, abject poverty, and domestic abuse . From such a poor and violent study group he attempted to generalize his findings to normal homes. Interestingly, when Dr. Kellermann was interviewed he stated that, if his wife were attacked, he would want her to have a gun for protection.<19> Apparently, Dr. Kellermann doesn't even believe his own studies. emphasis added
http://www.rense.com/general32/nine.htm



Serious Flaws in Kellerman, et al (1993) NEJM

(December, 1993)
by Henry E. Schaffer, Ph. D.

Summary and Overview

The Kellerman, et al (1993) study in the NEJM attempts to use the case-control method (CCM) to show that gun ownership increases homicide in the home. The limitations of the CCM, and serious flaws in the study methodology, result in invalidation of the study's conclusions.

The CCM has a number of limitations in what it can accomplish, and has a number of conditions (assumptions) which must be satisfied for it to be able to satisfactorily accomplish even the limited goals for which it is suitable. The biggest limitation is that the CCM can't demonstrate causation. The CCM finds 'associations' between studied factors and the 'outcome' which defines the 'cases'. These 'associations' may suggest that there is a causal relationship, and may then be used to justify a study of causal relationships, but it is incorrect to jump from the discovery of an association to a conclusion of causation. Other weak points in the CCM have to do with susceptibility to biases in the selection of the cases, and with confounding factors which can affect the choice of the controls. These can easily lead to spurious associations when there actually are none, or to associations which are reversed in direction from what actually exists.

The Kellerman, et al (1993) study has been widely quoted as demonstrating that there is a causal relationship between handguns in the home and homicides. The paper itself doesn't go that far, but it uses suggestive language, which suggests that there is more than merely an 'association'. The flaws in the paper are such as to make the the reader suspicious of the association found. Showing flaws in the methods does not prove that the paper is wrong, but it causes a loss of confidence in the results. Conclusions which are not properly supported must be considered invalid until proper support becomes available, if ever. It is the responsibility of the authors to support their conclusions. It isn't the responsibility of the readers to go out to collect data to prove that the flaws in the paper lead to incorrect conclusions.

The detailed treatment of these flaws, with supporting data, examples and methods is necessarily quite long, but it does illustrate that the Kellerman, et al paper is based on unsupported assumptions and that the conclusions must be viewed with suspicion or rejected as being unsupported.
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kellerman-schaffer.html



Kellerman took homicide data from three different counties from August 1987 to August 1992. These counties surrounded Seattle (co-author and medical examiner, Donald Reay"s jurisdiction), Memphis and Cleveland. He then investigated each homicide case to see what lifestyle factors it had (drug-use, renting/owning). The proper thing to do would have been to use a random sample of people who may, or may not have been involved in a homicide. Having found the "case", Kellerman now finds a "control" nearby who supposedly shared the demographics but did not have a homicide in the household.

Here is where everything goes to hell in a handbasket. First, Kellerman was only able to get 388 valid cases out of 1860 official reports but only 316 matched controls. Such a small sample is prone to wide statistical variations absent an agenda such as Kellerman et al. It would be interesting to see why, exactly, Kellerman decided to drop so many cases from the study--but none of the analyses that I have read were writtenread were written after 1996. Again, homicides whether lawful or not are included along with suicides. And even "police" was listed as a category in the "Offender" column.

What Kellerman found was that in the homicide homes, 71% of the victims had high rates of criminal activity which agrees with other studies which find that 75% of murderers and 75% of cop killers are adults with long felony histories.. Hardly something that would compare to the rest of America. No, the gun didn't do it. The nature of the criminal did. Criminals killing criminals.

The study never made an effort to decide whether the person being killed was an intruder --OR--whether the gun which may or may not have been present was actually used. And since Kellerman's study shows that 71% of the homicide victims were killed by people whose relationship to the victim indicates that the killer did not live in the victim's house--and presumably brought his own weapon, if any, with him. All Kellerman asked was, "In this household where a homicide was committed, was there a gun, any gun, in the house?" Nothing more.

It turns out that the cases did not quite match up with the controls. While the cases had an overwhelming violent history of crime, assault, drug abuse and, drug abuse and domestic violence (real stuff, notthe pushy- shovey type) the controls background check consisted of, "Were you ever arrested?" Well, I have been arrested--failure to appear in court for not licensing my dog. Not the same stuff. Also, nothing was asked of convictions or seriousness of the crime.
http://home.comcast.net/~dsmjd/tux/dsmjd/rkba/kellerman.htm



The Fallacy of “43 to 1”
The all-time favorite statistic of the gun-prohibition lobby.


Perhaps the most enduring factoid of the gun prohibition movement is that a person with a gun in the home is 43 times as likely to shoot someone in the family as to shoot a criminal. This "43 times" figure is the all-time favorite factoid of the gun-prohibition lobby. It's not really true, but it does tell us a lot about the gun-prohibition mindset.

The source of the 43-to-1 ratio is a study of firearm deaths in Seattle homes, conducted by doctors Arthur L. Kellermann and Donald T. Reay ("Protection or Peril?: An Analysis of Firearm-Related Deaths in the Home," New England Journal of Medicine, 1986). Kellerman and Reay totaled up the numbers of firearms murders, suicides, and fatal accidents, and then compared that number to the number of firearm deaths that were classified as justifiable homicides. The ratio of murder, suicide, and accidental death to the justifiable homicides was 43 to 1.

***snip***

In short, the 43-to-1 figure is based on the totally implausible assumption that all the people who die in gun suicides and gun accidents would not kill themselves with something else if guns were unavailable. The figure is also based on a drastic undercount of the number of lawful self-defense homicides.

Moreover, counting dead criminals to measure the efficacy of civilian handgun ownership is ridiculous. Do we measure the efficacy of our police forces by counting how many people the police lawfully kill every year? The benefits of the police — and of home handgun ownership — are not measured by the number of dead criminals, but by the number of crimes prevented. Simplistic counting of corpses tells us nothing about the real safety value of gun ownership for protection.

Finally, Kellermann and Reay ignore the most important factor of all in assessing the risks of gun ownership: whose home the gun is in. You don't need a medical researcher to tell you that guns can be misused when in the homes of persons with mental illness related to violence; or in the homes of persons prone to self-destructive, reckless behavior; or in the homes of persons with arrest records for violent felonies; or in the homes where the police have had to intervene to deal with domestic violence. These are the homes from which the vast majority of handgun fatalities come.
http://old.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel013101.shtml


This study has been discussed before on DU...
ttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x261656


Absolute risk

Before examining the weaknesses of Kellermann's study, for argument's sake, let's assume the 2.7 odds ratio is a reasonable estimate of the risk associated with a gun and homicide in the home. But, what is the absolute risk of this association? (For a basic primer on absolute and relative risk, and why critical readers should be alert to the distinction, see www.acponline.org/journals/ecp/janfeb00/primer.htm.)

Even if (and that's a big if), Kellermann's estimate is in the ballpark, a very conservative estimate of the actual homicide risk to each household member being killed per year, where no family member has a criminal record, is in the range of three-eighths of one-thousandth of 1 percent to three-quarters of one-thousandth of 1 percent (.000375 - .00075 percent). Over a forty year period that risk translates to between one-and-one-half hundredths to three one-hundredths of 1 percent of homicide risk for each family member (.015 - .03 percent). (See Calculation Derivations below.)

These absolute risk estimates can be reduced further by two more factors. Kellermann found gun homicide risk is 4.8 times greater with a gun kept in the home (p. 1089). "Homicide by other means was not significantly linked to the presence or absence of a gun in the home" (p. 1087). So, although we've already taken into account homicides where there was a gun in the home, the estimates have not been reduced by those who were killed by guns only. That lowers the absolute risk by 30 percent. (Roughly 70 percent of homicides involve a firearm according to FBI Uniform Crime Reports. GunCite's analysis of Kellermann's data found only 61 percent of these homicides involved a firearm after considering the factors already taken into account.) The other factor is – "Gun ownership was most strongly associated with homicide at the hands of a family member or intimate acquaintance (addjusted odds ratio, 7.8 ...). Guns were not significantly linked to an increased risk of homicide by acquaintances, unidentified intruders or strangers" (p.1087). 48% of the matched cases were murdered by a family member or intimate (again after considering the factors already taken into account). (50% is used in the calculation that follows.)

Applying the above two factors lowers the annual risk range to .000131 - .000262 percent and the 40 year range to .00525 - .0105 percent.

These estimates could be reduced yet again if we factor in previous violence and illicit drug use since Kellermann's dataset contains that information, but hopefully the reader already gets the point, and these unaccounted factors will be discussed below in other contexts. Regardless, we can see the risk of a gun in the home being used to kill a resident in an arrest-free home is quite small.
http://www.guncite.com/gun-control-kellermann-3times.html


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Glassunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 09:07 PM
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10. Anecdotal at best.
Come on, gimme one good example.

*snort* :sarcasm:
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:07 PM
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11. X-Digger saved me some time in post #8 ...
check out his links.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:55 PM
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8. We have critiqued Kellerman et al. repeatedly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=334436&mesg_id=334436

Not sure if you're aware, but Kellerman refused to release his data for over five years. Other researchers 'reviewed' the study sans data. The journal still published the study.
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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:09 PM
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12. Thanks. Good link. Saved me time and effort. (n/t)
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 11:39 PM
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14. I wish we could vote for stickies..
.. benEzra's 'gun terms' would be at the top of my list of posts that should be at the top, then a bunch of Euromutt's obliterating Kellerman, and another with links to stats (FBI's UCR, WISQARS, TX & FL's CHL reports)..

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spin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-10 12:51 AM
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15. That's a great idea. It would be useful when replying to ...
those who are not familiar with firearms or the issues involved in gun control. It definitely would save a lot of typing.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:11 PM
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13. Allow me to correct your assumptions
By quoting a blog post by Amy Tuteur, MD on the subject of "Science by Press Release" (http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=3813):
Moreover, journalists appear to suffer from a misunderstanding of the scientific literature. Publication of a scientific paper is not the end of a process confirming the truth of a paper; it is only the beginning. Publication does not mean that the findings should be accepted uncritically; it merely means that the findings are worthy of being included in the ongoing public discussion that characterizes science. The findings of the paper may ultimately be deemed worthless or wrong.

And indeed, five years ago, John Ioannidis had two papers published that caused a bit of a stir: "Contradicted and Initially Stronger Effects in Highly Cited Clinical Research" in JAMA (http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/294/2/218) and "Why Most Published Research Findings Are False" in PLoS (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/?tool=pubmed).

The fact is that there is no shortage of studies that manage to get published in peer-reviewed journals despite the conclusions not being supported by the data, though it's rarely quite a blatant as with Kellermann.

Nevertheless, I can give you one example of a flaw in Kellermann's 1993 NEJM study: in the case of assaultive shootings, he didn't bother to determine whether the firearm used was one that was actually kept in the household in question. To get to his conclusions, you'd have to assume that every assaultive shooting was committed using a firearm kept in the victim's household (as opposed to being brought into the household by the shooter).
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divideandconquer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 07:05 PM
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4. What about all the offensive use of guns that don't generate police reports?
Works both ways.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:59 PM
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9. That's where the NCVS comes in.. it measures both.. and your side still loses. n/t
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Hoopla Phil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:24 PM
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7. Kellermann is such a discredited hack. If he says the sky is blue, you should look up and verify.
just sayen.
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tourivers83 Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 12:34 AM
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16. Only Hope was left within Pandora's box. Evil exists in the world.
It makes little difference what studies show or don’t show. In fact it makes no difference at all. I hate the fact that I feel I must have a firearm on the bedside table when I go to bed. I hate that fact that people all over this country feel that they need a firearm when they leave home. But that is the way it is and it is not going to change. Fear is the mind killer and this fear will only worsen. No power on this earth will cause Americans to disarm themselves now.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 04:55 PM
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19. If you don't like having a gun, then you don't need to own one.
Edited on Thu Sep-09-10 04:56 PM by TheWraith
But you do need to turn off the TV that's convinced you to be terrified all the time. Violent crime rates are at near 40 year lows in this country. Yes, there are some places, primarily big cities, where the violence is pretty bad. I don't know if you live in one of those places. And you, being a gay woman, are probably at higher risk for being targeted by an attacker than some random person on the street. But please, do yourself the favor of assessing your threat level yourself--don't let the TV news and the perception that the world is more dangerous do it for you, because it's just not true.
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tourivers83 Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 12:02 AM
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20. Thank you, that was a beautiful post.
No, no big city but Amanda and I live alone in a big secluded house in a conservative rural area with a lot of transient people due to farming. 911 response would be 15 to 20 minutes away and a lot of people don’t like the idea of a suspected gay woman living in so called “sin” with a local girl. It’s also suspected I have what’s called “money.” It’s beautiful here and I love it but I guess I do get a little paranoid sometimes.
:pals:
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:47 PM
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21. I have had firearms at-the-ready for over 50 years...
for self-defense purposes (and keep others for hunting). I have not suffered from undue stress, paranoia, "life in fear" syndrom, restless leg syndrom, or terminal flatulence. All is well.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-10 04:36 PM
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22. "22 times less Safe" sounds like an old T.V. ad for antacid. nt
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